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OfflineCrystal G
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I Don't Understand People Who Say Studying Art and Music is Worthless * 3
    #19301279 - 12/20/13 04:09 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I really truly don't understand this mentality. Millions, BILLIONS of people worldwide pay TONS of money to go to rock concerts, music festivals, the opera, the orchestra, art galleries, Broadway, museums, etc. People pay good money for art and music, since people have to entertain themselves somehow.

I really honestly wish I had studied music instead of going into finance. Had I done that, I would be a piano teacher making $50-$100 an hour, getting paid IN CASH. Or I would probably be getting paid $500 a night just to play for a couple hours in the lounge of the Ritz Carlton or something. Apparently I believed everybody who said that music wouldn't make a good career. LOL. Fuck man, I am so fucking dumb! :lol:

Plus, sometimes music and art is the only thing truly keeping us alive... when you one day realize that you feel worthless even with all your money and your career and your possessions, art and music is what gives you meaning.

Without tragedy, pain, or joy, there would be no good art or music. Which means, without art or music, there would be no meaning in life.

Alright that's it, after watching this video, I'm going to start practicing piano again.



Edited by Crystal G (12/20/13 04:16 AM)


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Re: I Don't Understand People Who Say Studying Art and Music is Worthless [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #19301284 - 12/20/13 04:12 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

+ the much misaligned 'cultural studies.'


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Re: I Don't Understand People Who Say Studying Art and Music is Worthless [Re: SuperSillyUs]
    #19301286 - 12/20/13 04:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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+ the much misaligned 'cultural studies.'




Oh I think cultural studies is one of the most important studies there is. For starters, it teaches history from a completely different perspective. It teaches you to think about the world in an entirely different way.


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Re: I Don't Understand People Who Say Studying Art and Music is Worthless [Re: Crystal G]
    #19301292 - 12/20/13 04:18 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I totally agree.

Am reading, 'How Literature Works" by John Sutherland.

A really great book.


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Re: I Don't Understand People Who Say Studying Art and Music is Worthless [Re: Crystal G] * 2
    #19301302 - 12/20/13 04:22 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

When people express this sentiment, like, "A degree in music, that's so worthless :nut:", it's just because deep down they are horrified that they and all their ilk have bought into the empty bullshit of careerism and material luxury and have neglected their own creative impulse. Or they might not have any abstract creative impulse and this is equally horrifying and damning.


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Re: I Don't Understand People Who Say Studying Art and Music is Worthless [Re: Crystal G]
    #19301306 - 12/20/13 04:24 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

thats true if you have a music degree you can definitely give lessons. but if you practice an instrument for like 5 years that's plenty of time to get good enough to give lessons provided you know how to wing it


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Re: I Don't Understand People Who Say Studying Art and Music is Worthless [Re: g00ru]
    #19301310 - 12/20/13 04:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

MMM, there's something to be said about truly 'useful' degrees. And, this is from someone with a degree in...


There's an article somewhere about a Russian fellow, has a degree in Lit, working at a coal mine....


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Re: I Don't Understand People Who Say Studying Art and Music is Worthless [Re: SuperSillyUs]
    #19301316 - 12/20/13 04:29 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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SuperSillyUs said:
I totally agree.

Am reading, 'How Literature Works" by John Sutherland.

A really great book.




Am downloading PDF sheet music of Schubert impromptu's, Chopin Nocturne's, and Beethoven Sonata's so I can catch up. IDK why but I've been really itching to play piano again recently.

I still have yet to take a trip out to Ft. Worth just to see the Van Cliburn international piano competition. It's world-famous competition, only happens every 4 years, and people fly from all over the country to compete, it's like the piano Olympics. Unfortunately they just had a winner in 2013 so it looks like their next one is not until 2017.


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Re: I Don't Understand People Who Say Studying Art and Music is Worthless [Re: SuperSillyUs] * 2
    #19301317 - 12/20/13 04:29 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

*waiting for zappa*


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Re: I Don't Understand People Who Say Studying Art and Music is Worthless [Re: Constantine]
    #19301319 - 12/20/13 04:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i will take that to mean the actual frank zappa :psychsplit:


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Re: I Don't Understand People Who Say Studying Art and Music is Worthless [Re: Crystal G]
    #19301321 - 12/20/13 04:31 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I have this one friend, whose grandpa is a highly respected conductor/conducting teacher.

I mean really, he goes around the world teaching conducting&talking in seminars etc. I have nothing but humble respect towards the guy, in his case studying music really paid off :thumbup:

E: apparently he's also a Rolf Shock Prize laureate, and he's been listed by the BBC's Music Magazine league-table as one of the "60 most powerful people in music"


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Re: I Don't Understand People Who Say Studying Art and Music is Worthless [Re: rulesq]
    #19301325 - 12/20/13 04:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Happy to say I'm pursuing my dream of a career in music! :awesome:


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OfflineCrystal G
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Re: I Don't Understand People Who Say Studying Art and Music is Worthless [Re: g00ru] * 1
    #19301334 - 12/20/13 04:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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g00ru said:
thats true if you have a music degree you can definitely give lessons. but if you practice an instrument for like 5 years that's plenty of time to get good enough to give lessons provided you know how to wing it




Not true at all. If you play for 5 years, you might be able to teach for $30 an hour at some guitar shop or something. But parents who are paying $100 an hour expect you to be able to be good enough to get their kids into Julliard. (Both my piano teachers graduated from Julliard by the way.)

Second of all, if you plan to have a music performance degree, you have to pass an AUDITION. Most people who simply learned an instrument on their own for 5 years, will not even pass this audition.

I received a scholarship and got into college despite my horrible high school grades due to how I played during my audition. Literally, the school sent me a rejection letter at first because my grades were so bad, and the only reason they changed their minds was because the music department pushed to have me in.

By age 15, I was playing Schubert's "Impromptu Op. 90 No. 2." How many people do you know who self-taught themselves for 5 years who could even come close to play a piece like this?



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Re: I Don't Understand People Who Say Studying Art and Music is Worthless [Re: Crystal G]
    #19301342 - 12/20/13 04:40 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
Quote:

SuperSillyUs said:
I totally agree.

Am reading, 'How Literature Works" by John Sutherland.

A really great book.




Am downloading PDF sheet music of Schubert impromptu's, Chopin Nocturne's, and Beethoven Sonata's so I can catch up. IDK why but I've been really itching to play piano again recently.

I still have yet to take a trip out to Ft. Worth just to see the Van Cliburn international piano competition. It's world-famous competition, only happens every 4 years, and people fly from all over the country to compete, it's like the piano Olympics. Unfortunately they just had a winner in 2013 so it looks like their next one is not until 2017.




I assume you are saying this because you know I am 'from' the Dallas, Houston, Sam Antonio area. Let me assure you, you are not missing out on much and are in fact supplying a very backward facing part of the country with very real cultural hegemony, in relation to San Francisco, and California. Blah blah as relates to the experiments of the states. California farts, and all that. A real race to the bottom...etc etc . you know the deal...


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Re: I Don't Understand People Who Say Studying Art and Music is Worthless [Re: SuperSillyUs] * 4
    #19301352 - 12/20/13 04:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Is it really just as simple as starting lessons or getting a quick gig after graduation?

I mean, if it were as simple as just walking into a six figure salary after graduating, I think there would be a lot more music majors.


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Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436


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Re: I Don't Understand People Who Say Studying Art and Music is Worthless [Re: SuperSillyUs] * 2
    #19301356 - 12/20/13 04:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It is not worthless,
but, regardless, tricky to create value
unless already backed be value
and the value it is backed by is
usually a combination of
skill, talent, money and rarity
Sometimes spending tons of money on art
is like putting makeup on the pig
which is a beautiful enough girl for a lot of people.


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Re: I Don't Understand People Who Say Studying Art and Music is Worthless [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #19301379 - 12/20/13 04:56 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Blah blah red herring,
there are jobs. Mainly in colleges.
Thanks be to God. But even those are drying up...


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Re: I Don't Understand People Who Say Studying Art and Music is Worthless [Re: badchad]
    #19301386 - 12/20/13 04:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I mean, if it were as simple as just walking into a six figure salary after graduating, I think there would be a lot more music majors.




Well, I guess I don't really know how it is for other music majors... I can only imagine that there isn't too much money if you study music theory... and I personally don't know how much jazz musicians, or wind instrumentalists would make.

But I do know that if you study the classical arts, particularly in voice or violin or cello or piano, people would pay a LOT of money for your lessons.

Unfortunately, I don't believe there would be a lot more music majors. For starters, not many people play instruments while they are young. As I mentioned before previously, you have to pass an audition to study music in college. Unless you are close to professional level by the time you apply for college, you won't be able to study music at the university level. So, most people wouldn't be able to suddenly "begin" studying music in college or change their major, it's just not that simple.

And yes, it really is as simple as starting lessons. I taught music while I was in school. I started by putting up flyers in places that children go with their parents. Places like Baskin Robbins, or the grocery store. I got 4 calls within a week, and they became my students. Then they started spreading word of mouth about me, which usually happens when parents are talking about their kids and are like, "Oh, my daughter started taking piano lessons... this teacher is really good, she got a music scholarship at bla bla bla..." and then this gets the other parents to start wanting to get their kids lessons from me too.

So after the parents brag about their kids, I would usually double the number of students I had. And I wasn't even trying to get anymore students so I actually had to turn them away, because I was already a full-time student and required to practice 3 hours a day on top of doing my GE classes.

My piano teacher from Julliard works from 9am to 9pm making $100 a day, IN CASH. 6 days a week. No taxes, man. You do the math on that one. She loves music too, even if she isn't working she's playing it or listening to it for 10 hours a day.


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Re: I Don't Understand People Who Say Studying Art and Music is Worthless [Re: SuperSillyUs]
    #19301393 - 12/20/13 05:01 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I will say though
the safest, easiest, least riskiest way to make money from art is
Youtube and the Internet and general.
Although this is an entirely different realm most of the time
than 'Fine Art' (not: I am not a fine artist, I am technically an Outsider artist: I.E. Untrained) you can still make a nice living and on occasion
make more than fine artists.

There are so many spheres of art though
So i can't tell you about the Dance sphere for instance
but even then, you best be online someway.


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Re: I Don't Understand People Who Say Studying Art and Music is Worthless [Re: Apollyphelion]
    #19301418 - 12/20/13 05:15 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Because it's a one in a million chance you'll get by.

^Unless you count streaming, mishima is good moolah, you'll have no life though.


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