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Massachusetts cops intercept more than 1,000 bags of ‘Obama Care’ heroin
    #19303562 - 12/20/13 03:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

By David Ferguson
Friday, December 20, 2013 15:13 EST

State police in Massachusetts intercepted a vehicle carrying 1,250 bags of heroin marked “Obama Care” and “Kurt Cobain” on Friday.

The Massachusetts State Police Facebook page announced Friday morning that State Troopers Joe Petty and Dave Stucenski — assisted by K9 Officer Frankie — intercepted the drugs and arrested the occupants of the vehicle in Hatfield, Massachusetts.

Petty was on duty early Friday when he noticed a vehicle with multiple violations. He pulled the vehicle over and reportedly observed evidence of narcotics use. He called for backup and a K9 unit in order to conduct a search of the stopped vehicle.

K9 Officer Frankie, said the Facebook page, signaled positive for the presence of narcotics. A search by the officers revealed hundreds and hundreds of bags of heroin prepared for sale.

Most of the bags were stamped “Obama Care,” while others read “Kurt Cobain.”

David Ferguson

David Ferguson is an editor at Raw Story. He was previously writer and radio producer in Athens, Georgia, hosting two shows for Georgia Public Broadcasting and blogging at Firedoglake.com and elsewhere. He is currently working on a book.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/12/20/massachusetts-cops-intercept-more-than-1000-bags-of-obama-care-heroin/


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Re: Massachusetts cops intercept more than 1,000 bags of ‘Obama Care’ heroin [Re: Simplepowa]
    #19303746 - 12/20/13 04:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Lol


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Re: Massachusetts cops intercept more than 1,000 bags of ‘Obama Care’ heroin [Re: Synthe] * 1
    #19304032 - 12/20/13 05:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So many arrests are preceded by broken taillights, expired tag, or other simple violations. When transporting thousands of dollars worth of drugs it would seem to make sense to take care of obvious things and not break any traffic laws. The other thing you frequently see at the end of a story about a grow bust is "theft of (electrical) services" which is how they found them in the first place. If you are going to be doing a big time grow do not chisel the power company. It will bite you in the ass.


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Re: Massachusetts cops intercept more than 1,000 bags of ‘Obama Care’ heroin [Re: Stonehenge]
    #19304123 - 12/20/13 05:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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So many arrests are preceded by broken taillights, expired tag, or other simple violations. When transporting thousands of dollars worth of drugs it would seem to make sense to take care of obvious things and not break any traffic laws. The other thing you frequently see at the end of a story about a grow bust is "theft of (electrical) services" which is how they found them in the first place. If you are going to be doing a big time grow do not chisel the power company. It will bite you in the ass.



righttt? People are ssso stupid sometimes.

I don't see how the obama care thing has any relevance to anything. Just a stupid brand name for the heroin or what? stolen morphine? idk


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Re: Massachusetts cops intercept more than 1,000 bags of ‘Obama Care’ heroin [Re: Psilosopherr] * 1
    #19304513 - 12/20/13 06:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

OBAMA CARE KILLED KURT COBAINZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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Re: Massachusetts cops intercept more than 1,000 bags of ‘Obama Care’ heroin [Re: hidenseek1]
    #19304933 - 12/20/13 08:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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OBAMA CARE KILLED KURT COBAINZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





those bastards!!!

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Re: Massachusetts cops intercept more than 1,000 bags of ‘Obama Care’ heroin [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #19305281 - 12/20/13 09:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Some heroin dealer is not going to be a happy camper. But seriously, how stupid could those people be? If you're transporting thousands of dollars worth of illegal drugs, make sure your damn vehicle checks out.


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Re: Massachusetts cops intercept more than 1,000 bags of ‘Obama Care’ heroin [Re: deadwk]
    #19305313 - 12/20/13 09:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

lol what an awesome stamp, almost as good as the bunk obama cutout rolls


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Re: Massachusetts cops intercept more than 1,000 bags of ‘Obama Care’ heroin [Re: LeeHarvOz]
    #19305392 - 12/20/13 10:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:lol:


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Re: Massachusetts cops intercept more than 1,000 bags of ‘Obama Care’ heroin [Re: Simplepowa]
    #19305404 - 12/20/13 10:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I have to wonder why they were tranporting  pre bagged H? I mean maybe there was no other way but I refuse to believe that.:slowtard:


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Re: Massachusetts cops intercept more than 1,000 bags of ‘Obama Care’ heroin [Re: niteman]
    #19305419 - 12/20/13 10:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

lol


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Re: Massachusetts cops intercept more than 1,000 bags of ‘Obama Care’ heroin [Re: niteman]
    #19305493 - 12/20/13 10:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I have to wonder why they were tranporting  pre bagged H? I mean maybe there was no other way but I refuse to believe that.:slowtard:




they are further down the line, those guys don't get the keys soeone else does, the prob sell it t someone who cuts it who prob sells it to someone who packages it who gives it to minions like those to transport. thats prob not really THAT much raw uncut dope


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Re: Massachusetts cops intercept more than 1,000 bags of ‘Obama Care’ heroin [Re: LeeHarvOz]
    #19305636 - 12/20/13 11:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah it makes sense now that I think about it. Lol I was assuming it was an independent contractor selling 1250 one gram bags. If that was the case it would be wiser to transport the kilo and divide it when you get to the house. It was probably more like 1250 stamps or small bags of cut H like you said.

Edit:just looked at picture. Dissapointing there isn't a picture of Obama or Kurt on each one:syringe:


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Re: Massachusetts cops intercept more than 1,000 bags of ‘Obama Care’ heroin [Re: niteman]
    #19305721 - 12/20/13 11:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

those bags dont even weigh .100


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Re: Massachusetts cops intercept more than 1,000 bags of ‘Obama Care’ heroin [Re: LeeHarvOz] * 3
    #19306406 - 12/21/13 04:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It won't be long before the paradigm switches over for good but I am always astounded by how straightforward most people assume the cops' story is.

Cops don't lie?  The entire quote is "Petty was on duty early Friday when he noticed a vehicle with multiple violations"


and that's enough for people to rail about people being dumb for being assaulted and kidnapped because they were "asking for it" by "committing violations"?

It's like saying some rape victim got what was coming to her because THE RAPIST said that she was flirting with him or whatever.

Whatever she was doing, she was violently assaulted.  Further, blindly believing the aggressor in a scenario, or at least taking their statement at face value is a very poor tactic for conflict mediation.


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Re: Massachusetts cops intercept more than 1,000 bags of ‘Obama Care’ heroin [Re: niteman]
    #19306898 - 12/21/13 08:36 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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niteman said:
Yeah it makes sense now that I think about it. Lol I was assuming it was an independent contractor selling 1250 one gram bags. If that was the case it would be wiser to transport the kilo and divide it when you get to the house. It was probably more like 1250 stamps or small bags of cut H like you said.

Edit:just looked at picture. Dissapointing there isn't a picture of Obama or Kurt on each one:syringe:







I don't think one would really get a "break" on charges / sentencing for transporting a kilo of raw heroin, rather than a kilo of heroin bagged up.

"Oh, no guys... don't worry... this kilo of drugs is all personal use heroin.  I just have a really big habit." :rolleyes:


:lol:


No, I'm pretty sure if you've got more than a few stamp bags, or maybe a bundle, they assume you're selling it.  And it's not like heroin dealers just keep raw smack around and bag it up on demand. That stuff is all pre-bagged. Second, for whatever reason, heroin does not always come in kilo quantities. Not as one solid brick, that is. I've seen "bulk" heroin sold as single grams, and I've seen real bulk heroin sold as very well-wrapped 10 gram chunks they call "chalks."  Given how the chalks were wrapped, I assume they crossed the border in a "mule."


And while I have known lower-level dealers who bought their own stuff in bulk, cut it, and bagged it up... there are some dealers out there who just buy pre-bagged packs of dope from lower/middle level guys...


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Re: Massachusetts cops intercept more than 1,000 bags of ‘Obama Care’ heroin [Re: CidneyIndole]
    #19307067 - 12/21/13 09:22 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Well im not the most experienced in the heroin trade but I do know people that have been caught with large amounts of cocaine or marijuana that get off for personal becauwe it wasn't bagged. Granted this is like an ounce or two of blow and the other guy had a pound but they argued in court that they bought it in bulk because it was cheaper. I'm not saying it WOULD work with a kilo but you sure as shit couldn't use that defense if you had 28 one gram bags of blow as opposed to an oz in one bag.

As far as it coming in a bunch of different bags when purchased wholesale, I would never buy shit like that because it is easier to get ripped but I also don't sell heroin. For good reason too.


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Re: Massachusetts cops intercept more than 1,000 bags of ‘Obama Care’ heroin [Re: Humility]
    #19307464 - 12/21/13 11:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Humility said:
It won't be long before the paradigm switches over for good but I am always astounded by how straightforward most people assume the cops' story is.

Cops don't lie?  The entire quote is "Petty was on duty early Friday when he noticed a vehicle with multiple violations"


and that's enough for people to rail about people being dumb for being assaulted and kidnapped because they were "asking for it" by "committing violations"?

It's like saying some rape victim got what was coming to her because THE RAPIST said that she was flirting with him or whatever.

Whatever she was doing, she was violently assaulted.  Further, blindly believing the aggressor in a scenario, or at least taking their statement at face value is a very poor tactic for conflict mediation.



that is an entirely illogical comparison. Breaking actual traffic laws compared to a rape vicitm flirting with a rapist? not even fucking close :rofl:


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Re: Massachusetts cops intercept more than 1,000 bags of ‘Obama Care’ heroin [Re: Simplepowa] * 1
    #19307539 - 12/21/13 11:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Man,I got a bag of Kurt Cobain.One taste will blow yo face off.
Yep,I went there.
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Re: Massachusetts cops intercept more than 1,000 bags of ‘Obama Care’ heroin [Re: amungus]
    #19309286 - 12/21/13 07:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

That bad part of the bust, is that by being in so many packages, it shows intent to sell. I know just having a large enough quantity defaults to intent to sell/distribute, but if it's already portioned AND in a large total quantity, I think you get a worse outcome. The cops seem to love to bust people for drugs in December, so I suggest anyone with any, be ultra cautious or just don't travel with it this month if at all possible. (This is my opinion). The police force knows when more people are going to be traveling, and as with all security related work, when population in their patrol area rises, they raise their force too so that they are not overwhelmed and miss opportunities for busts.

As far as people stealing electricity for grows, one of the reasons they do it, is to avoid the power company reporting a suspiciously large spike in electricity usage to the police. Of course the downside is, if you get caught by the power company, you get busted for more charges.

Also, for the comments about checking and making sure your car is 100% legit first, would be something someone would likely do, if it was a "one time in their life" transport. However it is more likely, that it wasn't their first and last time having contraband on them in a vehicle. Likely over time, they got more and more comfortable with getting away with it, even if it was previously for ultra small amount(s).


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