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Is not wanting kids ok?? * 1
    #19302692 - 12/20/13 12:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Im 32 i don't have any children. I don't want any children... i have a wife and we both don't want kids. Simple fact that we wanna live our lives for us. It may sound selfish but we like to enjoy ourselves too much to lets kids get in the way... Is this wrong??


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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: Anonymous #1] * 2
    #19302785 - 12/20/13 12:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Its against instincts, its not wrong.

Plenty of couples get old together and have bags of cash to travel the world with that would have gone to children.


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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: Anonymous #1] * 3
    #19302798 - 12/20/13 12:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Is it wrong?  What does that even mean?  Do whatever you want, it's your life.

The idea that not having kids is selfish seems very common and it's completely backwards.  :lol:


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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: Sleepwalker] * 1
    #19302948 - 12/20/13 01:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It's not selfish to want the best for yourself. When we do things that get in the way of others doing the same for themselves, or not choosing to let that be, is when we cross the line in to selfish endeavors. I don't think it's selfish to want what you want.  Feel no shame in that, bud.


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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #19303073 - 12/20/13 02:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Im 32 i don't have any children. I don't want any children... i have a wife and we both don't want kids. Simple fact that we wanna live our lives for us. It may sound selfish but we like to enjoy ourselves too much to lets kids get in the way... Is this wrong??




You give me hope, hope that I turn out just the same.

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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: Herbologist] * 1
    #19303083 - 12/20/13 02:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

no


absolutely not

it is not wrong to not want children

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Its against instincts





so is shitting where you live and destroying one's landbase.....humans, lol


i don't know if i can agree with you it is instinct.  maybe for some [most], but not all.


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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: Beanhead]
    #19303139 - 12/20/13 02:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I think it's good that you realize kids aren't for you now, rather than down the road when it's too late. I've seen a lot of people that probably should have realized that, but went ahead and made a few "mistakes" I am one of those "mistakes". My parents were too wrapped up in themselves to worry about taking care of children, but that didn't stop them from having 8 of em anyway..:justdontknow:
I think it's retahded that society makes you feel like you're not "normal" if you don't pop out a bunch of kids. It's your life, do what makes ya happy


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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: shroomluv] * 3
    #19303187 - 12/20/13 02:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It's fine, unless you already paid for them and can't get your money back.

But seriously, it's more than fine. This planet cannot sustain the population growth we have right how. The more people that decide to not have kids, the better.


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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: koods]
    #19303246 - 12/20/13 02:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Me and my lady don't want kids either. It's about what is best for the life you'd be bringing into this world. We have enough trouble raising ourselves, let alone a child who needs constant attention.


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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: llama_police]
    #19303272 - 12/20/13 02:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i don't want kids either :shrug:


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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #19304018 - 12/20/13 05:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Simple fact that we wanna live our lives for us. It may sound selfish but we like to enjoy ourselves too much to lets kids get in the way... Is this wrong??



:lolwut:

The fact that someone could think any of this astounds me.  Selfish?  To whom?  The kids you don't have?  How could is possibly be "wrong"?  It's your life you can do whatever the fuck you want as long as you don't hurt anyone else.


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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: pwnasaurus] * 2
    #19304030 - 12/20/13 05:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Do what you wish. We are wayy to many people on this planet, so it doesnt excatly hurt anyone..


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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: pwnasaurus] * 1
    #19304248 - 12/20/13 06:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Simple fact that we wanna live our lives for us. It may sound selfish but we like to enjoy ourselves too much to lets kids get in the way... Is this wrong??



:lolwut:

The fact that someone could think any of this astounds me.  Selfish?  To whom?  The kids you don't have?  How could is possibly be "wrong"?  It's your life you can do whatever the fuck you want as long as you don't hurt anyone else.




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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #19304267 - 12/20/13 06:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Im 32 i don't have any children. I don't want any children... i have a wife and we both don't want kids. Simple fact that we wanna live our lives for us. It may sound selfish but we like to enjoy ourselves too much to lets kids get in the way... Is this wrong??



Yes it is wrong. It is failing as mammals, which we are. Your purpose is to reproduce. Reconsider why you and your wife hold this failure idea that makes you evolutionary dead ends, and what your purpose is to be the best mammals you can be.

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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19304321 - 12/20/13 06:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You need to stop being an animal then.. be pure bliss.. roaming the universes in its love for all..


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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19304326 - 12/20/13 06:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It depends who are you are asking I think. Personally, I don't think it's wrong. We are at a point in human history were there are so many people on earth, that if a couple people don't want to reproduce there is really no harm. In fact there could just be benefits, less people to consume our finite resources.

However, if we were in a point in time were the human species is struggling to survive after an ELE and there's a handful of people left, I think it would be biologically wrong.


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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: deadwk] * 1
    #19304340 - 12/20/13 06:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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It depends who are you are asking I think. Personally, I don't think it's wrong. We are at a point in human history were there are so many people on earth, that if a couple people don't want to reproduce there is really no harm. In fact there could just be benefits, less people to consume our finite resources.

However, if we were in a point in time were the human species is struggling to survive after an ELE and there's a handful of people left, I think it would be biologically wrong.




We screwed up once.. perhaps we are not ment to be?


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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: Icyus]
    #19304360 - 12/20/13 06:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

So you're saying that because we as a species screwed up once, means we should give up all hope and not try? Sure, but that's a pretty defeatist attitude.

IF we all just stopped trying to evolve because we fucked up once, where would we be? :shrug:


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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: deadwk] * 1
    #19304395 - 12/20/13 06:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

There will allways be idiots.. if eveyone were geniousses would the word mean anything?


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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: deadwk] * 1
    #19304398 - 12/20/13 06:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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So you're saying that because we as a species screwed up once, means we should give up all hope and not try? Sure, but that's a pretty defeatist attitude.

IF we all just stopped trying to evolve because we fucked up once, where would we be? :shrug:





:lol:

yea, screwing up once in a couple million year lineage (the progressions of homo up to our current state as sapiens sapiens), is no reason not to try things over.  however, i don't see this mass culture failing until we suffocate (or destroy ourselves in any other more literal form); even after it's forced to and people survive, all i can foresee is the people who remain trying to rebuild what we currently have.  not enough people, at this point, realize this system of living with our environment is fucked and not for the long haul

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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: Icyus]
    #19304412 - 12/20/13 06:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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You need to stop being an animal then.. be pure bliss.. roaming the universes in its love for all..



I am already a fully enlightened being. Its the biggest nothing of all. Who wants to float through a universe of pure nothing forever? Stay an unenlightened mammal, enlightenment is a let down.


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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19304458 - 12/20/13 06:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

If you are not able to find pure acceptance and peace in everything, you are still crawing and will never be satiated... it is the nature of man.. a life of suffering, then a new life.. of suffering. Thus it still alludes you.. even though you might have had a grasp, it ks faar gone..


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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: Icyus]
    #19304504 - 12/20/13 06:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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If you are not able to find pure acceptance and peace in everything, you are still crawing and will never be satiated... it is the nature of man.. a life of suffering, then a new life.. of suffering. Thus it still alludes you.. even though you might have had a grasp, it ks faar gone..



I have pure acceptance and peace, like I said, I'm fully enlightened.


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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: Anonymous #1] * 2
    #19304575 - 12/20/13 07:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It is definitely IS ok not to reproduce -- not everyone needs to or has been programmed to want them.

For most of us, the kids just happen, not planned. With seven billion of us swarming across the face of the planet, we are more like a plague species than a blessing


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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #19304615 - 12/20/13 07:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: Cruiser_66]
    #19304635 - 12/20/13 07:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Who wants to float through a universe of pure nothing forever? 

Well in your enlightenment you do have the choice to be sad or happy.. be those things then..

you would rather have people be dumb? Is this because you are greedy, which dissapprowes your enlightenment.. thought about it, and if you enlighten an idiot, it would be an idiot no more.., or bacause you cannot accept the burden one needs to bear? Which also would be a lack of acceptance.. ignorance is bliss one mighT say..I find it hides suffering, but does not come close to real one a bliss..


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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: Icyus] * 2
    #19304772 - 12/20/13 07:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Im 32 i don't have any children. I don't want any children... i have a wife and we both don't want kids. Simple fact that we wanna live our lives for us. It may sound selfish but we like to enjoy ourselves too much to lets kids get in the way... Is this wrong??



Yes it is wrong. It is failing as mammals, which we are. Your purpose is to reproduce. Reconsider why you and your wife hold this failure idea that makes you evolutionary dead ends, and what your purpose is to be the best mammals you can be.

:failboat:



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There will allways be idiots.. if eveyone were geniousses would the word mean anything?




Which word? Genius, or that word you just made up?


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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: koods]
    #19304783 - 12/20/13 07:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Excuse my english.. geniusses, plural of genius, or is it wrong? I meant genius.


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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: Icyus]
    #19304986 - 12/20/13 08:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Of course it's okay. What is selfish is parents expecting and imposing the ideas of their children to marry and bear children, when they absolutely don't want to.


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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #19305039 - 12/20/13 08:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

In many cases, I believe the opposite is true. Having kids is selfish.


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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: hendrix99]
    #19305115 - 12/20/13 08:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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In many cases, I believe the opposite is true. Having kids is selfish.




It's the parents' genes that are selfish. The parents are behaving as their genes have programmed them - make moar copies.


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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: Cruiser_66]
    #19305178 - 12/20/13 09:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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It is definitely IS ok not to reproduce -- not everyone needs to or has been programmed to want them.

For most of us, the kids just happen, not planned. With seven billion of us swarming across the face of the planet, we are more like a plague species than a blessing



It is the biological nature of mammals to reproduce. Deviation from natural desires based on you being taught things like you state are programming, aka brainwashing.


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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: Ellis Dee] * 1
    #19305330 - 12/20/13 09:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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It is definitely IS ok not to reproduce -- not everyone needs to or has been programmed to want them.

For most of us, the kids just happen, not planned. With seven billion of us swarming across the face of the planet, we are more like a plague species than a blessing



It is the biological nature of mammals to reproduce. Deviation from natural desires based on you being taught things like you state are programming, aka brainwashing.




Have you considered that maybe part of this biological nature may include the repression of a desire to reproduce in certain individuals? Individual's instinctual drives are influenced by the state of affairs in the society as a whole. Maybe the drive to not reproduce when resources are stretched thin is something that has evolved through natural selection.


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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: koods]
    #19305343 - 12/20/13 09:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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It is definitely IS ok not to reproduce -- not everyone needs to or has been programmed to want them.

For most of us, the kids just happen, not planned. With seven billion of us swarming across the face of the planet, we are more like a plague species than a blessing



It is the biological nature of mammals to reproduce. Deviation from natural desires based on you being taught things like you state are programming, aka brainwashing.




Have you considered that maybe part of this biological nature may include the repression of a desire to reproduce in certain individuals? Individual's instinctual drives are influenced by the state of affairs in the society as a whole. Maybe the drive to not reproduce when resources are stretched thin is something that has evolved through natural selection.



A desire to not reproduce is a defect punished by an evolutionary dead end. And such defectives should be evolutionary dead ends. That is natural selection at its finest.


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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19305362 - 12/20/13 09:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You don't understand that it is the genome that is optimizing its own survival. Sometimes that means sacrificing an individual for the benefit of a larger set of people who have similar genes... Family.

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The Selfish Gene is a book on evolution by Richard Dawkins, published in 1976. It builds upon the principal theory of George C. Williams's first book Adaptation and Natural Selection. Dawkins used the term "selfish gene" as a way of expressing the gene-centred view of evolution as opposed to the views focused on the organism and the group, popularising ideas developed during the 1960s by W. D. Hamilton and others. From the gene-centred view follows that the more two individuals are genetically related, the more sense (at the level of the genes) it makes for them to behave selflessly with each other. Therefore the concept is especially good at explaining many forms of altruism, regardless of a common misuse of the term along the lines of a selfishness gene.
An organism is expected to evolve to maximise its inclusive fitness—the number of copies of its genes passed on globally (rather than by a particular individual). As a result, populations will tend towards an evolutionarily stable strategy. The book also coins the term meme for a unit of human cultural evolution analogous to the gene, suggesting that such "selfish" replication may also model human culture, in a different sense. Memetics has become the subject of many studies since the publication of the book.




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    #19305368 - 12/20/13 09:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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There will allways be idiots.. if eveyone were geniousses would the word mean anything?




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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: koods]
    #19305385 - 12/20/13 10:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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You don't understand that it is the genome that is optimizing its own survival. Sometimes that means sacrificing an individual for the benefit of a larger set of people who have similar genes... Family.



The fact that I disagree with your assessment is not an indication that I do not understand your premise.

Not reproducing is simply a defect. It is not an altruistic characteristic useful for group survival. In fact, even in times of overpopulation the one that produces the most offspring will be the most evolutionary successful. You seem to misunderstand the concept you are championing in fact. The goal is to reproduce and pass on certian genes. Overpopulation or not reproducing is the ultimate biological goal. Your premise that not reproducing can pass on the best genes fails every test of the most basic premises of natural selection.


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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: Into The Woods]
    #19305395 - 12/20/13 10:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i think more people should elect to not have children. We are already over populated and need to cut back on the baby making. Children are environmental disasters

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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: psyconaught]
    #19305400 - 12/20/13 10:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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A desire to not reproduce is a defect punished by an evolutionary dead end. And such defectives should be evolutionary dead ends. That is natural selection at its finest.



Thank god we evolved beyond fucking moneys in the African plains. The same brain that allows us to make the rational decision not to have children is the same brain that allows us to create the technological marvels and society we have today.


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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: psyconaught]
    #19305444 - 12/20/13 10:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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A desire to not reproduce is a defect punished by an evolutionary dead end. And such defectives should be evolutionary dead ends. That is natural selection at its finest.



Thank god we evolved beyond fucking moneys in the African plains. The same brain that allows us to make the rational decision not to have children is the same brain that allows us to create the technological marvels and society we have today.



People brain damaged enough to think not having kids is a great idea will not have posterity to enjoy those technological marvels because their defective genes will be eliminated from the future population. Only those that have sex and reproduce will have any future value to the species or to future evolutions from the species. That is proof of the continuing evolution of the human species. Its harsh and you can criticize it but its a statement of fact not opinion. If you make that "rational" deecision to not have kids, your rational brain capable of believing such a thing will be eliminated from both the human species and future evolution.


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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19305456 - 12/20/13 10:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

There is a thing called a "darwin award" that are given to people that through their stupidity remove themselves from the gene pool. From an evolutionary standpoint it makes no difference whether you commit sucide, die from some accident, or choose not to have kids. Either of those outcomes results in a "darwin award".


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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19305466 - 12/20/13 10:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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You don't understand that it is the genome that is optimizing its own survival. Sometimes that means sacrificing an individual for the benefit of a larger set of people who have similar genes... Family.



The fact that I disagree with your assessment is not an indication that I do not understand your premise.

Not reproducing is simply a defect. It is not an altruistic characteristic useful for group survival. In fact, even in times of overpopulation the one that produces the most offspring will be the most evolutionary successful. You seem to misunderstand the concept you are championing in fact. The goal is to reproduce and pass on certian genes. Overpopulation or not reproducing is the ultimate biological goal. Your premise that not reproducing can pass on the best genes fails every test of the most basic premises of natural selection.




I would have agreed with the premise in your finest sentence - that it is possible that you understand what I've said, but disagree. However, you then continue on and shoot yourself in the foot by demonstrating that you really don't have a very clear understanding of evolution via natural selection.


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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19305472 - 12/20/13 10:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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There is a thing called a "darwin award" that are given to people that through their stupidity remove themselves from the gene pool. From an evolutionary standpoint it makes no difference whether you commit sucide, die from some accident, or choose not to have kids. Either of those outcomes results in a "darwin award".




You know about the Darwin Award. you should learn more about Darwinian theory.

Your siblings carry the same genes as you do. If your death or childlessness allows them to be more successful procreators, then you have furthered the goal of your genes,

People from your region carry similar genes. People from your country have more genetic commonality than pekoe from across the ocean. This is why we have tribes, and clans, and mafias and standing armies.


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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19305570 - 12/20/13 10:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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A desire to not reproduce is a defect punished by an evolutionary dead end. And such defectives should be evolutionary dead ends. That is natural selection at its finest.



Thank god we evolved beyond fucking moneys in the African plains. The same brain that allows us to make the rational decision not to have children is the same brain that allows us to create the technological marvels and society we have today.



People brain damaged enough to think not having kids is a great idea will not have posterity to enjoy those technological marvels because their defective genes will be eliminated from the future population. Only those that have sex and reproduce will have any future value to the species or to future evolutions from the species. That is proof of the continuing evolution of the human species. Its harsh and you can criticize it but its a statement of fact not opinion. If you make that "rational" deecision to not have kids, your rational brain capable of believing such a thing will be eliminated from both the human species and future evolution.



brain damage? Really? :doublefacepalm:
by your logic those who are homosexual are brain damaged


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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: psyconaught]
    #19305581 - 12/20/13 10:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not brain damaged. I'm helping my sister be a slut.


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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19306182 - 12/21/13 02:45 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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A desire to not reproduce is a defect punished by an evolutionary dead end. And such defectives should be evolutionary dead ends. That is natural selection at its finest.



Thank god we evolved beyond fucking moneys in the African plains. The same brain that allows us to make the rational decision not to have children is the same brain that allows us to create the technological marvels and society we have today.



People brain damaged enough to think not having kids is a great idea will not have posterity to enjoy those technological marvels because their defective genes will be eliminated from the future population. Only those that have sex and reproduce will have any future value to the species or to future evolutions from the species. That is proof of the continuing evolution of the human species. Its harsh and you can criticize it but its a statement of fact not opinion. If you make that "rational" deecision to not have kids, your rational brain capable of believing such a thing will be eliminated from both the human species and future evolution.





Damn, that totally reminds me of a feminist science fiction writer who was writing about the future. In the future, women are treated like slaves and forced to be artificially inseminated at will and hooked up to artificial wombs to create cyborg slave babies "for the future of the race."

Damn I totally forgot who wrote that.


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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: Crystal G]
    #19306186 - 12/21/13 02:49 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Margret Atwood?

Yes. (To answer my own question)

Handmaid's Tale


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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19306211 - 12/21/13 02:59 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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There is a thing called a "darwin award" that are given to people that through their stupidity remove themselves from the gene pool. From an evolutionary standpoint it makes no difference whether you commit sucide, die from some accident, or choose not to have kids. Either of those outcomes results in a "darwin award".



Nah, the reasoning seemingly makes sense, but at closer inspection, it's flawed.

Firstly, the decision to not have kids may not be genetically determined and could be a nurture instead of a nature thing.

Secondly, the trait(s) that lead to not wanting kids could rely on recessive alleles, resulting it not being apparent in the majority of the population, but it will keep recurring in a small portion of it through the generations.

Thirdly, the notion that non-child bearing couples would be an evolutionary burden to the species or a dead end is debatable as well. Non-procreating specimens can play a substantial role in raising the offspring of the fertile individuals, increasing their chances of success; focusing reproduction on a small percentage of fertile individuals instead of having the entire population procreate is a survival strategy that is present in many species.

Likely, a combination of factors is at play here, from an evolutionary perspective. Contrary to what you're arguing, this doesn't make the non-procreating couples eligible for a Darwin award; it just makes their evolutionary role a bit more complex than oversimplified reasoning would suggest.


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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: koods]
    #19306223 - 12/21/13 03:06 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Margret Atwood?

Yes. (To answer my own question)

Handmaid's Tale




Close, but no not quite. The feminist author I'm thinking of had a much more technologically revolutionary Dystopian-themed "Futurama"esque type work, filled with artificial insemination, DNA manipulation, and artificial wombs.


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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: Crystal G]
    #19306669 - 12/21/13 07:14 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

-2013
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Wondering if not having children is wrong...


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    #19306850 - 12/21/13 08:20 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

"Is not wanting kids ok??"

It depends upon what factors are in play. Do you ask the shroomery community? Do you ask if it is interculturally accepted? Do you ask the moral?

You are doubting yourself.. in the end.. go ask yourself! There will allways be those who agree and disagree and sometimes also thlse who remain indifferent.. consult yourself, have your partner do the same, meditating over it maybe, and share your thoughts. That is what matters. Not peoples different views on you, nomatter their understandings. They will differ.. and one will matter no more than yours.. not in the basic terms of atleast how I see the universe.. hope this might be of help :wink:


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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: psyconaught]
    #19306870 - 12/21/13 08:27 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I am already a fully enlightened being




Nobody is a fully enlightened being. Not even the Dalai Lama is fully enlightened. You are full of shit.

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i think more people should elect to not have children. We are already over populated and need to cut back on the baby making. Children are environmental disasters





I believe that only people with high intelligence and good physical attributes should be allowed to multiply.


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    #19306878 - 12/21/13 08:29 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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In many cases, I believe the opposite is true. Having kids is selfish.




I... disagree. Having children prevents you from living your life and doing things that you want to do. It prevents you from finishing school, from making more money, from going on vacation, from spending time with your friends... raising children is clearly an unselfish act, but the desire to have them is founded upon selfishness. That is, if you have them on purpose. Most people don't have them on purpose.


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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: Crystal G]
    #19306897 - 12/21/13 08:35 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Crystal G.. do not be so judgemental...

Ellis Dee is not fully enlightened, though he is neither full of shit, and I would wouch for that.

even though you do not know of any who are, and even though there might never been such a person, fully enlightened, you should not so easily fall to a conclusion about something you actually amitted to know nothing about..


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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: Crystal G]
    #19306902 - 12/21/13 08:37 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'm debating if I even want one/: if I do, it wouldn't be until I'm 29 30.. :shrug:
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    #19306923 - 12/21/13 08:42 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Freeze some sperm?


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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: Icyus]
    #19306990 - 12/21/13 09:00 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Crystal G.. do not be so judgemental...

Ellis Dee is not fully enlightened, though he is neither full of shit, and I would wouch for that.

even though you do not know of any who are, and even though there might never been such a person, fully enlightened, you should not so easily fall to a conclusion about something you actually amitted to know nothing about..




I don't have to know him to know he's not fully enlightened. I've read his posts from the past, and they are far from even intelligent, nevermind enlightened. Nobody is 100% enlightened anyway.


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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: Crystal G]
    #19307388 - 12/21/13 10:54 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't have to know him to know he's not fully enlightened. I've read his posts from the past, and they are far from even intelligent, nevermind enlightened. Nobody is 100% enlightened anyway.



If you have prejudices like that... If you have opinions, beliefs and ideas of your own you have a perception filter. After you let go of all that, eliminate your ego by a slow death from 1000 cuts, peeling away the onion layers that you are, you are left with nothing. Once you are nothing you are enlightened.

Start with something simple, try to make a true statement, its not easy. Let me show you an easy example lets say I write that pi is the ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter. I can not know that is true, for it presupposes there is a circle.

For I know truth having stripped away my opinions, beliefs, and ideas, and I am nothing. I am a holy enlightened being separate from the hologram I seem to inhabit, and to do this I gained nothing but lost everything. I advise you to read the enlightenment trilogy for starters by Jed McKenna and read them in order beginning with Spiritual Enlightenment, the Damnedest Thing.

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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19307402 - 12/21/13 10:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

And then, wizard Dee, one starts realizing that nothing is also a thing.. and it starts all over again..


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    #19307425 - 12/21/13 11:01 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:strokebeard3:


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    #19308002 - 12/21/13 01:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Start with something simple, try to make a true statement, its not easy. Let me show you an easy example lets say I write that pi is the ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter. I can not know that is true, for it presupposes there is a circle.



:rolleyes:

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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19308140 - 12/21/13 01:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

What if you end up with a child with special needs?

Contributing very much to the gene pool.


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    #19308169 - 12/21/13 02:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I dont want kids either. If i had them then ill make every effort to be a good father but am not trying to go down that road. My gf wants kids so well see what happens


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    #19308229 - 12/21/13 02:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

on average a kid costs 250k to raise. plus this species sucks in a lot of ways. thats why i got my nuts clipped:cookiemonster:


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    #19308262 - 12/21/13 02:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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What if you end up with a child with special needs?

Contributing very much to the gene pool.




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    #19308263 - 12/21/13 02:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Sorry, that was fucked up. It sounded funny, though.


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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: Into The Woods]
    #19308375 - 12/21/13 03:05 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Not joking though, i'd rather not bring another burden to this world. i'm just wondering how he assesses positive and negative eugenics. Which inheritable factors improve the human race?

I'd agree if it weren't for technology keeping a lot of these defects right here, whether some choose to reproduce or not. we're all afraid of our biological mortality, that doesn't mean there aren't other inherent human traits that can aid the race in general other then spraying sperm around.


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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: koods]
    #19308494 - 12/21/13 03:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Start with something simple, try to make a true statement, its not easy. Let me show you an easy example lets say I write that pi is the ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter. I can not know that is true, for it presupposes there is a circle.



:rolleyes:

This is what happens when a smart person is ruined by taking a philosophy course.




No man. This isn't real philosophy. Real philosophy follows a set of rules, which his posts do not follow. Philosophy majors are also more eloquent and masters of writing, which Ellis is clearly not.


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    #19309538 - 12/21/13 09:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Start with something simple, try to make a true statement, its not easy. Let me show you an easy example lets say I write that pi is the ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter. I can not know that is true, for it presupposes there is a circle.



:rolleyes:

This is what happens when a smart person is ruined by taking a philosophy course.




No man. This isn't real philosophy. Real philosophy follows a set of rules, which his posts do not follow. Philosophy majors are also more eloquent and masters of writing, which Ellis is clearly not.



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    #19314934 - 12/23/13 06:32 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Im 32 i don't have any children. I don't want any children... i have a wife and we both don't want kids. Simple fact that we wanna live our lives for us. It may sound selfish but we like to enjoy ourselves too much to lets kids get in the way... Is this wrong??




Not only is that okay, but I commend your decision :hug:


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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: birdland]
    #19317246 - 12/23/13 05:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Anyway guys i have read all your post's and i have decided i don't want one of them annoying little fuckers that cost a lot of money to bring up, which i would have to worry about for at least 21 years.. fuck that i'm going for a beer!! :cheers:


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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #19317340 - 12/23/13 05:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I don't want kids,
I find it HIGHLY irresponsible and selfish the number of children the average person has.
I say one child per couple, when Terence McKenna asked much rooms how to save the earth,
That is the answer they presented him with.
But no, everyone is too fucking selfish and needs 15 little pieces of shit that take after their worst qualities walking the earth to make them feel like they matter.
I mean it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize we are having a hard enough time supporting the population we already have.

Granted having children is not much of an option for my girlfriend and myself,
But even if we could have kids I would fight tooth and nail to adopt instead.


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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: SARAtonin]
    #19317357 - 12/23/13 05:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I think some good ol' fashioned war with swords and bows would be nice.. reducing the population and not dealing with nasty bombs ect.. everyone be equal..


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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: SARAtonin]
    #19317646 - 12/23/13 06:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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SARAtonin said:
I don't want kids,
I find it HIGHLY irresponsible and selfish the number of children the average person has.
I say one child per couple, when Terence McKenna asked much rooms how to save the earth,
That is the answer they presented him with.
But no, everyone is too fucking selfish and needs 15 little pieces of shit that take after their worst qualities walking the earth to make them feel like they matter.
I mean it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize we are having a hard enough time supporting the population we already have.

Granted having children is not much of an option for my girlfriend and myself,
But even if we could have kids I would fight tooth and nail to adopt instead.



Goddamn, the world needs more people like you. :seriousthumbsup:


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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: i like cow poo]
    #19318602 - 12/23/13 09:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I always wanted kids, but have been transitioning away from it the past couple years. Pretty sure I won't change my mind now.

I agree, children are a burden on the planet, and I find the life i lead to be full of internal conflict with society at large. Quite frankly, I wouldnt want to bring a child into the world.

However, now that I am in my late 20's and I know a bunch of people who have had kids (None of the them planned!), my perspective on them has changed. It feels that woman especially try and define themselves through their children, and i think it is a waste. What's the point? Locking yourself into a life of servitude with the hope that you will leave a mark on the world through your children? I've had friend after friend get locked into a situation not of their choosing because they got someone pregnant.

I'd rather just ... live my dreams, and not let kids hold me back. The whole worship of children by society kind of disgusts me.

I can see why people do want children though, and maybe i'll come around. If i still feel this way in a few years, i'll probably get snipped.


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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: PDU]
    #19319352 - 12/24/13 01:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

No, dont cut  yourself.. just put a piece of uranium to your genitals and you will be sterile in not time..


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