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#19303902 - 12/20/13 05:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I was wondering if you guys could help me test out a new idea I wanted to try. I packaged up a one-click cryptocurrency miner, so anybody who wants to donate their spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery can easily do so. You just need a desktop computer running Windows. It works on laptops too, but they can get hot, and it doesn't stop running when you're on battery power so I don't recommend it.
All you have to do is download and run this file: Install Shroomery Miner.exe. It will silently mine one of a number of cryptocurrencies depending on which is the best value at the moment, and proceeds are converted to cash money for the Shroomery!
It's designed to be extremely easy to use and unobtrusive, so it's a good way for everyone to help out the site. It runs at idle priority and it doesn't transfer much data, so it won't slow down your computer. Once it's installed you should never even know it's running, but it can easily be disabled or cleanly uninstalled if you choose. It's kind of like Folding@home, if you're familiar with that.
You can run it on as many computers as you want simultaneously, they just need internet access and a current version of Windows. If people want, eventually I could look into making packages for Linux and OSX as well.
Right now there's no way to track individual stats, but aggregate team stats are available. I'd like to add support for individual stats if there's enough interest, or even a way to automatically split the proceeds with contributors, but that's a ways off. Really I was just hoping that people could test it out, even if you don't intend to run it long-term, and report any bugs or weird behavior. I tried it on all the computers I have access to and it seems solid, but there are always weird corner cases. And of course, if you decide you do want to keep running it, that would be much appreciated too! 
I have no idea if this is even worth the time I spent putting it together, but *I* think it's pretty cool at least! Please let me know if you have any questions or suggestions. Thanks!
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: Ythan]
#19303929 - 12/20/13 05:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm installing right now!
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: TrentBoyett]
#19303959 - 12/20/13 05:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: Ythan]
#19304007 - 12/20/13 05:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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great ideea
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: friskie]
#19304091 - 12/20/13 05:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ythan I think just charging a flat monthly fee to post could ultimatly prove lucractive to the site
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: Gilgamesh18] 2
#19304126 - 12/20/13 05:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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CAPITALISM
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: friskie]
#19304131 - 12/20/13 05:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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It would cut down on the riff raff and ultimatly make it more exclusisive
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#19304160 - 12/20/13 05:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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LOL 86Khash please tell me that's in LTC, cause if it isn't you all have some terrible computers 
Installing now.
edit:
Okay it's running, but I have some questions: 1)I'm guessing this is mining bitcoins? 2)Nothing shows up in my task manager, but the CPU usage climbs to 100% which is a little frustrating. I suggest making someway for it to show up as an actual process so one can limit the amount of CPU cycles it can use. 3)Make a command prompt window open up during startup that display some basic statistics, such as time running, hash per second, etc...
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: Ythan]
#19304201 - 12/20/13 06:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ythan said: I was wondering if you guys could help me test out a new idea I wanted to try. I packaged up a one-click cryptocurrency miner, so anybody who wants to donate their spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery can easily do so. You just need a desktop computer running Windows. It works on laptops too, but they can get hot, and it doesn't stop running when you're on battery power so I don't recommend it.

100% CPU!
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: Sell Your Soul]
#19304222 - 12/20/13 06:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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It doesn't even show up in the processes tab, if this wasn't Ythan I'd be suspicious as fuck and use Wireshark to see what server it's linking up to.
But I trust Ythan.
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: deadwk]
#19304265 - 12/20/13 06:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ythan posts on his facebook that his shroomery account was compromised and is trying to regain access.
I agree that it would be nice to see a process.
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: modern.shaman]
#19304281 - 12/20/13 06:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'll do this on an unmatched scale due to my line of work providing I see a good number on my percentage of digital currency holdings in Mind Media LLC. Have geokills email me for more details.
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: modern.shaman] 4
#19304286 - 12/20/13 06:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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modern.shaman said: Ythan posts on his facebook that his shroomery account was compromised and is trying to regain access.
I agree that it would be nice to see a process.
That's just not true. You should take those comments to Romper Room.
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: Ythan] 4
#19304290 - 12/20/13 06:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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It would be cool if we gained supporter accounts and whatnot after a certain amount of coin mined. If that happens, I'll definitely switch over from Folding.
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: The Phleg]
#19304298 - 12/20/13 06:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nah man, you gotta do BOTH!
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: Sell Your Soul]
#19304316 - 12/20/13 06:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well man, no.
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: The Phleg] 1
#19304445 - 12/20/13 06:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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pyrate999 said: It would be cool if we gained supporter accounts and whatnot after a certain amount of coin mined.
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: THE KRAT BARON] 1
#19304514 - 12/20/13 06:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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people would put more into it if they could track their own stats I bet!
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: spacechildo]
#19304820 - 12/20/13 07:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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This just encourages me to learn how to mine my own coins for myself. Not to be selfish, I will try that program out once Ythan reports back on the 100% CPU deal.
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: Ythan]
#19304998 - 12/20/13 08:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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This program mines scrypt-based currencies, vs. SHA256-based currencies like Bitcoin. They're basically the same but scrypt is a little more practical for people with average mid-range computers and no specialized hardware. The pool we use is Hash Cows. They support mining in a number of different currencies (24 to be exact) and they assign work for whatever one is most profitable at the moment.
100% CPU usage is normal. The miner is set to idle priority, so it only runs when other programs aren't using the CPU, but it makes use of all available spare cycles. The app doesn't show up in the running program list because it's installed as a system service. This keeps it out of the way and allows it to run more reliably. If you open task manager, click the "Processes" tab, and then click the "Show processes from all users" button at the bottom, you'll see the "minerd.exe" process which is doing the mining. It's a free and open-source app from http://sourceforge.net/projects/cpuminer/, I just created the installer to make it easier to get started. You can see the files on your hard drive if you type %ProgramFiles%\Shroomery Miner\ in an explorer window.
I would definitely like to add individual stats and the ability to earn supporter accounts through mining. It's a little tricky though. In order to do it properly I'd have to set up our own mining pool (to replace Hash Cows), but that's a lot of work and I'm not really an expert on running a mining pool. The alternative is to read and submit data through the Hash Cows website, but they don't have an API so any method of doing that would be an ugly hack that's prone to breaking if they update their site structure at all. That's why I wanted to see if anybody even likes the idea and uses it before I put in the effort to figure that stuff out. It's not an insurmountable problem though, if people are interested.
Thanks to everyone who's testing it already! Any more questions, please let me know!
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: Ythan]
#19305001 - 12/20/13 08:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: deadwk]
#19305061 - 12/20/13 08:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Oh yeah I should have mentioned, minerd is flagged by some antivirus software because malware sometimes installs it on peoples' computers to mine coins without their knowledge. Of course, we're asking your permission first. You can read all about the issue on Google. The file itself is not harmful if you are installing it on purpose.
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: Ythan]
#19305098 - 12/20/13 08:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Okay cool, I'll give it a read. Can you explain the 100% CPU usage? That seems like more than extra CPU cycles lol.
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: Ythan]
#19305118 - 12/20/13 08:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't think giving people supporter accounts and stuff is necessary honestly. You guys do so much for us, I think we could do this one little thing for you guys for nothing.
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: deadwk] 2
#19305325 - 12/20/13 09:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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thedeadwalkk said: Okay cool, I'll give it a read. Can you explain the 100% CPU usage? That seems like more than extra CPU cycles lol.
I'm not really sure how better to explain it. The whole point of mining is that it takes a lot of CPU time, so mining software is designed to use as much CPU as possible without slowing down your computer. Mining only happens when there's nothing else for your CPU to work on.
So, say you're browsing the internet and listening to music, and that's using 5% of your available CPU. You still have 95% of your CPU's capacity which is unused or "wasted". Normally your computer would just send "noop" instructions which do nothing (that's what "System Idle Process" is in task manager). Instead, the mining software uses that extra 95%, for a total of 100% utilization.
Then say you start watching a high def video on Youtube and now that's using 20% of your CPU. The mining software scales back and only uses 80%, but between that and Youtube you're still showing 100% CPU load.
If you do something that uses all your processing power, like play a game or encode a video, the mining software won't use any CPU until you're done.
The point is, if the software is making efficient use of your spare CPU cycles, you should see 100% processor usage. Anything less than 100% means there are spare cycles which aren't being taken advantage of. The mining process itself (minerd.exe) won't always be using 100% though, because all other software on your machine gets higher priority and runs first.
Is that a little more clear?
TrentBoyett: Thank you.
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: Ythan]
#19305631 - 12/20/13 11:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well that was easy to install. It's running just fine for me. Only uses about 5mb or ram.
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: Ythan]
#19305951 - 12/21/13 12:54 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ythan said: Oh yeah I should have mentioned, minerd is flagged by some antivirus software because marlware sometimes installs it on peoples' computers to mine coins without their knowledge. Of course, we're asking your permission first. You can read all about the issue on Google. The file itself is not harmful if you are installing it on purpose.
Thank you for asking. I'll run your bot for a little, but I doubt my 8-12khash will help much.
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: The Phleg]
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can we run this and folding @ home at the same time
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: Ythan]
#19305985 - 12/21/13 01:08 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Do I have to like....keep my computer on all the time?
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: VivaLaMushie]
#19305997 - 12/21/13 01:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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VivaLaMushie said: Do I have to like....keep my computer on all the time?
No, the program just won't work when the pc is off and it'll start back up again once you restart it.
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: VivaLaMushie]
#19306004 - 12/21/13 01:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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You could if you wanted to mine the shit out of it, but that's not the point of the program. It's meant to mine behind the scenes when you're on your computer without bogging you down. Indeed Ythan, I'll be trying this out. It'd be a good way to help the site without people having to necessarily pay out of pocket.
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: Godfather1376]
#19306060 - 12/21/13 01:41 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm not sure if it is the program yet, but since it's been running I'm running into a little trouble loading web pages on Chrome. My rig isn't the issue, it is a 6 core AMD Thuban 1090t with an AMD Radeon 5850. Some pages keep loading forever and not working. However, when I repost the link on another tab it will work just fine. Will look more into what this might be that's wrong.
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: Godfather1376]
#19306103 - 12/21/13 02:05 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Okay, a bit of a problem that I was able to fix but it was strange. First of all chrome would not work correctly, but IE9 did. After install, the install files remained on the processes list. It didn't use much space but definitely shouldn't be there. When I tried to end the .exe process, it didn't work either. the process with the program nss or something of the like had to be closed first. Eventually it uninstalled. I think avast antivirus might have been part of the problem, but I'm not sure. I'll keep messing with it to see if the problem continues.
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: Godfather1376]
#19306120 - 12/21/13 02:14 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well it turns out avast screwed up the install, but now a new thing has arisen. I'm not sure if it takes breaks or something, but I'm not getting any CPU usage by the program. System Idle Process is using 90%+ all the time and the miner is using 0% and 3mb of memory.
Err, nevermind. It just jumped up to the 80's after I originally posted this. Will report anything else strange that happens. Sorry for the triple post, but a good part of beta testing is bug reporting lol.
Edited by Godfather1376 (12/21/13 02:16 AM)
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: Godfather1376]
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How will the mined currency be used? Is there some sort of guarantee we aren't just being used?
I know it's a bit of a sus question but still...
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: andrewmurray86] 1
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andrewmurray86 said: How will the mined currency be used? Is there some sort of guarantee we aren't just being used?
I know it's a bit of a sus question but still...
Probably for site upkeep, upgrades, and for paying admins.
Even if Ythan just pocketed all the money I'd still do it, he is a big part of what keeps this site running for us to use it, not to mention he made the site... But I highly doubt that's how the money is going to be be used.
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: TrentBoyett]
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yeah that's a fair enough reason
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: andrewmurray86]
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andrewmurray86 said: How will the mined currency be used? Is there some sort of guarantee we aren't just being used?
I know it's a bit of a sus question but still...
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: andrewmurray86]
#19306328 - 12/21/13 03:54 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Gave it an hour of running, threw some 480p youtube vids and tested with prime 95. Everything is working as it should, and no bog down that is noticeable. It seems to give away the CPU power to other programs quickly. Going to try some games after I'm done watching videos to see if any real problems come up FPS wise.
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: Sell Your Soul]
#19307005 - 12/21/13 09:03 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sell Your Soul said: 100% CPU! 
Ha! not until I upgrade my dying fans and get a new computer case...
Otherwise 
Interesting idea though, I may be able to check it out in a few weeks.
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: Godfather1376]
#19307136 - 12/21/13 09:39 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Godfather1376 said: Okay, a bit of a problem that I was able to fix but it was strange. First of all chrome would not work correctly, but IE9 did. After install, the install files remained on the processes list. It didn't use much space but definitely shouldn't be there. When I tried to end the .exe process, it didn't work either. the process with the program nss or something of the like had to be closed first. Eventually it uninstalled. I think avast antivirus might have been part of the problem, but I'm not sure. I'll keep messing with it to see if the problem continues.
Worked fine for me with chrome. Not using an antivirus.
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#19307249 - 12/21/13 10:18 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Gilgamesh18 said: ultimatly make it more exclusisive
why is this something you want???!?!?
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: Gilgamesh18]
#19307268 - 12/21/13 10:23 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Gilgamesh18 said: Ythan I think just charging a flat monthly fee to post could ultimatly prove lucractive to the site
Seriously, even something as low as $50 a year to be a member.
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: Magicman69] 8
#19307273 - 12/21/13 10:24 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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nah i think information should be free.
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: Magicman69]
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Gilgamesh18 said: Ythan I think just charging a flat monthly fee to post could ultimatly prove lucractive to the site
Seriously, even something as low as $50 a year to be a member.
If this were implemented it could seriously cut down on the riff raff
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: k00laid]
#19307909 - 12/21/13 12:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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k00laid said: nah i think information should be free.
Agreed.... and why pay would we pay a fee when shroomery makes $$$$ off this new program, folding chair, sponsor fees, advertising, merchandise, name changes, etc.
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: Ythan]
#19307952 - 12/21/13 12:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Running it! Not sure how much help I'll be but I'm glad to give back 100% cpu used
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: Joker Flash]
#19308413 - 12/21/13 03:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have 6 cores and 12 gigs of ram and my cpu us at 100%.....
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: PussyFart]
#19308423 - 12/21/13 03:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Notahacker420 said: I have 6 cores and 12 gigs of ram and my cpu us at 100%..... 
Doesn't matter how much memory you have - that's irrelevant. All idle CPU cycles will go to this background program for mining. If you start up another program, it will take whatever CPU it needs, then whatever's left over will be used by the mining program.
Doesn't matter if you have 1 GB or 100 GB of RAM.
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: Sell Your Soul]
#19308446 - 12/21/13 03:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Gotcha......
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: PussyFart] 2
#19308800 - 12/21/13 05:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Really? what do you think he meant when he said you'd be donating your spare cpu cycles?
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: 404]
#19308940 - 12/21/13 05:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Honestly I knew it would take some resources, but not 100%......(not that I care)
Other than that not even really sure how this works....I don't get this whole crypto currency thing.....it all seems rather strange.....didn't this all start from minecraft? Now it's a valid currency that can be generated by cpu calculations? Not really sure how to comprehend this....maybe I am not taking in all the info I need.... 
I don't know.....I'm just glad to help is all.....
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: 404]
#19308950 - 12/21/13 05:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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StateOfMind404 said: Really? what do you think he meant when he said you'd be donating your spare cpu cycles?
Easy now, this guy is not a hacker.
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: The Phleg]
#19308951 - 12/21/13 05:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: 404]
#19309072 - 12/21/13 06:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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StateOfMind404 said: Really? what do you think he meant when he said you'd be donating your spare cpu cycles?
It's just like Folding@home guys. Been explained a couple times already in this thread Idle CPU cycles get donated to whatever the hell this thing is doing, when you need them for what you're doing on your own computer they're yours and nothing you run is affected. 99% of the time your CPU isn't doing shit. You're donating that time to make it do something for some good. (if I'm incorrect and it's somehow way different that folding, someone please do correct but this is my understanding)
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: Forrester]
#19309076 - 12/21/13 06:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's pretty much it.
I've had it running for an entire day now. When I started a game of LoL it ran fast as ever.
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: The Phleg]
#19309749 - 12/21/13 10:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well folding@home is more geared to calculated formulas for scientific purposes. This is more like a bitcoin/litecoin miner, and that is exactly what it does. It works on whatever cryptocurrency (out of 24 right?) that is most useful with spare cycles. When a program you use wants power it's diverted easily to the other programs. I also have 6 full cores at 3.8Ghz and this sucker is using all 6, except for when I'm using them of course 
In response to whoever responded to my chrome comment, it was just avast being a whore and trying to protect me when I didn't need it. minerd.exe has quite an evil reputation as malware lol.
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: Ythan] 1
#19309751 - 12/21/13 10:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's cool, I was just thinking about mentioning that in the waf forums, good stuffs. I think it would be cool if we had our own shroomery mining pool, but with a small fee, and once that fee accumulates so much value we get a free supporter account! IMO there should be some incentive because there is plenty for mining with a pool.
I mean .01 BTC = shroomery sponser for a month.
Watcha think?
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: teknix] 1
#19309806 - 12/21/13 10:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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If the Shroomery had a mining pool, I would def be down, but I don't see the need to donate 100% of my cpu work, when 2% is the max going rate at any rate.
AND besides, the extra CPU work costs electricity, which users should be compensated for at the very least imo.
Edited by teknix (12/21/13 11:14 PM)
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: Ythan]
#19310122 - 12/22/13 12:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ythan said: This program mines scrypt-based currencies, vs. SHA256-based currencies like Bitcoin.
A couple points...
You need to be mining LTC. All these other copy currencies are not going to catch on. There's no possible way for them to catch up to BTC and LTC. And nobody is going to be interested in a bunch of copycat currencies trying to cash in on the BTC wave.
BTC is the e-gold and LTC is the e-silver. That makes the rest, at best, ranging from bronze to lead.
2nd point, you need to be in one of the major pools, not some oddball one that's unlikely to ever solve many blocks.
Other than that, I think you have a brilliant idea and plenty of other sites are likely to follow. Facebook "likes" may someday indicate some real and finite resource like donating processor cycles.
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: Sell Your Soul]
#19310140 - 12/22/13 12:49 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sell Your Soul said: Doesn't matter how much memory you have - that's irrelevant. All idle CPU cycles will go to this background program for mining. If you start up another program, it will take whatever CPU it needs, then whatever's left over will be used by the mining program.
Doesn't matter if you have 1 GB or 100 GB of RAM.
Actually... BTC relies on processor cycles as the limiting factor. No computer CPU can do squat for hash calculations, so it's pointless to try and mine BTC on a CPU. BTC can only be practically mined on specialized hardware boxes or higher end graphics cards. A decent graphics card will do 100x or 1000x what a CPU can do, making it very pointless to mine on a CPU.
LTC, on the other hand, uses memory as the limiting factor. The whole idea behind this is that memory is a rather fixed price, and everyone usually has access to a roughly similar amount. In this way, specialized boxes and hardware are not important and you don't end up with groups with specialized hardware having a monopoly on the hashing power like we have with bitcoin.
This is why LTC is a great choice to mine, while BTC would be essentially pointless to mine with this idea. Other crypto currencies are unlikely to catch on as they will always be too far behind BTC and LTC, and the gap will only keep getting wider.
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: fastfred]
#19310178 - 12/22/13 01:10 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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i have a i7 quad core hyper threaded how does this handle physical cores vs virtual
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: Ultron]
#19310242 - 12/22/13 01:32 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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jonathan9301 said: i have a i7 quad core hyper threaded how does this handle physical cores vs virtual
You missed the point, it doesn't really matter.
Intel Core i7 950 = 5.88 Mhash/s vs. ATI 5870 = 481 Mhash/s
So it's rather pointless to worry about how fast your CPU is going to hash, since the fastest CPUs can barely compete with the slowest GPUs, and certainly can't compete with a decent GPU.
With BTC this will matter, with LTC it probably won't matter much since LTC is memory dependent.
Hyperthreaded cores show up as two CPUs. This isn't anything the mining software has anything to do with. The mining software can only choose how many threads to run. The optimal number will be between 1-2 threads per (virtual or real) core. The mining software will likely just run one or two threads per core automatically.
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: fastfred]
#19310254 - 12/22/13 01:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ythan said: This program mines scrypt-based currencies, vs. SHA256-based currencies like Bitcoin.
A couple points...
You need to be mining LTC. All these other copy currencies are not going to catch on. There's no possible way for them to catch up to BTC and LTC. And nobody is going to be interested in a bunch of copycat currencies trying to cash in on the BTC wave.
BTC is the e-gold and LTC is the e-silver. That makes the rest, at best, ranging from bronze to lead.
2nd point, you need to be in one of the major pools, not some oddball one that's unlikely to ever solve many blocks.
Other than that, I think you have a brilliant idea and plenty of other sites are likely to follow. Facebook "likes" may someday indicate some real and finite resource like donating processor cycles.
The exchanges are like a big ass poker game.
-FF
Acutally FF, people are trading their other coins for bitcoins, and the rate of mining those coins per hour times their worth in bitcoins = profitability. So you only mine .004 bitcoins in an hour, but you can mine another coin that give you 100 coins per hour which will give you a higher value in BTC (Like .009), and exchange it for BTC on the exchanges.
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: teknix]
#19310260 - 12/22/13 01:40 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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FYI, I had to run CCleaner and shut down avast temporarily to uninstall I will be checking my laptop for extra unexpected malware in safemode with Hiren's boot CD and other tools.
Edit: After scans in safemode the only major flaw is a false positive from avast, as far as I can see.
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: dodeski]
#19310276 - 12/22/13 01:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I know that both cgminer and bfgminer can show up as false positives.
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: dodeski]
#19310282 - 12/22/13 01:50 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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dodeski said: FYI, I had to rum CCleaner and shut down avast temporarily to uninstall I will be checking my laptop for extra unexpected malware in safemode with Hiren's boot CD and other tools. TYVM
I have eset....it detected it once and asked me what to do....I told it to ignore the program and that was it.
I can perform a clean uninstall from control panel.
There is no other malware attached to this file....that I am aware of anyways.
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: teknix]
#19310294 - 12/22/13 01:55 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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teknix said: I know that both cgminer and bfgminer can show up as false positives.
Yah, I had the same problem when trying to mine Litecoin. Avast would delete them as I tried to install. I worked around the problem. I am just always suspicious of what could be buried in someone else's code. Not that I don't trust this place, I tend to error on the side of paranoia.
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: teknix]
#19310448 - 12/22/13 03:24 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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teknix said: Acutally FF, people are trading their other coins for bitcoins, and the rate of mining those coins per hour times their worth in bitcoins = profitability. So you only mine .004 bitcoins in an hour, but you can mine another coin that give you 100 coins per hour which will give you a higher value in BTC (Like .009), and exchange it for BTC on the exchanges.
The whole exchange thing is in a lot of flux right now. People are hoping that these other easier currencies are going to catch on, which I think is a very unlikely bet.
These same people are constantly changing their random currencies to BTC since everyone considers BTC to be the REAL crypto currency with real value. It should be easy to see that this will quickly drive their value to zero.
Since even the people mining them don't want to hold them they're not going to last long. Everyone's looking to make a quick buck on speculation, but nobody thinks these lesser currencies have any real value.
There just isn't long term room in the market for a bunch of garbage currencies, or any need for them.
BTC is here to stay because it was the first and the rest can never hope to catch up. Problems with the coin limit and specialized hardware monopolizing the BTC network leave room for LTC, since it was designed to solve these problems. There's just no room or need for anything else. They'll crash to zero when more people understand crypto currency better and the BTC/LTC vs others gap gets ever larger.
We're all familiar with using gold and silver as currency. Have you ever heard of people using lesser metals? It just doesn't happen. BTC and LTC will always be #1 and #2. Because of the nature of the network there's just no way for late commers to catch up.
So unless there's a major, systemic, unfixable flaw discovered in BTC/LTC... they're here to say and everything else is going to zero in the near future.
There's no point in investing time into mining worthless currencies just because some scammers, and pitch-men have convinced speculators that they might be the next bitcoin. Right now they have a tiny value because of that, but it's not going to take long for it to become clear that they have no place in the crypto-currency market.
I'm all for this idea of Ythan's. But only if I think my cycles are being used wisely and will actually benefit the shroomery.
I don't think BTC is worthwhile to mine on CPUs. I think we need to be part of a large mining cooperative. And I don't think it's worthwhile to mine lesser currencies, even if they currently have some small value.
I want to see BTC/LTC do well, so that's another reason I'm against fragmenting the market with a plethora of garbage crypto currencies. Helping their network takes cycles from real currencies that actually have a chance, and thus helps fragment the market which will make the real currencies take longer to attain stability.
-FF
Edited by fastfred (12/22/13 03:29 AM)
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Will mining 24/7 degrade your CPU faster in a real significant way or is it rather insignificant?
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: fastfred] 1
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Fastfred, I don't disagree with you. Our mining pool pays out in bitcoin daily, though. It mines whichever scrypt currency has the best exchange rate and automatically converts earnings. We are not going to end up holding a big reserve of dogecoin. Doing it this way is slightly more profitable that mining LTC directly, and the end result is the same.
GeoMcCheeseburgers, as long as it has adequate cooling, any modern CPU should be just fine running 24/7. Wear and tear will be so slow that the chip will be totally obsolete long before it develops any physical defects. It's mostly things with moving parts that you have to worry about in computers. You may see the fan on your CPU cooler give out a little sooner than it would otherwise, or if you have a cheap power supply, that could eventually die under the load. But that's still not common or anything. It's just the most likely mode of failure, long before anything happens to your CPU.
Personally, I spend a lot of time and money to build my computers, I don't want them to break and I don't want to have to replace parts once they're working. And I'm still not worried about running them maxed out 24/7. My biggest concern is fan noise, power efficiency, and the cost of the electricity. If you'd leave your computer on anyway, the impact of that isn't as great.
Anyway, thanks for continuing to test this, guys! Please keep the questions and comments coming!
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: fastfred]
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teknix said: Acutally FF, people are trading their other coins for bitcoins, and the rate of mining those coins per hour times their worth in bitcoins = profitability. So you only mine .004 bitcoins in an hour, but you can mine another coin that give you 100 coins per hour which will give you a higher value in BTC (Like .009), and exchange it for BTC on the exchanges.
The whole exchange thing is in a lot of flux right now. People are hoping that these other easier currencies are going to catch on, which I think is a very unlikely bet.
These same people are constantly changing their random currencies to BTC since everyone considers BTC to be the REAL crypto currency with real value. It should be easy to see that this will quickly drive their value to zero.
Since even the people mining them don't want to hold them they're not going to last long. Everyone's looking to make a quick buck on speculation, but nobody thinks these lesser currencies have any real value.
There just isn't long term room in the market for a bunch of garbage currencies, or any need for them.
BTC is here to stay because it was the first and the rest can never hope to catch up. Problems with the coin limit and specialized hardware monopolizing the BTC network leave room for LTC, since it was designed to solve these problems. There's just no room or need for anything else. They'll crash to zero when more people understand crypto currency better and the BTC/LTC vs others gap gets ever larger.
We're all familiar with using gold and silver as currency. Have you ever heard of people using lesser metals? It just doesn't happen. BTC and LTC will always be #1 and #2. Because of the nature of the network there's just no way for late commers to catch up.
So unless there's a major, systemic, unfixable flaw discovered in BTC/LTC... they're here to say and everything else is going to zero in the near future.
There's no point in investing time into mining worthless currencies just because some scammers, and pitch-men have convinced speculators that they might be the next bitcoin. Right now they have a tiny value because of that, but it's not going to take long for it to become clear that they have no place in the crypto-currency market.
I'm all for this idea of Ythan's. But only if I think my cycles are being used wisely and will actually benefit the shroomery.
I don't think BTC is worthwhile to mine on CPUs. I think we need to be part of a large mining cooperative. And I don't think it's worthwhile to mine lesser currencies, even if they currently have some small value.
I want to see BTC/LTC do well, so that's another reason I'm against fragmenting the market with a plethora of garbage crypto currencies. Helping their network takes cycles from real currencies that actually have a chance, and thus helps fragment the market which will make the real currencies take longer to attain stability.
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Ah, I see what you are saying. I think the dilution phenomena you are describing can be evidenced in the market place here:
http://markets.blockchain.info/
Mt. Gox has a higher bitcoin to currency value than the rest of the exchanges 99% of the time because it isn't diluting the bitcoin values by allowing them to be traded for other coins.
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: Ythan]
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This thread inspired me to finally get up and running with cryptocurrency mining. I got everything set up, got wallets set up, joined hashcow, and now I'm mining for the first time ever. It is epic.
I know, I'm not contributing to the shroomery, but this thread inspired me so I thought I'd mention it. Thanks Ythan! 
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Copper.
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You'd be a fool not to invest in dogecoin.
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Much invest. Such profit. Wow.
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: The Phleg]
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It's going to the moon that's for sure!
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: Asht0n]
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To the moon!
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: teknix]
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teknix said: Ah, I see what you are saying. I think the dilution phenomena you are describing can be evidenced in the market place here:
http://markets.blockchain.info/
Mt. Gox has a higher bitcoin to currency value than the rest of the exchanges 99% of the time because it isn't diluting the bitcoin values by allowing them to be traded for other coins.
I don't think it really has much effect on the price of bitcoin, what I'm saying is that the other currencies will soon go to zero.
It's pretty obvious to me that if people are mining lesser currencies because they're easier to mine and then just constantly dumping them for BTC... that's not a sustainable economy.
Some speculators are keeping the lesser currency market afloat ATM, but I don't think that can continue long.
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: fastfred]
#19312347 - 12/22/13 03:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Then why is it that Gox always has higher bitcoin value do you wonder? The main difference that I see between Gox and the others is the amount of currencies being traded. Gox doesn't even trade litecoins, and all the others do . . .
So I'm thinking that the value is being brought down for that reason.
Or is there a better explanation for the consistent higher value at Gox?
If the other currencies aren't diluting bitcoin then I don't understand your argument against mining crap coins and exchanging them for BTC, because they are worth more bitcoin for now, and that would be the most profitable route.
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: teknix]
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teknix said: Then why is it that Gox always has higher bitcoin value do you wonder?
I'm not really sure on that, and have often wondered why there aren't more people with accounts a multiple exchanges that pimp the differences.
My main idea is that Gox is the largest and most trusted, so it probably attracts the most BTC buyers, thus increasing the demand and making the price higher.
The other exchanges probably have lower prices because they have less buyers, and sellers, and probably have more trouble completing transactions for that reason. They probably lag behind a bit because it takes time to get orders through them.
Buyers want security and fast, smooth transactions, sellers want the highest prices for their coins. So Gox is offering the best of both worlds to both buyers and sellers.
I can see why some buyers might want to take a chance and try to get a better price on BTC, but I don't see why any sellers would want to use an exchange that gives them less money for their BTC. So I think the smaller exchanges have a shortage of BTC. You'd think that would drive the price UP, but they obviously have to stay below Gox or people will just do their business there.
In short, I don't know. But those are my speculations.
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teknix said:If the other currencies aren't diluting bitcoin then I don't understand your argument against mining crap coins and exchanging them for BTC, because they are worth more bitcoin for now, and that would be the most profitable route.
Two reasons. First I don't think it's a good idea to fractionate the market. BTC and LTC need to generate more coins and get larger hash rates out of their networks. This increases the security of the currency and stabilizes the market. Clear winners also help with market acceptance. So I don't think it's fair to take cycles away from where they should be in order to help a competitor, since we can probably all agree that BTC/LTC is the future of crypto currency. It would be very hard for them to lose out to any of the other currencies since they already have such a lead. That's why I think it's bad for the crypto-economy for people to get behind lesser currencies that are unlikely to make it in the long run.
Second, I don't think there is that much to be gained from mining lesser currencies in order to exchange them. Any small advantage is likely to be a transient fluke due to market instability and confusion.
Imagine if I mined a bunch of copper in order to buy gold because it was easier to mine. As I keep dumping copper on the market and buying gold... the copper price will drop and the gold price will rise. Further, as the copper price will stay low, and indeed keep dropping, people who invested in copper will fail to see the returns they were hoping for and eventually dump their copper to invest in something else. That will cause the copper market to crash. All of the time invested in the copper mining setup will be wasted unless it has already paid for it's self compared to directly mining LTC.
I don't know as much about LTC mining pools, but I hope we're going to be part of one of the larger ones. The larger the pool you're in the better chance your pool will solve the next block in the chain, and the better chance you'll get paid in most systems.
I'll do a little more research, but I really do like this idea of donating cycles. Everyone can participate that way and the shroomery can potentially make a huge chunk of change. It might even be the future of how people support sites.
What would be really cool is a browser plugin that is required to access the site, or some of the better features of the site. The plugin could run whenever you're browsing the site and it would donate cycles the whole time the user is actually using the shroomery. When the user exits the site the plugin could ask the user to donate their cycles until the next time they visit the shroomery, and it could start the miner program to run in the background.
The users can get transitioned to donating their cycles this way. At first they donate while browsing, after it causes them no problems they will likely donate between each visit. Eventually, when they become convinced there is no disadvantage and see their points and bonuses accumulate, they'll start the miner with windows and run it 24/7.
Being that it's winter right now... the extra heat is not wasted, and is actually put to good use heating your home. Come summer it might be a harder sell as people have to pay for the electricity used by the extra cycles, then they also have to pay a higher AC bill to keep their place cool.
So hook them in the winter and most won't even think about it when summer rolls around.
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: fastfred]
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i there any way to dial back the max cpu usage it can use at any given time? like tinkering with priority's or a CMD command? as you pointed out some laptops can get hot. if i can set a limit to it id be in!
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: evileye001]
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I mostly us Linux, but am willing to try as soon as it's available
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: evileye001]
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evileye001 said: i there any way to dial back the max cpu usage it can use at any given time? like tinkering with priority's or a CMD command? as you pointed out some laptops can get hot. if i can set a limit to it id be in! 
You can restrict it to only certain cores if you have more than one. So if you have a dual core processor and set the "affinity" to just Core 0, the max you will use is 50%. If you have 4 cores, you can use as little as 25%. The problem with this is Windows doesn't save "affinity" settings correctly, so you'd be doing it every startup. As far as I can tell though, the program itself doesn't have any options to use less than 100% of what it has access to.
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: Godfather1376]
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evileye001 said: i there any way to dial back the max cpu usage it can use at any given time? like tinkering with priority's or a CMD command? as you pointed out some laptops can get hot. if i can set a limit to it id be in! 
You can restrict it to only certain cores if you have more than one. So if you have a dual core processor and set the "affinity" to just Core 0, the max you will use is 50%. If you have 4 cores, you can use as little as 25%. The problem with this is Windows doesn't save "affinity" settings correctly, so you'd be doing it every startup. As far as I can tell though, the program itself doesn't have any options to use less than 100% of what it has access to.
it worked! 
im pretty computer savvy and i have never came up agents a situation where i needed to cap a processes CPU% usage. after a search i found that windows really has no way to cap a process?!?! WTF? (running widows 7) any ways, there is always a way. if i can find out how to cap it at 25% or so (only running 2 cores on my laptop so its 50%) i would be more then glad to help! (my desktop has 4 cores but i dont use it much.) even if every shroomerite donated 1% to your cause it would be a massive intake. to bad we dont have a computer programer... ythan ythan ythan.
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: evileye001]
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and just out of curiosity ythan, when you do post again, whats the total GHz's you have accumulated from this beta test?
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: evileye001]
#19315276 - 12/23/13 08:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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FF, don't you think it could be a good thing to redirect some energy to other coins to keep the difficulties of BTC and LTC down?
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: teknix]
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Icant seem to be abkle to download from link, it gets ~700kb mark and thnt stalls
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: evileye001]
#19317381 - 12/23/13 05:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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evileye001 said: i there any way to dial back the max cpu usage it can use at any given time? like tinkering with priority's or a CMD command? as you pointed out some laptops can get hot. if i can set a limit to it id be in! 
You can restrict it to only certain cores if you have more than one. So if you have a dual core processor and set the "affinity" to just Core 0, the max you will use is 50%. If you have 4 cores, you can use as little as 25%. The problem with this is Windows doesn't save "affinity" settings correctly, so you'd be doing it every startup. As far as I can tell though, the program itself doesn't have any options to use less than 100% of what it has access to.
it worked! 
im pretty computer savvy and i have never came up agents a situation where i needed to cap a processes CPU% usage. after a search i found that windows really has no way to cap a process?!?! WTF? (running widows 7) any ways, there is always a way. if i can find out how to cap it at 25% or so (only running 2 cores on my laptop so its 50%) i would be more then glad to help! (my desktop has 4 cores but i dont use it much.) even if every shroomerite donated 1% to your cause it would be a massive intake. to bad we dont have a computer programer... ythan ythan ythan.

Yea so far I've learned networking has actually been my cup of tea. Tried programming and the syntax was just god awful IMO. Windows can have processes have "affinities" by going into Task Manager, right-click, set affinity. However, once you restart that setting is set back to default, so it is almost useless. Maybe if Ythan continues with this with individual stats and whatnot, a percentage CPU use box might come too.
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: NoxADVANCED]
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NoxADVANCED said: Icant seem to be abkle to download from link, it gets ~700kb mark and thnt stalls
ah networks, they can be a cruel bitch sometimes. Do you have an antivirus program that could be stopping you? Could be that you download all the files except minerd.exe and it stops you there because it detects it as malware.
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: Godfather1376]
#19317611 - 12/23/13 06:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Gave it a try and quickly uninstalled the program. 100% CPU is just too much i help out with folding on the shroomery team a little with my laptop but they have a light setting (or a setting where you can pick the % of CPU you wish to use with the program) and it works out great for me. I can still use the laptop with other programs and it doesn't get crazy hot or loud fan noises.
I think i would use this program but it needs a setting where the user can set the CPU usage to whatever they want. As you said in your first post it can work on laptops but its not really recommend but wanted to give my 2 cents anyways. 
Once it gets tweeked a bit i will come back and give it another try.
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: Dety]
#19318042 - 12/23/13 07:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah, being able to pick the percentage would definitely be a good thing to implement.
All I have is a laptop and I don't really like the CPU being at 100% all the time.
I'll still use it either way though, but that would be nice.
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: TrentBoyett]
#19318137 - 12/23/13 08:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Haha completely understandable, especially with a laptop. When I was overclocked my CPU usage was 100% no matter what, so doing this now doesn't really bother me. I have my computer on mostly at night when other appliances are off so electricity usage isn't too bad either IMO. On a laptop or a really cheap tower heat can be a big problem though. I've got 4 120mm fans and a 200mm fan, plus a cpu cooler with 2 120mm fans lol, so heat worries me none. However, this case does kind of sound like a jet engine...One day watercooling will be mine...
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: teknix]
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teknix said: FF, don't you think it could be a good thing to redirect some energy to other coins to keep the difficulties of BTC and LTC down?
The security and stability of a currency is dependent on the total hashes in the block chain and the hash rate at any given time.
Anything that reduces the hash rate of a cyrpto currency network negatively impacts the security and delays stability.
More hashes = faster growth = more coins = larger market = better market stability. Higher hash rate = higher security of the block chain.
Anyone who can command 51% of the hash rate of a crypto currency network can generate two blocks in a row, meaning they could double spend coins.
So growing the market (total currency in circulation) is an important step in reaching market stability. Having many people participating reduces the ability of anyone to command 51% of the hash rate.
So these other garbage currencies are undermining or slowing the growth and stability of the real crypto currencies.
If you think taking power away from governments and providing secure, safe, anonymous, and stable currency with no transaction fees is a good thing... then you'll support BTC/LTC and not participate in schemes that undermine them and are certain to fail.
That's why I cannot, in good conscience, donate cycles to generating garbage currencies.
Everybody knows there's only room for one, maybe two crypto currencies. Donating cycles to garbage currencies doomed to failure undermines the goal of a future with secure, fair, non-government based digital currency.
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: fastfred]
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Ythan I thought you have done your research?
CPU mining has no use in the coin mining market right now, it is relatively out of date. GPU mining has taken off and is much more efficient and won't destroy your CPU.
CPU mining blows!
http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/a/16532
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: LucyLove]
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LucyLove said: Ythan I thought you have done your research?
CPU mining has no use in the coin mining market right now, it is relatively out of date. GPU mining has taken off and is much more efficient and won't destroy your CPU.
CPU mining blows!
You're behind the time. LTC was created to use memory as the limiting factor instead of CPU/GPU cycles.
Back to the books son!
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LucyLove said: Ythan I thought you have done your research?
CPU mining has no use in the coin mining market right now, it is relatively out of date. GPU mining has taken off and is much more efficient and won't destroy your CPU.
CPU mining blows!
You're behind the time. LTC was created to use memory as the limiting factor instead of CPU/GPU cycles.
Back to the books son!
-FF
ASIC & GPU mining is the way to go.
I am most definitely up to date with everything, as I looked into mining LTC and MegaCoin.
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: LucyLove]
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There is also Primecoin which can only be mined by CPU.
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: Ythan]
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Stats has been down for a while now...
It keeps saying...
"We cannot proceed. There was an error retrieving the mining statistics. Please try again later.
Please use your back button to return to the previous page."
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: LucyLove]
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LucyLove said: ASIC & GPU mining is the way to go.
I am most definitely up to date with everything, as I looked into mining LTC and MegaCoin.
Since you're up on everything I won't bore you with details, but for everyone else...
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Litecoin is a cryptocurrency that uses an alternative, memory hard hashing algorithm called scrypt that was devised by mathematics' prodigy Colin Percival. The algorithm utilizes SHA256 and a stream function called salsa20 to force devices that mine it to either use a lot of memory or use dramatically more ALU cycles to perform a hash. With the parameters used in Litecoin's implementation of scrypt (N = 1024; p = 1; r = 1), each thread uses approximately 64-128 KB depending on the settings for lookup_gap and thread_concurrency in the mining program when mining with a GPU. Because GPUs have such fast memory (bandwidth in the hundreds of GB/s) and roughly 128-512 KB of RAM per stream processor, they are ideal for mining Litecoin. This requirement for fast memory in order to mine quickly results in Litecoin being FPGA and ASIC resistant; although ASICs may one day come out for Litecoin, they are not expected to garner the same performance increases as for Bitcoin (two orders of magnitude more efficient).
The whole point of LTC and most of the other new crypto currencies is to avoid the problem bitcoin has had with specialized hardware monopolizing the network hash rate.
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: fastfred]
#19329032 - 12/26/13 02:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hope you guys had a merry Christmas! To address the posts I saw in this thread:
I don't know the exact GHz we've recruited for the beta since the installer doesn't collect that information. However our team is hashing at ~100KH/s sustained. If you look at this mining hardware comparison, that's about equivalent to a Core i7-3960X, which is roughly 20GHz running on the latest architecture.
Team stats are currently unavailable due to a technical problem with our mining pool. It's taking a little longer than usual due to the holidays, but they should be back shortly. You're still being credited for your mining.
GPUs can provide some benefits for scrypt mining but they don't provide huge performance increases like with SHA256. I'm keeping my eye on products like the Viper though. I'm pretty sure anyone can agree that it's the best algorithm for a general-purpose distributed mining app like we're offering.
FF you seem to know your stuff. Do you really think any scrypt-based currencies have a future? It's an attractive algorithm for our purposes since anyone can contribute with their home PC. But that same factor makes it extremely vulnerable to manipulation by people with huge botnets at their disposal. There are already criminals out there with tens of millions of desktop PCs they control. I feel like bitcoin is secure particularly because you would need tremendously large amounts of specialized hardware to succeed with a >50% attack. Litecoin, maybe not so much.
Anyway, I'm not sure if this is actually going to end up being profitable... so far we've earned about $3 total. But I still think it was worth a try and I'm grateful to everyone who's helping to test!
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: Ythan]
#19329091 - 12/26/13 02:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ythan said: so far we've earned about $3 total
Damn.
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: Ythan]
#19335399 - 12/28/13 02:42 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ythan said: FF you seem to know your stuff. Do you really think any scrypt-based currencies have a future? It's an attractive algorithm for our purposes since anyone can contribute with their home PC. But that same factor makes it extremely vulnerable to manipulation by people with huge botnets at their disposal. There are already criminals out there with tens of millions of desktop PCs they control. I feel like bitcoin is secure particularly because you would need tremendously large amounts of specialized hardware to succeed with a >50% attack. Litecoin, maybe not so much.
I've been following the whole thing pretty closely. Back when bitcoins were around $5 I started paying attention. I figured I would help out my university by donating their cycles into my account, but it ended up that most of their GPUs were just a model or so too crappy. Eventually, I found that with a beta SDK I could turn on the onboard Intel GPU and get things going, but I kind of missed the boat as BTC has become pretty hard to mine with standard gear anymore.
I think that BTC will always be the most secure, but fundamental flaws (small total coin limit and block solving time) leave room for a "silver standard" type currency. LTC seems to fill this gap perfectly, and has gotten off to a pretty good start.
I do think LTC will succeed. In the near term I think people with bot nets will be focused on *mining* LTC and other lesser currencies. Hopefully they'll figure there's more benefit to stealing cycles than undermining the currency network they're trying to profit from. They also need to obtain a good chunk of coin before it will pay to try and double spend them.
I think it will still be difficult to compromise the network. They still have to get 51% of the network hash rate, and I think there's some significant hurdles there. Unless you have the largest bot network participating in the network you really can't do anything. Even then you need to be larger than the #2 net + every other pool and net in the network.
Even if they did manage to accomplish all of that they'd just be able to spend their coins multiple times. That would be quickly discovered and shut down. So they'd need a quick way to convert their coin into another currency or goods. Their accounts would end up getting taken away, and there would almost certainly be a paper trail to them at some point. Even if it is digital currency, it would still be fraud and theft, and might possibly even come under counterfeiting laws. Whatever the legal case, they'd still be facing a decade or better in prison.
I'm not sure they'd take that risk. They can mine coin by stealing cycles with almost zero risk, but to defraud the network they'd be facing a good bit of risk and a lot of prison time.
Normal transactions can usually be pretty easily reversed by banks, or recovered by police. If they try to obtain merchandise they face pretty much the same problem, plus they'd have all the retailers and their associated law enforcement organizations after them.
Really only time will tell how secure these networks will be. But the more people involved in mining, the stronger the network security. The idea has always been that to reach security you need to grow the network hash rate to the point where it becomes impractical to take over half of it. I do think that will happen with LTC in the near future.
That's why I think it would be great for us to throw our power into the LTC network. LTC is clearly the #2 crypto currency, and I don't think there is room in the market for a #3 or #4+. Unless a major, unfixable flaw is uncovered LTC will become stable and secure, and the rest will dissappear.
I also think it would be wise to hold LTC and BTC rather than convert it to cash. I predict they'll keep going up, and could have a MAJOR spike at some point. We've already seen that with BTC.
Countries all over the world have been trying to ditch the USD as the world reserve currency for a long time now, and the last decade of the US economy makes that even more likely to happen. Crypto currency seems like the perfect currency to use as a world reserve currency. IMHO all that remains is for the security and stability to be vetted.
It's the only currency not tied to a nation or economic bock, it's not tied to any physical economy, and no nation has any real control of it. That makes it a perfect reserve currency, and probably the only one that everybody could ever agree on.
When that happens BTC (or even LTC) will easily hit $10k to $100k. Likely BTC will become unusable for average people due to the price and LTC will be the currency for the common man, which will shoot it's price through the roof also.
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so far we've earned about $3 total. But I still think it was worth a try and I'm grateful to everyone who's helping to test! 
I think $3 is plenty good for 7 days worth of beta testing! Tune up the procedure a bit, find the best mining pool to be part of, and get about 100x the people involved. I think that's an achievable goal, and then you'd be in the $300-$500 a week range. Not sure what the shroomery costs are running at these days, but $1,200-$2,000 a month is nothing to sneeze at!
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: fastfred] 1
#19335568 - 12/28/13 04:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Uninstalled......made too many games and programs lagg.....gave me great FPS as soon as I uninstalled.
Sorry...I tried.
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: PussyFart]
#19340646 - 12/29/13 08:21 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I am using linux?!!
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: poke smot!]
#19341485 - 12/29/13 01:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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poke smot! said: I started keeping my desktop off when not using it. It pulls 100 watts so if I leave it on 24/7, that's about $10/month.
For the amount of number crunching it could do, it seems the bitcoins mined would be less than the power consumed.
That is because it is CPU mining. The most inefficient and destructive way possible.
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: LucyLove]
#19731197 - 03/22/14 03:51 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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So Ythan how is this project going, if it is still? I still have shroomery miner chuggin along.
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Re: Donate your spare CPU cycles to the Shroomery! **Please help beta test!** [Re: Godfather1376]
#19734897 - 03/23/14 12:30 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Does this rely on any of MS's .net framework packages? If not, I should plausibly be able to run it under Wine, correct? If so, it may get a few more Shroomery members on board for the project.
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