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kaptanoblivious
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Another first time grow
#19304576 - 12/20/13 07:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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My first post on here. This is yet another first timer grower looking for feedback and advice. I lurked for about a month before starting anything, then ordered some syringes from a popular non-sponsor vendor. I just want to grow for personal consumption, maybe two times a year or so. Also of note, I like to experiment for no reason other than it makes this more fun.
I started off with some Cambodian cube spore syringes, and inoculated a custom liquid culture in a re-purposed salsa jar. I didn't have potatoes, so I boiled up some oatmeal, took off ~half a cup of the liquid to use, added more water, and corn syrup to ~3-4% final. I also PC'd all jars used here appropriately (I think). This is one week of growth with 1cc of Cam spore syringe:

I also made a (similar formula) Agar streak plate, and stuck it in the fridge after 4 days for later isolations, if I am feeling ambitious. I think I need to do a better job with this.

I used this liquid culture to inoculate some 1 pint jars of slightly modified BRF cakes. I definitely didn't break up the myc in the LC very well before I injected 15cc into each jar, but I think I learned my lesson. My recipe was:
• 0.25 cup Gypsum • 1 cup Spent coffee grounds • 0.5 cup Flax meal • 5 cup Brown rice flour • 10 cup Vermiculite • 5 cup Water (add slowly, make sure its not too wet)
I didn't mix them that well I guess, some of the whiter parts are flour, and darker parts are coffee... and this is how they look after 4 days of growth at ~27C.
 
I used the self-healing injection port tek extensively for everything, and some micropore sort of surgical tape.

I also wanted to use up some things that have been sitting around unused in my kitchen, so I inoculated 1 cleaned out pickle and 1 salsa jar with a custom spawn recipe consisting of quinoa, flax meal, psyllium husk, and vermiculite. This was just for kicks. This is those jars 4 days later.. I may have added too much water, as these jars seem a bit too wet.

And that's about it for now. I'm not sure where I am going next, likely going to spawn them to a standard coir/verm/gypsum monotub if everything goes alright! I expected a high jar failure rate, since this is my first time, but everything is going OK so far as I can tell. Is this too many jars for one tub? Any advice or comments welcome.
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No thats about five qts, and 2/3s of those jars are verm
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Pretty ambitious! I hope you will update this thread as I am interested in seeing how everything turns out for you.
What did you do with the lids of the repurposed jars? I am also using some washed out pasta sauce jars with RTV and tyvek filters.
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kratom_redmomd said: What did you do with the lids of the repurposed jars?

For the salsa-jar LC I just used a single RTV injection port, no gas exchange at all.
For the weird spawn jar creations, I did the same as the picture, 4 RTV injection ports and a gas exchange micropore tape hole in the middle. Hopefully nothing blows up.
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kaptanoblivious said: For the salsa-jar LC I just used a single RTV injection port, no gas exchange at all.
For the weird spawn jar creations, I did the same as the picture, 4 RTV injection ports and a gas exchange micropore tape hole in the middle. Hopefully nothing blows up.
Right on. Sending good vibes your way!
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Looking good man! 
You definitely dove in head first with the LC and agar work. Plus with the custom substrate mixture. If it all works out then congrats! I experimented with my first too but not to the extent you did. Your mix seems a lot darker then mine did but I am thinking that is maybe because of the coffee grounds.
I'm also curious about something. Why use the LC first when you could shoot them up from a sterilized syringe that you know is free of any contam? It seems like the more processes you add the more chance for contam. I understand the LC to get more from your syringe and make it last longer but I don't know.
I will be watching your progress, I'm interested to see how everything turns out.
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SgtPepperNo9 said: I'm also curious about something. Why use the LC first when you could shoot them up from a sterilized syringe that you know is free of any contam? It seems like the more processes you add the more chance for contam. I understand the LC to get more from your syringe and make it last longer but I don't know.
I have a few syringes, but yeah, everything I have I only used 1cc of one syringe, so it was to stretch it out... I guess I wasn't thinking about my chances of contamination. I am pretty confident with sterile technique, so I maybe foolishly assumed the added risk was minimal. Will definitely consider this in the future.
Another weird thing, I had gotten another strain from the same vendor, and tried to make an LC and an agar plate with that one too, but no growth yet after 11 days.
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This first grow > my first grow. So much more advanced. I'm familiar with liquid cultures but not with agar. But I kept it simple as hell and had great success. Hope yours turns out even better (as it should)!
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Re: Another first time grow [Re: jsad316]
#19304951 - 12/20/13 08:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'd let that plate do some growing
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Re: Another first time grow [Re: cronicr]
#19305060 - 12/20/13 08:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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cronicr said: I'd let that plate do some growing
I was hoping to use it to pick some clonal isolates to make agar slants. If I let it grow longer, won't the colonies grow together? Maybe I should read up on getting isolates, I made a few assumptions here.
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Oh k i see, if u got plates do it now to keep busy
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kaptanoblivious said: I was hoping to use it to pick some clonal isolates to make agar slants. If I let it grow longer, won't the colonies grow together? Maybe I should read up on getting isolates, I made a few assumptions here.
Pretty impressive talk going on in here for 1st grow. Do you have a background in biology or something related to science? I'm excited for you!
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Yes I have a biology background --- but fungus is usually contamination for me
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That's what it seemed like. I am about to order up some agar myself. I was pretty interested in micro when I took a couple classes on it. The labs were really fun for me and I did well in them because of that. I rediscovered that interest in this hobby. I wish I had been into it back then, full walk in incubators, warm/cold rooms, bunsnen burners, microscopes, unlimited agar and petri dishes. We kind of had the freedom to do what we wanted to and check on them outside of class. Grow random stuff just to make slides, stain them and check them out.
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Re: Another first time grow [Re: vikingsc]
#19306201 - 12/21/13 02:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Awesome job on your first LC!
You put 15cc into EACH JAR? Or spread out through all your jars?
That is not micropore tape. That is biopore or something like that. It will say inside the roll of the tape. May or may not work, IDK.
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Re: Another first time grow [Re: crackacola]
#19306255 - 12/21/13 03:23 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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yeah, I put 15cc into each jar. I thought that I saw on another thread someone put 10cc of LC per smaller jar... idk I just picked an amount that used most of my LC. too much? 
I think you are right about the tape... it does not explicitly say micropore on it... good eye. It is a cloth-type surgical tape. well, part of the learning process I guess. There's a thin dry verm layer at least, so I'll see how it plays out. Not sure there is FAE now though.
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Its 1cc per jar
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Re: Another first time grow [Re: cronicr]
#19306266 - 12/21/13 03:30 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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So is using way too much LC going to hurt my jars? Or did I just waste a bunch of LC, which doesn't bother me too much.
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Time will tell but its working....
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Re: Another first time grow [Re: cronicr]
#19307519 - 12/21/13 11:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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15cc is definitely a little excessive. It could possibly ruin the moisture content. If the LC in the syringe was mostly solid mycelium and very little liquid you can get away with using a fair bit. You still wouldn't usually go above a cc or 2 per injection point, but it seems to be working so far. I'd replace that tape with micropore tape and get your gas exchange moving a bit.
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Re: Another first time grow [Re: vikingsc]
#19307662 - 12/21/13 11:54 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Will do, thank you guys! Its amazing how much you can try to prepare, and still mess up so many little things. I will keep you everything updated with progress over the next few weeks.
Is it bad manners to only post on my own stuff at first? I feel like I should have some experience before commenting on others' work...
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Or does it colonize retarded fast?
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nahh, it's all good.
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kaptanoblivious said: Will do, thank you guys! Its amazing how much you can try to prepare, and still mess up so many little things. I will keep you everything updated with progress over the next few weeks.
Is it bad manners to only post on my own stuff at first? I feel like I should have some experience before commenting on others' work...
No comment away its a great way to learn, worse comes to worse n u say something wrong someone will correct u just dont take it personelly
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Re: Another first time grow [Re: cronicr]
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I like Chowster's avatar. That's a cool pic
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Re: Another first time grow [Re: vikingsc]
#19308454 - 12/21/13 03:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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So I found the cloth tape that I used, and it is heavy duty and "breathable". I think that's why I thought: meh, close enough, when I originally started. I think the risk of replacing it isn't worth possibly contaminating everything, so I will keep it as is, unless the jars stall.
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If you have a dry verm layer, which it looks like you do, it's not much of a risk to take the tape off and replace. Lot's of people don't even use micropore tape and only depend on the dry verm layer as a filter for airborne contams.
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Re: Another first time grow [Re: vikingsc]
#19308500 - 12/21/13 03:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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From the pic it just looks like it might be a little bit too heavy duty and restrict gas exchange more than micropore tape would. But of course it's up to you.
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Re: Another first time grow [Re: vikingsc]
#19312085 - 12/22/13 02:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Okay time for a mini update, this is Day 6 since I injected the LC.
I took the advice and bought some micropore tape and replaced everything. It was a good thing I did because the tape I had on there seemed hardened by the pressure cooking, and didn't seem like it was letting any air through. I went to three different stores before I realized I had been staring at micropore tape at least once before...

So I had a question about some of my jars... 2-3 of them seem to be not doing as well as the others. I posted a comparison of a "good" jar below one of the "bad" ones. Bonus micropore tape.

Closeup of the "bad" jar:
 
Closeup of the "good" jar:

So it seems like in these "bad" jars that parts of the mycellium is more of a washed out gray color due to much more sparse growth. It started out similar to this in my other jars, before becoming brighter white and looking healthy, but these 2-3 jars seem to be stuck like this. I'm not sure if some sort of cobweb-type mold contamination or just poor growth due to little gas escape. It's hard to take good pics on a bad camera, but I can see some strandy, rhizomorphic-like growth in these bad areas. All were from one LC, so if there is contamination I would expect it to be uniform.
On another note, my weird quinoa mix jars are doing just dandy so far

all in all not too bad, with 9-10 1 pint jars doing well, and 2-3 not so well. My two bigger ~quart quinoa mix jars are also doing quite well.
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mycelium has a hard time colonizing saturated substrates...
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Re: Another first time grow [Re: cronicr]
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Yeah I guess I erred on the wet side of things when I was setting up the jars, then I dumped a crapload of LC into each jar. Is there anything I could do at this point? I could throw some of the jars somewhere with very low humidity, if that'll do anything.
Thank you again for the rapid advice cronicr.
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just wait it out, it may have a hard time and take a little longer but there's not much you can do about it at this point
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Re: Another first time grow [Re: cronicr]
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haha. I'm laughing so hard at the 15cc per jar. I was hoping that was a typo. Those things are loooooged. lol. If you do end up with a lot of free standing water on the bottom of those jars, flip them over. It'll work its way into the bottom of the dry verm and then DO NOT flip them back over until they're fully colonized. That's about the only time you should ever flip your jars over. I'm honestly surprised they're doing as well as they are.
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Re: Another first time grow [Re: crackacola]
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well on the plus side maybe I don't need to dunk them now?
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Well the straggling jars are catching up and its day 8 with ~50-80% colonization in the 12 brf jars, and the mycelium is very aggressively invading the 'dry' verm layer... Much more aggressively than in the rest of the jar... I'd say the moisture problem is real, ha. Progress is likely a result of the huge amount of LC used. Everything has been sitting by a heater vent which fluctuates between 67-80F. And there is no pooling at the bottom of any jars... I didn't eff them up that bad 
No contams yet
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Sounds like you'll be ok. Keep your fingers crossed that the excess water in the dry verm layer doesn't pick up any contams. Inspect closely when you birth them.
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Re: Another first time grow [Re: cronicr]
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Another update
My agar work has been going great, and I have 4 clean isolates from my spore syringes for each Z strain and Cambodian. I also have a clean multispore LC for both of these. I got some nice quart jars and WBS so I will be switching to this method for future endeavors.
On to the main point.. my BRF pint jars were pretty slow going after the initial burst of growth from the LC, but they were fully colonized about a week ago. Today I birthed them and started the dunk before I use these as spawn for coir/verm. I was worried I wouldn't know what a mushroom smell meant... but they all smelled wonderfully like store bought mushrooms.
Out of curiosity I broke one open, and the core was not colonized... So I broke them all open and the same thing for almost all of them. I washed out the uncolonized BRF substrate and now am dunking all of my halves.
Is there anything that can be done to minimize contamination issues at this point? There is a bunch of junk floating in the water so I might change the dunking water soon.
I am constructing my monotub tonight so I will have that to keep me busy at least. Sorry for no pictures at this point, I will update with pictures when there is something more exciting going on.
Edit: I finished the Damion5050 tek without too many problems. I spawned all 12 BRF pint jars to one monotub using the tek recipe. The only way I deviated is by warming up the bucket and coir/verm to ~150F before dumping the boiling water in. Once this either looks fully colonized or contaminates or whatever, I will update with some pictures. I'm hoping to get one flush out of this.
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Another update and looking for some advice on starting up a second grow.
I currently have: 2 MS Liquid cultures (Cambodian and Z-strain, ~500mL) 10 agar isolates from spores (4 cambodian, 4 Z-strain, 2 gulf coast)
I would like to step up my last effort, since my pint BRF cakes from LC were an ill-advised venture, due to the jar size and moisture content problems. They did grow, and I spawned them to coco/verm monotub 1-2 days ago, but it was not ideal and I'm worried about contamination since some of the jars weren't colonized in the center.
To that end, I now have some good WBS and 15 quart jars and want to do 2 monotubs for next time.
My question here is, which is best to continue with? I have since realized that LCs turn a lot of experienced growers off for good reason. I have these isolates on agar, but how do I know how good they are without doing a grow and testing them? Should I do one BRF cake with each isolate to see which is best? Just pick one and do agar wedges to WBS jars?
Some pictures, sorry about the quality guys.
Some cambodian and z-strain isolates on agar:

An interesting difference in myc between dextrose agar and sabouraud agar:
 These are the same isolate, same conditions. I was just testing recipes at this point. The SBA agar isolates grew much thicker (grew high above the agar) but expanded slower.
I isolated by dropping spore solution on plates and streaking out:
 These is from 2cc of a gulf coast syringe, with very few viable spores. My first plate of 1 drop of spores produced nothing. This is probably why my LC of this was a failure.
My current monotub on day 1 of colonizing:

 This was mostly based on Damion5050's tek.
End of update. Any input on where you would go next appreciated.
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Okay, so after reading through old threads for a few hours, my plan moving forward is to use my Z-strain culture to noc up the quart jars of WBS. I will also use my pint jars half-filled for BRF cakes to test a dozen isolates. I will keep updating in this thread with my mobotub progress, along with the start of my next projects.
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agar wedge to cakes with proper filters are best suited for iso tests
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Great job.. You took off flying for your first grow
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4 days after putting spawn to bulk. I may have left the crumbled cakes a little too chunky, but It's Alive...

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Re: Another first time grow [Re: cronicr]
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Edit: just saw your blacked out text.
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Re: Another first time grow [Re: cronicr]
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Just got done with setting up the next round of jars. Man this can be a lot of work! Made everything with wild bird seed following Franks tek.
8 WBS quart jars of Z strain (multispore LC) 7 WBS quart jars of Cambodian (multispore LC) 12 WBS pint jars of various Z strain, Cambodian, and Gulf Coast isolates (agar wedges)
I had planned on using the pint jars for BRF cakes, but I made way too much WBS that I didn't want to waste. I'm not sure exactly what I'm going to do since I have heard that WBS cakes aren't the best. I think I will try to separate each isolate in coir/verm trays in a monotub or two.
I also just put my first monotub into fruiting, since it has been fully colonized for a day or two. I don't see any contaminates, but it didn't exactly smell right when I briefly opened it for adjusting the polyfill . Not that I have experience with what it should smell like.
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should smell like mushrooms, snap a pic and fruit it already
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Re: Another first time grow [Re: cronicr]
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Re: Another first time grow [Re: cronicr]
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cronicr said: should smell like mushrooms, snap a pic and fruit it already;)
OK OK here is a picture of my first crappy monotub attempt. I'm guessing its either contammed to hell or I jumped the gun with starting FAE before that last little bit was colonized. Do you give a damn yet? 


This first time was more a learning experience anyway, I'd be surprised if I get any fruits from this thing.
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You did jump the gun just a little bit but you should still definitely get some fruits off it. Coirs pretty contam resistant compared to most subs so you'll fare a little better with it too.
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Re: Another first time grow [Re: mushmagic]
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Thanks for the input mushmagic. The tub is continuing to finish colonizing, even though I gave it FAE too soon. Hopefully I can get a first flush out of it. I'm thinking the weird smell is because I cleaned the inside of the tub out with vinegar right before adding everything.
I probably should have rinsed that off with something.
Is it normal to see droplets of water all over the inside of my monotub, and also some on top my the mycelium? I don't usually see monotubs on here that look like that. Does this mean my coir/verm was beyond field capacity? I did the squeeze test as recommended, and only a few drops of water came out. I did dunk my BRF cakes before I used them though
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No Prob, I actually thought you completely introduced it to fruiting but if you just opened it to snap a quick pic it should have no problem finishing colonizing anyway.
The water droplets on the side of tub is just condensation from the temp differential of the outside and inside of the tub. It's also normal for some water droplets to fall on top of the sub, no worries. If it's excessive pooling then you can dab it up with a paper towel when it comes time to initiate fruiting.
If only a few drops came out when squeezing then it should be at field capacity.
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Re: Another first time grow [Re: mushmagic]
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looks like trich to me
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Re: Another first time grow [Re: twistedty]
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you're right twisted i think its contaminated to some extent. There are no visible signs of anything but myc to my inexperienced eyes, but it smells kind of sweet. Since its my first time I'm going to let it go and see if I can get anything at all out of it. I'd like to practice taking a print, cloning from fruits, etc. Is this a terrible idea?
I assume this is a bacterial contamination carried over from my overly wet BRF cakes. They smelled only like mushies. Oh well, it was a first attempt.
at least all of my WBS jars are doing well for a second attempt. I think I will pasteurize properly next time before spawning to bulk too.
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Just an update on what these tubs look like. I saw another user posting similar looking tubs today, and others were saying they looked good, so this gives me more hope than I had.
Here are some update pictures

Its been about a week since I started FAE
There are a few yellow/tan spots, that I couldn't get a good picture of. Do these look happy?
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Re: Another first time grow [Re: cronicr]
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cronicr gave me a thumbs up
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I have a dumb question! Obviously genetics/environment play a big factor... but how many of the knots that form will go on to be pins? does more knotting = better pinset?
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yes lol, it depends on available moisture/genetics
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Re: Another first time grow [Re: cronicr]
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I have started to see my first pins this morning... maybe a dozen tiny clusters just starting to pop up, mostly around the edges of my tub. Thanks to everyone for the help! Its good to know you can mess up so much and still have some success. I'm getting a little nervous now since I have never tried mushies before :S

Edit: note to self, trash bag liner next time...
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Re: Another first time grow [Re: 1down5up]
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side pins. side pins everywhere...

Is this what the trash bag liner is to prevent? Is this a bad thing? I have maybe 100 side pins and only about 30 pins in the center of the monotub. This is all from a cambodian multispore LC, brf cakes spawned to coco/verm.
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yes thats what the liner is for and no it's not bad, can just be a pain in the ass to harvest
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Re: Another first time grow [Re: cronicr]
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More pictures of my first grow -- first flush growing with lots of side pins
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I forgot to update this after the first flush came in. No pictures sorry, but I got about 3Oz dry of fruits from this. Thanks cronicr and others for all the help. not too bad for a first attempt from badly made brf cakes to coir/verm mono.
Will start a new thread for my wbs jars
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Nice first grow... Only comment I got is if you lurked on shroomery for a month to find out how to grow, at least support a shroomery sponser on your spores syringes sense they actually support the shroomery.. Just a thought...
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Re: Another first time grow [Re: mycopanda]
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That's my bad I was reading old threads when I bought them and didn't realize that this particular vendor was no longer a sponsor
You're right I have gotten a lot out of this place, and should give back. I'll spring for a paid account for a few months when I get home
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At least they were good spores!
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Re: Another first time grow [Re: mycopanda]
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Congrats on the great haul man
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