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Re: I Don't Understand People Who Say Studying Art and Music is Worthless [Re: Beanhead]
#19301433 - 12/20/13 05:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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What job gives you a life, anyway;-)
I don't think it is 1 a million to get by maybe to get famous, However, fame is becoming more fragmented, evenso.
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Re: I Don't Understand People Who Say Studying Art and Music is Worthless [Re: Beanhead]
#19301435 - 12/20/13 05:20 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Beanhead said: Because it's a one in a million chance you'll get by.
^Unless you count streaming, mishima is good moolah, you'll have no life though.
Yea I agree. Relying on Youtube is..... really flimsy, you're better off having a real day job. You can always make Youtube videos in your spare time.
Best ways to make Youtube money is, if you accidentally happen to stumble onto something crazy (like a horrific accident or footage of cops beating a man), or if you are a good comedian with an entire crew and happen to make a really funny viral video. Or get a video of yourself saying or doing something really fucking stupid or offensive, that usually tends to get a lot of views.
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Re: I Don't Understand People Who Say Studying Art and Music is Worthless [Re: Crystal G]
#19301437 - 12/20/13 05:22 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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it kind of is pointless
i always took art history classes in college for easy credits and it really was complete bullshit
i had the same prof 3 times and by the 3rd time having him he hated me cuz he knew i didnt try at all lol. Cs get degrees tho
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Re: I Don't Understand People Who Say Studying Art and Music is Worthless [Re: Crystal G]
#19301438 - 12/20/13 05:23 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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My uncle has a degree in art.. Has had it for 20+ years now and has never used it. He's a car salesman.. He could have the same job without the degree and wouldn't have had to bear the financial burden of getting the degree.
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Re: I Don't Understand People Who Say Studying Art and Music is Worthless [Re: Shroomslip]
#19301447 - 12/20/13 05:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't understand arguing with idiots... endlessly.
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Re: I Don't Understand People Who Say Studying Art and Music is Worthless [Re: Crystal G]
#19301509 - 12/20/13 06:01 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Crystal G said:
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Beanhead said: Because it's a one in a million chance you'll get by.
^Unless you count streaming, mishima is good moolah, you'll have no life though.
Yea I agree. Relying on Youtube is..... really flimsy, you're better off having a real day job. You can always make Youtube videos in your spare time.
Best ways to make Youtube money is, if you accidentally happen to stumble onto something crazy (like a horrific accident or footage of cops beating a man), or if you are a good comedian with an entire crew and happen to make a really funny viral video. Or get a video of yourself saying or doing something really fucking stupid or offensive, that usually tends to get a lot of views.
I think it is less flimsier or at least just as flimsy than any other method. There is a popular Youtuber for just about anything you can think of.
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Re: I Don't Understand People Who Say Studying Art and Music is Worthless [Re: Apollyphelion]
#19301570 - 12/20/13 06:31 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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it's hard to get into the music field professionally. people are looking for performers generally, not for composers and well, people who in general have a lust for music past the inherent skill to practice an instrument for years on end to pass a stuffy audition.
performing art/music is not the same as conceiving it yourself. anyone can practice a whole lot, and deal with that aggravation... if you're willing...
but alot of these people will not make an original piece of music in their life, that gets any attention; only some will; and of course it helps to be able to play an instrument, but mostly it's the performers in major orchestrated pieces that are attracting the crowds, even if THEY don't WRITE the music.

oh well, i guess there'll always be that disconnect.
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Re: I Don't Understand People Who Say Studying Art and Music is Worthless [Re: Crystal G]
#19301613 - 12/20/13 06:49 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Crystal G said: My piano teacher from Julliard works from 9am to 9pm making $100 a day, IN CASH. 6 days a week. No taxes, man. You do the math on that one. She loves music too, even if she isn't working she's playing it or listening to it for 10 hours a day.
Are you trying to say she just doesn't pay her taxes? I would guess she probably does.
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Re: I Don't Understand People Who Say Studying Art and Music is Worthless [Re: Crystal G]
#19301891 - 12/20/13 08:39 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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badchad said: I mean, if it were as simple as just walking into a six figure salary after graduating, I think there would be a lot more music majors.
Well, I guess I don't really know how it is for other music majors... I can only imagine that there isn't too much money if you study music theory... and I personally don't know how much jazz musicians, or wind instrumentalists would make.
But I do know that if you study the classical arts, particularly in voice or violin or cello or piano, people would pay a LOT of money for your lessons.
Unfortunately, I don't believe there would be a lot more music majors. For starters, not many people play instruments while they are young. As I mentioned before previously, you have to pass an audition to study music in college. Unless you are close to professional level by the time you apply for college, you won't be able to study music at the university level. So, most people wouldn't be able to suddenly "begin" studying music in college or change their major, it's just not that simple.
And yes, it really is as simple as starting lessons. I taught music while I was in school. I started by putting up flyers in places that children go with their parents. Places like Baskin Robbins, or the grocery store. I got 4 calls within a week, and they became my students. Then they started spreading word of mouth about me, which usually happens when parents are talking about their kids and are like, "Oh, my daughter started taking piano lessons... this teacher is really good, she got a music scholarship at bla bla bla..." and then this gets the other parents to start wanting to get their kids lessons from me too.
So after the parents brag about their kids, I would usually double the number of students I had. And I wasn't even trying to get anymore students so I actually had to turn them away, because I was already a full-time student and required to practice 3 hours a day on top of doing my GE classes.
My piano teacher from Julliard works from 9am to 9pm making $100 a day, IN CASH. 6 days a week. No taxes, man. You do the math on that one. She loves music too, even if she isn't working she's playing it or listening to it for 10 hours a day.
i hope you realize this all depends on where you live
no one in downtown detroit is paying 100$ an hour for music lessons from some lady they found at baskin robbins
these ideas are nice and cute, but IMO unrealistic.
i think all degrees are worthless
im climbing the finance ladder with no degree. seems to be working just fine.
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Re: I Don't Understand People Who Say Studying Art and Music is Worthless [Re: k00laid]
#19302001 - 12/20/13 09:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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k00laid said: i hope you realize this all depends on where you live
no one in downtown detroit is paying 100$ an hour for music lessons from some lady they found at baskin robbins
these ideas are nice and cute, but IMO unrealistic.
i think all degrees are worthless
im climbing the finance ladder with no degree. seems to be working just fine.
Well of course it's relative to where you live - I don't think many people in Detroit are making $100/hr period.
I find it hard to believe that you could "climb the finance ladder" without any degree. What is your position right now and how much do you make? I have several friends in finance/consulting and they would never even look twice at you without a degree. Most firms only hire 1-2 people out of hundreds of applicants, most of whom are either engineering or commerce graduates at the top of their class.
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Re: I Don't Understand People Who Say Studying Art and Music is Worthless [Re: Crystal G]
#19302031 - 12/20/13 09:29 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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don't ever let anyone talk you out of something you have a passion for. if money's a big deal and the starving part of being an artist bothers you then think beyond lessons or the Ritz and let your imagination free. it only takes an idea and the dedication.
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Re: I Don't Understand People Who Say Studying Art and Music is Worthless [Re: pwnasaurus]
#19302043 - 12/20/13 09:34 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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pwnasaurus said:
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k00laid said: i hope you realize this all depends on where you live
no one in downtown detroit is paying 100$ an hour for music lessons from some lady they found at baskin robbins
these ideas are nice and cute, but IMO unrealistic.
i think all degrees are worthless
im climbing the finance ladder with no degree. seems to be working just fine.
Well of course it's relative to where you live - I don't think many people in Detroit are making $100/hr period.
I find it hard to believe that you could "climb the finance ladder" without any degree. What is your position right now and how much do you make? I have several friends in finance/consulting and they would never even look twice at you without a degree. Most firms only hire 1-2 people out of hundreds of applicants, most of whom are either engineering or commerce graduates at the top of their class.
youre thinking a different finance.
i give loans to people who don't really need them
also: i started 5 months ago with no experience. now im training off and on still doing customer service occasionally for 30 a year.
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Re: I Don't Understand People Who Say Studying Art and Music is Worthless [Re: k00laid]
#19302099 - 12/20/13 09:50 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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music degrees i've always thought are a bit of a waste because you can learn whatever it is from lessons/internet/meeting people/tons of practice.....I would think the most valuable thing you'd get from school would be the people you meet
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Re: I Don't Understand People Who Say Studying Art and Music is Worthless [Re: Crystal G]
#19302112 - 12/20/13 09:54 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nobody says that really. Art and music are two of the greatest things in the world!
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Re: I Don't Understand People Who Say Studying Art and Music is Worthless [Re: Moonshoe] 1
#19302118 - 12/20/13 09:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Studying art and music is worthless.
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Re: I Don't Understand People Who Say Studying Art and Music is Worthless [Re: koods]
#19302124 - 12/20/13 09:57 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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koods said: Studying art and music is worthless.

Unless you have a seriously business orientated mind and know what you're gonna do with the degree and how you're gonna do it... worthless.
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Re: I Don't Understand People Who Say Studying Art and Music is Worthless [Re: Uzziel]
#19302146 - 12/20/13 10:05 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well now there is a difference between studying art and music and getting a degree in art and music. You could easily study art and music on the side while getting a degree in something career applicable, and that would probably be wiser.
That said do what you love. Education will enrich your life and stimulate your mind, and that is never worthless.
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Re: I Don't Understand People Who Say Studying Art and Music is Worthless [Re: Moonshoe]
#19302255 - 12/20/13 10:41 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Studying something you are passionate about and enjoy is worthless
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Re: I Don't Understand People Who Say Studying Art and Music is Worthless [Re: Moonshoe]
#19302302 - 12/20/13 10:53 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Moonshoe said: Well now there is a difference between studying art and music and getting a degree in art and music. You could easily study art and music on the side while getting a degree in something career applicable, and that would probably be wiser.
That said do what you love. Education will enrich your life and stimulate your mind, and that is never worthless.
I agree with this wholeheartedly, I'm a musician but am studying Biochemistry at the moment. Especially in the current financial climate, it would be ballsy to try getting a degree in music.
Honestly a music or art degree is virtually worthless in each respective field, the highest paying jobs in both require no degree whatsoever (ex: studio exec, gallery owner) and the ones available with a degree are so low paying you'd have to be a trustafarian to get through student loan payments without a second job. A possible exception would be receiving an ass ton of scholarships but that doesn't tend to happen often.
I'm not saying it's worthless to study music and art, but it is in-debting yourself to get a piece of paper saying you studied in a prestigious location.
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Re: I Don't Understand People Who Say Studying Art and Music is Worthless [Re: Yukon Cornelius]
#19302314 - 12/20/13 10:57 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah I generally say that you should only get a degree strictly based on interest and passion in the subject if you are getting it fully paid for through parents or a scholarship. If you have to pay for the degree yourself or go into student debt you should get something with a career in it. If your education is free you can afford to do something just for love, but you don't want to go into debt and not get a good job out of it.
My field fortunately is both very interesting to me and relatively job applicable. Its not the most career applicable field but its far from the least either. Its a nice balance for me, social sciences/sociology is super interesting and cool but also has a fair number of job applications, although far less than something like engineering or applied mathematics or medicine or whatever.
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