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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: Icyus]
#19304412 - 12/20/13 06:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Icyus said: You need to stop being an animal then.. be pure bliss.. roaming the universes in its love for all..
I am already a fully enlightened being. Its the biggest nothing of all. Who wants to float through a universe of pure nothing forever? Stay an unenlightened mammal, enlightenment is a let down.
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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: Ellis Dee]
#19304458 - 12/20/13 06:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you are not able to find pure acceptance and peace in everything, you are still crawing and will never be satiated... it is the nature of man.. a life of suffering, then a new life.. of suffering. Thus it still alludes you.. even though you might have had a grasp, it ks faar gone..
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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: Icyus]
#19304504 - 12/20/13 06:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Icyus said: If you are not able to find pure acceptance and peace in everything, you are still crawing and will never be satiated... it is the nature of man.. a life of suffering, then a new life.. of suffering. Thus it still alludes you.. even though you might have had a grasp, it ks faar gone..
I have pure acceptance and peace, like I said, I'm fully enlightened.
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It is definitely IS ok not to reproduce -- not everyone needs to or has been programmed to want them.
For most of us, the kids just happen, not planned. With seven billion of us swarming across the face of the planet, we are more like a plague species than a blessing
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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: Cruiser_66]
#19304635 - 12/20/13 07:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Who wants to float through a universe of pure nothing forever?
Well in your enlightenment you do have the choice to be sad or happy.. be those things then..
you would rather have people be dumb? Is this because you are greedy, which dissapprowes your enlightenment.. thought about it, and if you enlighten an idiot, it would be an idiot no more.., or bacause you cannot accept the burden one needs to bear? Which also would be a lack of acceptance.. ignorance is bliss one mighT say..I find it hides suffering, but does not come close to real one a bliss..
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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: Icyus] 2
#19304772 - 12/20/13 07:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Anonymous said: Im 32 i don't have any children. I don't want any children... i have a wife and we both don't want kids. Simple fact that we wanna live our lives for us. It may sound selfish but we like to enjoy ourselves too much to lets kids get in the way... Is this wrong??
Yes it is wrong. It is failing as mammals, which we are. Your purpose is to reproduce. Reconsider why you and your wife hold this failure idea that makes you evolutionary dead ends, and what your purpose is to be the best mammals you can be.

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Icyus said: There will allways be idiots.. if eveyone were geniousses would the word mean anything?
Which word? Genius, or that word you just made up?
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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: koods]
#19304783 - 12/20/13 07:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Excuse my english.. geniusses, plural of genius, or is it wrong? I meant genius.
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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: Icyus]
#19304986 - 12/20/13 08:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Of course it's okay. What is selfish is parents expecting and imposing the ideas of their children to marry and bear children, when they absolutely don't want to.
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In many cases, I believe the opposite is true. Having kids is selfish.
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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: hendrix99]
#19305115 - 12/20/13 08:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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hendrix99 said: In many cases, I believe the opposite is true. Having kids is selfish.
It's the parents' genes that are selfish. The parents are behaving as their genes have programmed them - make moar copies.
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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: Cruiser_66]
#19305178 - 12/20/13 09:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Cruiser_66 said: It is definitely IS ok not to reproduce -- not everyone needs to or has been programmed to want them.
For most of us, the kids just happen, not planned. With seven billion of us swarming across the face of the planet, we are more like a plague species than a blessing
It is the biological nature of mammals to reproduce. Deviation from natural desires based on you being taught things like you state are programming, aka brainwashing.
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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: Ellis Dee] 1
#19305330 - 12/20/13 09:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Cruiser_66 said: It is definitely IS ok not to reproduce -- not everyone needs to or has been programmed to want them.
For most of us, the kids just happen, not planned. With seven billion of us swarming across the face of the planet, we are more like a plague species than a blessing
It is the biological nature of mammals to reproduce. Deviation from natural desires based on you being taught things like you state are programming, aka brainwashing.
Have you considered that maybe part of this biological nature may include the repression of a desire to reproduce in certain individuals? Individual's instinctual drives are influenced by the state of affairs in the society as a whole. Maybe the drive to not reproduce when resources are stretched thin is something that has evolved through natural selection.
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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: koods]
#19305343 - 12/20/13 09:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Cruiser_66 said: It is definitely IS ok not to reproduce -- not everyone needs to or has been programmed to want them.
For most of us, the kids just happen, not planned. With seven billion of us swarming across the face of the planet, we are more like a plague species than a blessing
It is the biological nature of mammals to reproduce. Deviation from natural desires based on you being taught things like you state are programming, aka brainwashing.
Have you considered that maybe part of this biological nature may include the repression of a desire to reproduce in certain individuals? Individual's instinctual drives are influenced by the state of affairs in the society as a whole. Maybe the drive to not reproduce when resources are stretched thin is something that has evolved through natural selection.
A desire to not reproduce is a defect punished by an evolutionary dead end. And such defectives should be evolutionary dead ends. That is natural selection at its finest.
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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: Ellis Dee]
#19305362 - 12/20/13 09:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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You don't understand that it is the genome that is optimizing its own survival. Sometimes that means sacrificing an individual for the benefit of a larger set of people who have similar genes... Family.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Selfish_Gene
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The Selfish Gene is a book on evolution by Richard Dawkins, published in 1976. It builds upon the principal theory of George C. Williams's first book Adaptation and Natural Selection. Dawkins used the term "selfish gene" as a way of expressing the gene-centred view of evolution as opposed to the views focused on the organism and the group, popularising ideas developed during the 1960s by W. D. Hamilton and others. From the gene-centred view follows that the more two individuals are genetically related, the more sense (at the level of the genes) it makes for them to behave selflessly with each other. Therefore the concept is especially good at explaining many forms of altruism, regardless of a common misuse of the term along the lines of a selfishness gene. An organism is expected to evolve to maximise its inclusive fitness—the number of copies of its genes passed on globally (rather than by a particular individual). As a result, populations will tend towards an evolutionarily stable strategy. The book also coins the term meme for a unit of human cultural evolution analogous to the gene, suggesting that such "selfish" replication may also model human culture, in a different sense. Memetics has become the subject of many studies since the publication of the book.
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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: Icyus] 1
#19305368 - 12/20/13 09:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Icyus said: There will allways be idiots.. if eveyone were geniousses would the word mean anything?
Geniuses*
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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: koods]
#19305385 - 12/20/13 10:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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koods said: You don't understand that it is the genome that is optimizing its own survival. Sometimes that means sacrificing an individual for the benefit of a larger set of people who have similar genes... Family.
The fact that I disagree with your assessment is not an indication that I do not understand your premise.
Not reproducing is simply a defect. It is not an altruistic characteristic useful for group survival. In fact, even in times of overpopulation the one that produces the most offspring will be the most evolutionary successful. You seem to misunderstand the concept you are championing in fact. The goal is to reproduce and pass on certian genes. Overpopulation or not reproducing is the ultimate biological goal. Your premise that not reproducing can pass on the best genes fails every test of the most basic premises of natural selection.
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i think more people should elect to not have children. We are already over populated and need to cut back on the baby making. Children are environmental disasters
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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: psyconaught]
#19305400 - 12/20/13 10:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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A desire to not reproduce is a defect punished by an evolutionary dead end. And such defectives should be evolutionary dead ends. That is natural selection at its finest.
Thank god we evolved beyond fucking moneys in the African plains. The same brain that allows us to make the rational decision not to have children is the same brain that allows us to create the technological marvels and society we have today.
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Re: Is not wanting kids ok?? [Re: psyconaught]
#19305444 - 12/20/13 10:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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A desire to not reproduce is a defect punished by an evolutionary dead end. And such defectives should be evolutionary dead ends. That is natural selection at its finest.
Thank god we evolved beyond fucking moneys in the African plains. The same brain that allows us to make the rational decision not to have children is the same brain that allows us to create the technological marvels and society we have today.
People brain damaged enough to think not having kids is a great idea will not have posterity to enjoy those technological marvels because their defective genes will be eliminated from the future population. Only those that have sex and reproduce will have any future value to the species or to future evolutions from the species. That is proof of the continuing evolution of the human species. Its harsh and you can criticize it but its a statement of fact not opinion. If you make that "rational" deecision to not have kids, your rational brain capable of believing such a thing will be eliminated from both the human species and future evolution.
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