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EPA Muzzles Scientists Who Disagreed on Coal Plant Regulations
    #19303209 - 12/20/13 02:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/12/20/gop-lawmakers-accuse-epa-muzzling-scientists-on-climate-regulations/?intcmp=latestnews

Facts are too inconvenient for the EPA.  They decided to ignore the scientists and pass a rule nobody wants (or needs) but them.  Coal-fired plants provide the majority of electricity in America while alternative energy sources are still just an alternative that hasn't reached a point where it is even worthy of discussion as a serious energy alternative.

Reminds me of the climate change debate.  Don't ever let facts get in the way of a great scam.

Are climate concerns so important that we should cut off our noses to spite our faces?  Should the EPA listen to its own people?  Should science issues be decided by real science or political expediency?  What will you say when the power bill for your home doubles in the coming years?  Will it be worth it when China is the biggest pollution source on the planet and has no interest in changing?  Should America be the only suckers to bite into the global warming scam?


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Re: EPA Muzzles Scientists Who Disagreed on Coal Plant Regulations [Re: mpd]
    #19303254 - 12/20/13 02:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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mpd said:
Are climate concerns so important that we should cut off our noses to spite our faces?



That a bad analogy, but yes.
Yes they are.



Global Toll of Air Pollution: Over 3 Million Deaths Each Year

Nuclear scare stories are a gift to the truly lethal coal industry


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Re: EPA Muzzles Scientists Who Disagreed on Coal Plant Regulations [Re: mpd]
    #19303255 - 12/20/13 02:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Coal=pollution=dead frogs...you dont want dead frogs, do you?

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Re: EPA Muzzles Scientists Who Disagreed on Coal Plant Regulations [Re: mpd]
    #19303270 - 12/20/13 02:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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mpd said:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/12/20/gop-lawmakers-accuse-epa-muzzling-scientists-on-climate-regulations/?intcmp=latestnews

Facts are too inconvenient for the EPA.  They decided to ignore the scientists and pass a rule nobody wants (or needs) but them.  Coal-fired plants provide the majority of electricity in America while alternative energy sources are still just an alternative that hasn't reached a point where it is even worthy of discussion as a serious energy alternative.

Reminds me of the climate change debate.  Don't ever let facts get in the way of a great scam.

Are climate concerns so important that we should cut off our noses to spite our faces?  Should the EPA listen to its own people?  Should science issues be decided by real science or political expediency?  What will you say when the power bill for your home doubles in the coming years?  Will it be worth it when China is the biggest pollution source on the planet and has no interest in changing?  Should America be the only suckers to bite into the global warming scam?




i'll be pissed off.

and it'll keep on going on untill we're fucked completely, nothing will change.


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Re: EPA Muzzles Scientists Who Disagreed on Coal Plant Regulations [Re: mpd]
    #19303291 - 12/20/13 02:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Foxnews?



Quote:

mpd said:

Are climate concerns so important that we should cut off our noses to spite our faces?  Should the EPA listen to its own people?  Should science issues be decided by real science or political expediency?  What will you say when the power bill for your home doubles in the coming years?  Will it be worth it when China is the biggest pollution source on the planet and has no interest in changing?  Should America be the only suckers to bite into the global warming scam?




In my opinion we should continue to pursue fossil fuel while working on developing viable alternatives and putting them to use on a small scale. Eventually someone will find a way to replace fossil fuel but as of yet we haven't reached that point, effort spent in the mass production of inefficient technology will only serve to hinder us in the long run.

I like to think solar power will develop sufficiently in the next few decades, the sun powers everything on our planet from millions of miles away. Its only a matter of time before someone finds a way to efficiently harness enough of that energy for mass production


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Re: EPA Muzzles Scientists Who Disagreed on Coal Plant Regulations [Re: Repertoire89]
    #19303316 - 12/20/13 02:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The cold war was the best era.

Obviously this comes from someone not at the time... But atleast it gave two leading nations competition into something that could grow.

Why go on with depleting this planet when space is our playground...

I just hope we find a reliable alternative before we end up feeling the effects of our mass consumption.


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Re: EPA Muzzles Scientists Who Disagreed on Coal Plant Regulations [Re: mpd]
    #19303578 - 12/20/13 03:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It's not that simple.  To present a possibly more "balanced" view, here is most likely what happened:

EPA came up with some proposed regulations.  These regulations weren't pulled out of their ass, but more likely, prepared and developed by the work of their own scientists (on the EPA payroll).  Unfortunately, these regulations probably cost a lot of money.  Money that industry doesn't want to pay.

Energy companies also have scientists on the payroll.  These scientists came to a different conclusion than the feds, and now industry is bitching about paying the extra money for the federally imposed regulations. 

The truth is probably in the middle somewhere.


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