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Jeeter
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My Seedlings are 2 years old. Happy Birthday...
#19304164 - 12/20/13 05:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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My San Pedros seem to be growing fast. But they appear to be skinny, and now they're beginning to tip over. Any ideas? Replant to a deeper level? Right now, all 6 reside in a 12x5 pot, my coir/perlite/cactus mix over river stones for drainage. Fertilize them with Alaskan Fish Fertilizer once a month. Water every other week. Light is 28watts flour 6500k. 12 on 12 off. Would greatly appreciate the help.
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modern.shaman
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Re: My Seedlings are 2 years old. Happy Birthday... [Re: Jeeter]
#19304282 - 12/20/13 06:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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You need stronger lights or real sunlight as they are elongated. You can either plant them deeper or top them so they pup thicker.
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intelligentlife
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Re: My Seedlings are 2 years old. Happy Birthday... [Re: Jeeter]
#19304288 - 12/20/13 06:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Seems your cactus plants want to get out and have some sun.. What kind of light setup you have?
Otherwise, nice..
I would start to introduce your plants to stronger light to get appearance you want. Add some nice nitrogen(but no overdose) fertilizing at spring when season starts and give slowly bigger amount of light cactus really love, sun. 
Seems you have exceed a time when you should have move your trichocereus plants to good light. They can be moved to occasional direct sun below 12months of age so they fattening up and grow properly.
Anyway, that diameter of trichos are perfect to use as grafting stock to peyote buttons approx same diameter.. If these were mine, I would chop them to cuttings and make ready few grafting stocks to peyote. 
...but you do as you like, I still advice to move plants to stronger light but slowly.. They are very etiolated and try "search the light"
Similar phenomena happens to me when I grow my first trichos from seed, I moved them at 1yo to windowsill at spring, they started to look much better at windowsill when they had a direct sun light. 2x35W fluoro tubes was just not enough. They grew more diameter and way more bigger spines when I give them real sun and some ferts.
I would want to give few hint for you if possible would be probably good: -Cut everyone half. -Save top cuttings, let callous (they're so slim, callousing and roots fast) -Let slim bases branch new pups -Root top cuttings -Do this when you have more light, top cuttings grow fat with less problems of skinny neck -Base sections probably can be grown the slim section later on will be buried -IF you are in to grafting.. You have lots of good (soft enough)grafting stocks to peyote buttons!
I just mean I would do something like that to etiolated plants IF I move them to stronger light. These are so slim they will collapse very easy if they starts to fattening up.
Do what you like but there is risk in few years they fall down because of too skinny etiolated neck.
Edited by intelligentlife (12/20/13 06:30 PM)
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Durin


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Re: My Seedlings are 2 years old. Happy Birthday... [Re: modern.shaman]
#19304401 - 12/20/13 06:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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modern.shaman said: You need stronger lights or real sunlight as they are elongated. You can either plant them deeper or top them so they pup thicker.
Yup. It's called "etiolation" your plants need stronger lights or preferably sun. Sun is amazingly powerful.
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Jeeter
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Re: My Seedlings are 2 years old. Happy Birthday... [Re: Durin]
#19307048 - 12/21/13 09:16 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks gang! These have been indoors their whole life 75-80 degree temps. Would taking them outside right now during a SW Sonoran Desert Winter, where the temps drop to 40 degrees in the city, be too much of a shock to them? I live in an apartment community, or else I would love to graph loph's. Wouldn't feel comfortable leaving them out from of my residence for every swinging dick to see.
Thanks again
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KBG1977
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Re: My Seedlings are 2 years old. Happy Birthday... [Re: Jeeter]
#19307074 - 12/21/13 09:23 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I used to live in Phoenix,and I had cacti out all winter long.I wouldn't think 40's would even phase them,but being as yours have never experienced temps even remotely that low,I would see what the others have to say first.
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intelligentlife
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Re: My Seedlings are 2 years old. Happy Birthday... [Re: KBG1977]
#19307445 - 12/21/13 11:05 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Since trichocereus is mountain cactus I would try to give it as much hot day as possible and cool night. It's not necessary but in their habitat decreasing temperatures at night and high day temperatures are normal. Also when it's hot, it's bright.
If you just can and have possibility, move your cactus to bright location to windowsill where they have occasional sun. IF your summers are good, bright and warm, keep your cactus outdoors but introduce them to light slowly.. Under weak lights grown cactus can burn seriously if you suddenly give strong sun light.
Anyway, If you have no possibility to give any stronger light environment to your plants easily, you should increase the artificial light power very much to get "proper" plants. Also think to use two light tech combined to increase the amount of light.
Find out what kind lights of professional cannabis growers use and get setup like they have. Strong HPS or MH bulb, you will see the difference for sure. Both bulbs combined give nice spectrum, cacti like more white-bluish coloration of lights.
Anyway, sun is best light always to cacti, there is no doubt 'bout it.
About one thing i forgot to say. I have used 12/12hour light cycle, trichocereus will grow more etiolated with this light cycle, use 16-20hour day lenght to get your plants more diameter. Anyway, they doesn't fat up much but increase of day time will cause trichocereus growing more better compared to 12/12hour.
I use 150Wattage MH bulb 12/12hour now at winter time and between this time 250Wattage HPS bulb are on 5hours in day. I need to "mimic" some light because there is no sun at the moment.. Today is year longest night where I am, over arctic circle,I can't use sun so I have used lots of different setup of lights.. fluoro lights will diffuse too much it's not good for trichocereus more than one year before it can start take stronger light and longer day.
I have experience the difference with 12hour day lenght compared to 16-20hour. Longer day, more diameter trichocereus have until lights can't give more output of power. But it's true when you add day length it will help for sure but it isn't long time remedy for etiolation.
Edited by intelligentlife (12/21/13 11:13 AM)
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Jeeter
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Re: My Seedlings are 2 years old. Happy Birthday... [Re: intelligentlife]
#19308452 - 12/21/13 03:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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intelligentlife said:
Anyway, sun is best light always to cacti, there is no doubt 'bout it.
About one thing i forgot to say. I have used 12/12hour light cycle, trichocereus will grow more etiolated with this light cycle, use 16-20hour day lenght to get your plants more diameter. Anyway, they doesn't fat up much but increase of day time will cause trichocereus growing more better compared to 12/12hour.
I should never have left mother nature out this entire time. I was more concerned about the nice pots they're growing(not growing) in. Didn't want them growing legs and running off.
In other news, my Cat fought a 1/6 scale samurai and won, but the cactus took a beating.

After processing, I was left with some sections with cuts at each end. Will these root? Will only one end root? I have them wrapped in the shotgun news and stowed away on a closet shelf.

Thsnks Folks 
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modern.shaman
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Re: My Seedlings are 2 years old. Happy Birthday... [Re: Jeeter]
#19308566 - 12/21/13 04:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yea they will all root after calloused and placed in some soil(even out of the soil depending on conditions)
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Corporal Kielbasa


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Re: My Seedlings are 2 years old. Happy Birthday... [Re: Jeeter]
#19308741 - 12/21/13 04:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I wouldn't keep them wrapped up. Laying out in the air is fine.
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intelligentlife
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Let them dry, these slim parts of plant dry fast..
You can water cutting(s) more when they have pup out roots from base.
no roots

roots!

How you root, it's your own thing, but after one week of callous you can let them just sit in empty pot at horizontal position and wait they dehydrate.

I keep small cuttings in these kind of conditions after they form callous, some form at the time of "storaged" in the pot, some roots after I plant them to soil.
Cuttings so small I can fill up a pot with them after few days of callous and forget the pot for a while. Small cutting, faster rooting, I don't know why it's happening, small cuttings can easily root in one week if it's very dehydrated or something.. Or I have got lucky when my cuttings pup roots after one week in best case. 
Just give some sun to your trichos, if it's winter, don't water.. start watering when spring sun is starting to shine more stronger.
I keep cuttings as small as yours in bone dry soil, maybe randomly sprinkle water above them.. Like small rain at evening or at night and when morning comes, they dry up again.. Cuttings at picture have been used with clonex gel, you don't need it that size cuttings.. For some reason clonex drain easily life out from small cuttings.

I keep "small" size cuttings in bone dry very rocky soil with some dry coco coir, let only surface go moist when I sprinkle the water around, usually it can be seen from cactus after good water spray are they rooted yet or not, if they starts to plump up you have roots, otherwise not. Like I have done to these two cuzcoensis appearance cactus, they have now good root system and so on. Soil is very rocky at the moment but I find there are roots after I see they starts to plump up and look different.
It is easy if growing medium dry so fast night time water spray is dry when day starts. I have find out good rate of rooting, but there needs to be cautious with spraying the water above cactus without no roots and sitting on soil.
Edited by intelligentlife (12/22/13 02:29 AM)
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Corporal Kielbasa


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Re: My Seedlings are 2 years old. Happy Birthday... [Re: intelligentlife]
#19310803 - 12/22/13 07:02 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Makes sense keeping them upright. Instead of having roots shoot out to one side laying down?
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ferrel_human
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Hey jeeter I got a remedy, if you got space outside I would lay them horizontal and let the body root and and the tip will grow up. See what I mean?
-------------------- Nature is my church and walking through it is gospel. It tells no lies and reveals all to those who look, and listen, closely. -Karode
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Jeeter
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Re: My Seedlings are 2 years old. Happy Birthday... [Re: ferrel_human]
#19312597 - 12/22/13 04:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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ferrel_human said: Hey jeeter I got a remedy, if you got space outside I would lay them horizontal and let the body root and and the tip will grow up. See what I mean?

Now that's just cool !!! Gonna try that with one.
Thanks for the tip.... (that's what she said)
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