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JakeBlues



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2g Psilocybe cyanescens...
#19302584 - 12/20/13 12:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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What trip level would 2g be?? i know they are like twice? as potent as normal shrooms right?
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Anglerfish
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Re: 2g Psilocybe cyanescens... [Re: JakeBlues]
#19303019 - 12/20/13 01:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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JakeBlues said: i know they are like twice? as potent as normal shrooms right?
If you by "normal shrooms" mean P. cubensis, then approximately twice according to the dosage calculator. I'm at a fault to be trusted here though as I never tried cyans myself.
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Eclipse3130
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Re: 2g Psilocybe cyanescens... [Re: Anglerfish]
#19303321 - 12/20/13 02:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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2g would be a level 3 if they are good potency. I've done Cyans twice recently and I did 3.5g my first time and had a level 1 experience due to a weak batch, I took 2.5g later of a different batch and was on the brink of a level 4. You will have fun with 2 grams for sure.
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3D Shroom Porn
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Re: 2g Psilocybe cyanescens... [Re: Eclipse3130]
#19304013 - 12/20/13 05:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I just came down from 1.2 g and it kicked my nuts up my neck. Everyone's different I guess. But this was way more potent than the 3.5 I did of cubes a couple months ago. It was more intense going up and more compact. By 3hrs in I was coherent. But at hr 2 I was on my bed in the dark hearing and seeing the machinery of the universe come apart bit by bit...spronggggg!
But hey, that's just me. I'd never eat even 2g of this after today. No need.
Have fun!
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Acidreamer
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For me, honestly that'd be a level 5 trip with full on ego death, no joke. These shrooms pack an uncomfortable body load for me too. I wouldn't go there personally, not with Cyans anyway.
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JakeBlues



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Re: 2g Psilocybe cyanescens... [Re: Acidreamer]
#19304936 - 12/20/13 08:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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do they have the nasty nausea comeup?
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Eclipse3130
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Re: 2g Psilocybe cyanescens... [Re: JakeBlues]
#19304944 - 12/20/13 08:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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JakeBlues said: do they have the nasty nausea comeup?
From what I experienced, yes lol. The body load is VERY weird and not very pleasant at times as well.
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3D Shroom Porn
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Re: 2g Psilocybe cyanescens... [Re: Eclipse3130]
#19305257 - 12/20/13 09:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Didn't get nauseous at all. I ate them whole on an empty stomach, just a glass of water to wash the bits down. Didn't even taste bad really. Although for a second I had a gag reflex from the taste. But it went away.
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PrimalSoup
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Ps. cyanescens are amazing, I've both picked and grown them and would love to do so again. 2g dried is maybe a bit low (for me ) but comparable to 3.5-4g ordinary cubensis. 
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PS if you make tea from them the tea actually tastes GOOD
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JakeBlues



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Re: 2g Psilocybe cyanescens... [Re: PrimalSoup]
#19305403 - 12/20/13 10:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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THEY ARE COMING GROUND, SO iLL CAP THEM...THEN THOUGH ID DRINK A WHOLE THING OF OJ, BUT I HAVE 4 GRAMS COMING...I REALLY WANT A LEVEL 4-5..SHOULD I JUST DO THEM ALL OR IS THAT A WASTE
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RickyJ
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Re: 2g Psilocybe cyanescens... [Re: JakeBlues]
#19305503 - 12/20/13 10:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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4.1 grams put someone I know into ego death. It was the only time this person saw floors fractaling and rainbows coming off of people's faces. Huge bodyload too. This was ground fruit bodies, eaten in capsules. Horrible aftereffects, muscle weakness for two days after. As in, having trouble walking the next morning and having issues chewing cereal without having milk coming out of his mouth. Not a good idea. This person will never eat cyanescens whole again.
Every time after that experience, he has made tea for fantastic results.
But even better, do a lemon/lime juice soak and make tea. Chop fruit bodies finely with a knife,soak in lemon or lime juice for 30-60 minutes, squeeze all the psilocybin and psilocin juice out of the fruit bodies, and then do two hot water extractions (tea) out of the fruit bodies to get the rest of the psilocybin out of the fruits. Combine the fruit juice and the tea and drink. Compost the fruit bodies.
This method is top notch! This same person ate 3.0 grams of the same cyanescens and had the most visual mushroom experience he has ever had. Deep, futuristic bright neon colors painted everything. People's faces were vibrant. An amazing experience. No bad after effects noted.
There must be another compound in cyanescens which is responsible for the muscle weakness. This person has also eaten stuntzii, pelliculosa, cubensis, and baeocystis and has never felt the muscle weakness.
Something about those cyans....
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PrimalSoup
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Re: 2g Psilocybe cyanescens... [Re: RickyJ]
#19305868 - 12/21/13 12:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes, I've run into the muscle toxin with one patch of wild cyans I found. Pity too as I had a nice myc culture going from them. Some things though, you just never want to have it happen twice. 
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Re: 2g Psilocybe cyanescens... [Re: PrimalSoup]
#19311815 - 12/22/13 01:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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PS, It's definitely not a bad thing, all you have to do is make tea or lemon extract and forgo eating the fruit bodies. Perhaps you should do an alcohol extraction and make some psilly goo!
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Re: 2g Psilocybe cyanescens... [Re: RickyJ]
#19314328 - 12/23/13 12:34 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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The cyans definitely cause side effects and I feel like I have some understanding of this. Part of it is the psilocin. These have up to 2%+ of psilocin which is short acting and much more physically intense than psilocybin. Supposedly they also have tons more baeocystin than cubes which is heavy body load. I personally usually dose at least 2 g of these . Im crazy so i have constant lasting visuals, I guess im on permanent +1. My first time doing about 30 grams of fresh allenii I was like on lvl 4, paralyzed on the floor and seeing like the air made out of the universe and I could like touch planets and go there and talk to aliens n shit. After experience like that it takes less to get to like a lvl 3, maybe 1.5g. I usually eat like 5g though and trip my face off.
I reccomend grinding up all ur shrooms into powder. Easy to measure out, constant potency in each 1/4 teaspoon full. I think that each of those is around a half gram, idk. I just look at the total powder and scoop out a fraction of it I think is reasonable. mmmmmmm
I don't know the actual chemistry but Shulgin said something about psilocin how its more like serotonin than cybin or somethin. Something about how it gets reuptaken instead of remaining in the synapse.
I was just reading about how to make an isopropyl extraction actually, and had some ground up cyans like 5 grams in a container so i poured alc over them, im gonna strain it out soon and eat all the crystals at once.
I might have lasting facial muscle problems from cyans. Seriously, I can not normally smile now since taking 2 oz of these over about 1 month. Now I just pretend to smile by pulling various face muscles, I figured out the trick is the eyes and only a tiny bit of cheek muscle; the cheek gets tired because not used often.
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PrimalSoup
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Uhm, no offense, but you've got that backwards. I don't think there's anything that grows in the wild with 2% psilocin - I'd be all over that shit! 
Woodlovers like Ps. cyanescens (what the OP is talking about) tend to have far more psilocybin than psilocin (by about 3:1, and up to almost 2% dried weight for some species), which is mostly why they dry and retain potency dried better than cubes - psilocin is less stable than psilocybin and degrades easily with exposure to oxygen. Tea made from fresh fruits with acidic pH (see my sig) overcomes that problem. Cubes have roughly equal amounts psilocybin and psilocin but typical around 1-1.5% dried weight total indole content. Still woodlovers will double that so they always are more potent unless you get into the more potent cube varieties.
But it makes little difference anyway, as psilocybin is dephosphorylized into psilocin by the liver and enters the bloodstream rapidly after that. Only difference is the time to onset. Once it goes through the liver it's psilocin all the way, that's what hits your brain. 
Baeocystin and its related compounds are lower %s of course but I tend to agree that they color trips from woodlovers very much differently than what you get from dung lovers like cubes. And I've had unpleasant muscular effects from wild cyans, god knows what they're actually making. 
BTW these %s came from Stamets book "Psilocybin Mushrooms of the World" but they seem much in line with what I've seen from other sources online and agree with my personal experience with different species as well.
Sorry to hear about any affective problems you've developed from high dosing on cyans. For most people those kind of side effects seem to go away with time, but I've heard from a few people where they became somehow sensitized to particular species and had to pretty much give them up to avoid the problems. Good luck. 
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Edited by PrimalSoup (12/23/13 01:53 AM)
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PrimalSoup
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Re: 2g Psilocybe cyanescens... [Re: RickyJ]
#19314445 - 12/23/13 01:55 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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RickyJ said: PS, It's definitely not a bad thing, all you have to do is make tea or lemon extract and forgo eating the fruit bodies. Perhaps you should do an alcohol extraction and make some psilly goo!
That was off of tea. I don't eat fruits since forever, tea rules. Freaking strange experience, never went back there.
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