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Offlinedark hippy
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i need help figuring out whats wrong with my brother
    #19300524 - 12/19/13 11:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

For as long as i can remember there has been something wrong with my brother, mentally. My brother is a pathological liar and compulsive stealer, and my whole family knows this and he keeps continuing to lie and steal to everyone! You could watch him steal a lighter right in front for you and he would deny it to your face. Last year my grandpa who he lives with helped him out with his car with his tax return money and he was supposed to pay him back,, NEVER did, hasnt paid him a cent and hes been living there for over 4 years, everytime they ask him theres just another "accuse" everytime. Literally nothing out of his mouth is the truth, about what he does, who his friends out. Honestly all we know him for is the lies he continues to live. 
The reason why i know something is wrong with him is because he is INCREDIBLY smart. The stuuf he is interested he could tell you the exact about it and everything. He could honestly tell you more about WW2 then a WW2 veteran could, and more. Everything about cars, planes , 80s rock bands, hes a fucking encyclopedia, and thats what gets me.. 
He refuses to go to a psychiatrist of talk to anyone about it, and weve  been trying for years for him to go. Lately his actions gotten worse and i want to get a right direction to look into helping him.

thank you all :smile:


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Re: i need help figuring out whats wrong with my brother [Re: dark hippy] * 3
    #19300527 - 12/19/13 11:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

acid in da brain

shrooms in da brain


all dat dey'll

is make him a lil sane


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Re: i need help figuring out whats wrong with my brother [Re: Sheekle]
    #19300536 - 12/19/13 11:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Psychs are not good for this guy at all. Like i think that could set odd schizophrenia in him or something


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Re: i need help figuring out whats wrong with my brother [Re: dark hippy]
    #19300560 - 12/19/13 11:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

A bit of a stretch but maybe a sociopath or sociopathic tendencies... Does he have any conscience about the stealing and lying?


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Re: i need help figuring out whats wrong with my brother [Re: theRAPeutic]
    #19300579 - 12/19/13 11:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

No conscience at all for stealing and lying.
Its gotten so bad my grand parents have to follow him round sometimes when he does shit hes not supposed to do. Hes stolen things from my apartment, my friends things from my apartment, FAMILY heirlooms to sell for money, pawned my aunts 10000 wedding ring and only got like 400 for it. He does not care for anyone but him self. No matter how much we help him he stabs us in the back everytime.


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Re: i need help figuring out whats wrong with my brother [Re: dark hippy]
    #19300581 - 12/19/13 11:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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dark hippy said:
Psychs are not good for this guy at all. Like i think that could set odd schizophrenia in him or something



http://www.maps.org/ritesofpassage/lsdhandbook.html

reed this.


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Re: i need help figuring out whats wrong with my brother [Re: k00laid]
    #19300602 - 12/19/13 11:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

He's a sociopath. Deep down, he does not care for anyone but himself. The rules do not apply to him. Does that sound familiar? If it does you can either live with it or don't.


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Re: i need help figuring out whats wrong with my brother [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #19300622 - 12/19/13 11:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Probably a sociopath but without a professional diagnosis, who knows?

Psychedelics aren't a cure-all for psychological problems.


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Offlinedark hippy
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Re: i need help figuring out whats wrong with my brother [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #19300628 - 12/19/13 11:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Honestly thats what i really think it is. But what kind of sociopath
needs in depth knowledge about WW2? Like its a scary amount  about how much he could
tell you about every single ship that was in WW2. Or another weird thing
is he could tell you how many black people were in the class of 1954-? at some random abandoned school.


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Re: i need help figuring out whats wrong with my brother [Re: sukhavati12]
    #19300635 - 12/19/13 11:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I did acid with a guy I knew was a sociopath. He pushed things so far that I started imagining myself killing him. He was destroying my house, trying to make my girlfriend get on her hands and knees to clean up after his ass. I ended up kicking my own front door in because he was threatening to break my guitar, because he thought it was funny.


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Re: i need help figuring out whats wrong with my brother [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #19300655 - 12/19/13 11:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

He is a psychopath, and most likely will be like that his whole life. Personally I think psychedelics are the only thing that could help. Nothing will change a psychopaths mind, they simply do not care about anything or anyone besides themself, nothing.


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Re: i need help figuring out whats wrong with my brother [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #19300656 - 12/19/13 11:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I've heard from a few people he went to a party once and they got him to
smoke some saliva and he flipped shit. like running around, and ran his car in the ditch


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Re: i need help figuring out whats wrong with my brother [Re: dark hippy]
    #19300664 - 12/19/13 11:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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dark hippy said:
I've heard from a few people he went to a party once and they got him to
smoke some saliva and he flipped shit. like running around, and ran his car in the ditch



Anyone who smokes salvia and runs their car in to a ditch is either not very smart for driving right after since it's such a heavy muscle relaxant, or is a complete drama queen. No that I don't believe you, but it even sounds weird to hear someone drove in to a ditch after salvia. If I cared this is where I would put in a LOLWUT pear.


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Re: i need help figuring out whats wrong with my brother [Re: dark hippy]
    #19300666 - 12/19/13 11:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

dark hippy said:
Honestly thats what i really think it is. But what kind of sociopath
needs in depth knowledge about WW2? Like its a scary amount  about how much he could
tell you about every single ship that was in WW2. Or another weird thing
is he could tell you how many black people were in the class of 1954-? at some random abandoned school.




Could be some asperger's or HFA mixed in there. But again, without a psychologist, you can't know.


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Re: i need help figuring out whats wrong with my brother [Re: SteelPanther]
    #19300674 - 12/20/13 12:02 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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SteelPanther said:
He is a psychopath, and most likely will be like that his whole life. .





That's what I thought upon reading it too. Go thru the Psychopathy checklists here, you have already mentioned a few.

http://psychopathyawareness.wordpress.com/2011/10/03/the-list-of-psychopathy-symptoms/


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Re: i need help figuring out whats wrong with my brother [Re: larry.fisherman]
    #19300693 - 12/20/13 12:08 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Sociopaths do not respond to therapy.
It can be impossible to uproot them from your lives because they will guilt the shit out of you and seem truly hurt.
In their minds, they might even BE feeling hurt, But the sentiment is twisted with entitlement with lack of empathy.  A sociopath confuses importance of relationships with importance of having resources around for them to take advantage of.
I'ts very difficult to understand the psychology,  Just imagine they have the selfishness and unaccountability of a two year old,  but the reasoning intellect of social engineer.  Antisocial behaviors such as threats of physical harm, emotional abuse,  dishonesty, and marked lack of empathy are all hallmarks.  Some schools don't differentiate between sociopathy and psychopathy.  The general difference (in my understanding) is that a psychopath seeks a reward response from the antisocial behavior, repeating and escalating behaviors to illicit misery or feelings of power over others.  A sociopath simply is a fucking asshole who doesn't give a shit about anyone, most notably, those who care about them.

Frame of reference is also important to consider.  An addict can become like a sociopath if the rewards and consequences of their addiction have gradually modified their reward-seeking perceptions to view family or friends as resources to achieve the effect of a high, or relief from a withdraw.    A wretched hated life of bad conscience that's a backseat to the addict life of chasing rewards and staying ahead of disaster.  Family and friends are fragile, inconstant rewards one becomes disillusioned with when a more reliable reward is available, particularly at the expense of those less reliable rewards;  Good health, shelter, a career, family.

A true sociopath became disillusioned with the whole prospect of rewards from healthy relationships at an early age.  High intelligence can play a factor in this.  When a child finds they have power over enabling parents and peers,  they become inculcated in a system where they are the only important thing.  They learn that rewards are quick to obtain and people are malleable commodities.  Delayed gratification is not one of their usual virtues.

Not being a sociopath,  it may seem unconscionable to disavow your relative.  For a grandparent, the feeling would be even greater,  For they are vulnerable in emotion, and physically, they cant move away, they just want to live out their lives loving their children and grandchildren forever.  Its something I feel strongly.  And I'm sure you'll agree,  But think of it as a long-delayed gratification,  to live and die in absolute love.  Nothing could be more alien to a sociopath.  The very idea that their love is a value to their grandparents is merely a philosophical obstacle to getting as much as they can, WHILE they can, to use for their own selfish indulgences.


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Re: i need help figuring out whats wrong with my brother [Re: dark hippy]
    #19300698 - 12/20/13 12:10 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

He most likely isn't a sociopath :rolleyes:  I'm not mocking you or saying he isn't, I'm just saying it's unlikely.

Is there anything else about his history that you care to share?

For instance, how old is he now?

Other stuff like information about his childhood, his relationship with his parents, you, and others would be helpful.


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Re: i need help figuring out whats wrong with my brother [Re: my3rdeye]
    #19300761 - 12/20/13 12:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Sociopathy exists on a gradient, so first, don't think he's completely one way or the other. Also, most sociopaths or people with sociopathic qualities are normal, functioning individuals. Their difficulty or inability to empathize does not always prevent them from integrating into society and behaving normally because of the obvious rewards (like not being socially ostracized or in prison) for doing this.

If your brother's mental condition cannot be changed, you can instead focus on trying to change his behaviors.

I think the best thing for you family to do is to cut him off. He's using you guys to get things that he wants, mostly money and material possessions. Your family should give him nothing and also appear as though they have nothing to give e.g. hiding finances, valuables, not talking about money. Give nothing and make him believe that there is nothing to take.

If, in the worst case, he is indeed a sociopath--most of them require constant stimulation--and stealing and lying are two ways to achieve this. Hopefully, once you prevent him from stealing from you, he will have to find a less harmful way for him to stimulate himself.


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Re: i need help figuring out whats wrong with my brother [Re: sukhavati12]
    #19300938 - 12/20/13 01:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You need to get your brother out of your life completely.


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Re: i need help figuring out whats wrong with my brother [Re: healing]
    #19301026 - 12/20/13 02:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

the thing that often makes us not ourselves is:
stress,drugs

it is natural to be happy and care about others

could be mental issues too...
but most likely just drugs, drugs makes us forget ourselves if overdone
just like stress does

makes us careless about ourselves and others
so what you are experiencing isnt really your brother likely, unless he has always been that way

it could be that he is self-medicating with drugs due to stress in his life
maybe meditation/nature , or help from family would help him

I have seen people turn around 180 degrees with that, many times
new person, or like they used to be, before they became careless with themselves/everything


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