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Re: Cubensis not fruiting? (16 days) [Re: TheLoopIs]
    #19293218 - 12/18/13 12:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

a shotgun fruiting chamber has lots of holes spaced 2 inches from one antoher, you fill it with wet perlite, and it helps to create an environment that easily allows FAE, and will retain a lot of humidity.  It requires no pumps, bells, whistles, airstones, and relatively little IQ.  They're the training wheels of FC, and are still used by lots of people on the shroomery, a testament to their effectiveness.

A monotub does not have holes in the bottom, but on the sides, and only 2 per side just above your substrate(i think), the holes are filled with polyfill to allow air exchange with the help of a fan.  They have no perlite in them, and you usually bulk your substrate in them, right on the bottom of it, inside a black bag, or something opaque.  I"m not as familiar with these, because i haven't built one yet.  Use the search bar man, it works.

to answer your other question, if you leave the lid off your terrarium, you'll lose all your humidity.


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Re: Cubensis not fruiting? (16 days) [Re: cronicr]
    #19293226 - 12/18/13 12:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

cronicr ur conciseness through all ur responses in the last few months since I picked up this hobby have been incredibly helpful, u the best. This whole community is overpopulated with niceness, i love ya guys:)


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Re: Cubensis not fruiting? (16 days) [Re: TheLoopIs]
    #19293232 - 12/18/13 12:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

thank you! when i used aqauriums(about 8 years ago lol) i put them on there sid and used trash bags with slits and had a fan running in the room:thumbup:


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Re: Cubensis not fruiting? (16 days) [Re: cronicr]
    #19296942 - 12/19/13 07:44 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

should i try misting my cakes, they seem to be dying out? Is i better to undermist or overmist?
I never understood the deal with directly misting your cakes, isn't it totally fine as long as you fan the little water droplets off the cake afterwards?


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Re: Cubensis not fruiting? (16 days) [Re: TheLoopIs]
    #19296980 - 12/19/13 07:59 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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should i try misting my cakes, they seem to be dying out? Is i better to undermist or overmist?



Neither is a good thing....and you should have been misting them regardless....

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I never understood the deal with directly misting your cakes, isn't it totally fine as long as you fan the little water droplets off the cake afterwards?



Yes, misting the cakes directly is fine, and recommended.

Mist them directly with a fine mist until they glisten, then fan out the chamber.....just enough to cycle out the old air.....you are not trying to evaporate anything, just making room in the air for evaporation to happen.

Mist again once the water you previously applied to the cakes has evaporated.


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Re: Cubensis not fruiting? (16 days) [Re: PussyFart]
    #19297026 - 12/19/13 08:20 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I only misted the walls these whole time, thanks you so much! gana mist them directly now, will update with pics


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Re: Cubensis not fruiting? (16 days) [Re: TheLoopIs]
    #19297282 - 12/19/13 09:51 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Misting the walls is pointless, they will not grow lol.


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Re: Cubensis not fruiting? (16 days) [Re: PussyFart]
    #19297312 - 12/19/13 09:59 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I always wondered why people don't look up these things before day 16. It would be easy to find directions about misting and fanning here, they're everywhere


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A SGFC has 1/4" holes spaces 2 inches apart in a grid patten on all six sides. 4-6 inches of moist perlite. No attachments made to it with any extra things like humidifiers. Optimally the SGFC should be in the middle of a room. No fans should be run in the room with the SGFC, but a cracked window is OK. A humidifier in your house can help to raise the ambient RH but don't put it near your SGFC put it in the other corner of the room if you do decide to run a humidifier at all. The SGFC IMO should have at least 6-12 inches of room from any wall on all 6 sides. This includes finding some sort of raisers to elevate the SGFC off of the surface it's on.


**Misting and Fanning.**
This is a source of much grief and 100's of posts a week here. Misting and fanning is not at all complicated as it needs to be. In general you'll mist your cakes until they glisten(yes they can even with the verm on them) and then fan right after the mist. You can mist your cakes directly and you should. When you notice the cake is no longer glistening you can mist it again and then fan. This occurs on average of 3-5 times a day. Don't worry about sleeping or being gone 12 hours. Just do it when you're around and don't forget about it is all. Fanning is not FAE it's only purpose is to relive the high RH air so that the cakes can get a kickstart on evaporation.

FAE
This is a phenomenon (Fresh air exchange) in a properly built SGFC this is constantly happening. The perlite is naturally cooler than the surrounding air this moves molecules closer to eachother as the lose kinetic energy. This creates low pressure which pulls air up through the bottom holes. As the air moves through the perlite it picks up humidity and keeps the chamber at or above 90%RH. This occurs naturally without the fanning and is why we like to have no fans in the room and is also why fanning after misting is not a replacement for FAE.

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Fanning is not a replacement for constant FAE.

You would need to fan several times per hour.



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Re: Cubensis not fruiting? (16 days) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19297404 - 12/19/13 10:25 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

the most helpful response I have ever received on shroomery, thank you. The reason is because I have spend days just lookin up abou mistin and fanning and there is a lot of contradicting info out there.thank u once again!!!!!!!!


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Re: Cubensis not fruiting? (16 days) [Re: TheLoopIs]
    #19297444 - 12/19/13 10:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You'll come to figure out what info is good and bad soon enough. You can also limit the age of posts and try to deduce which users know their shit. They usually are either Trusted Cultivators, or have a signature that kind of gives away their usefulness


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Re: Cubensis not fruiting? (16 days) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19298397 - 12/19/13 03:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

good tips, whats a signature?


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Re: Cubensis not fruiting? (16 days) [Re: TheLoopIs]
    #19298651 - 12/19/13 04:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

your says

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some have links to great info in their sigs


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Re: Cubensis not fruiting? (16 days) [Re: TheLoopIs]
    #19298803 - 12/19/13 04:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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What's difference between mono and shutgun?:/ cronicr  what is that chronic tek, did u put ar cake in glass mason jar?how do u get air exchange in that?




SGFC and Mono's are simply just 2 different types of fruiting chamber designs.

A SGFC (Shot Gun Fruiting Chamber) gets its name from the amount of holes used in it (and obviously by the way it looks). You'll find 1/4" holes every 2"s apart across all 6 surfaces. This provides you your FAE. SGFC's also make use of perlite which when piled up enough and kept nice and moist provides your humidity. Usually people use SGFC's for BRF cakes or trays.

A mono tub is primarily for the use of bulk grows. It usually uses 6 holes (anywhere from 1-2.5"s big): 2 on each longer side where your substrate would be (so closer to the bottom/middle of the tub) and 1 on each side of the box towards the top. These holes are stuffed with poly-fill and either trays or usually the whole tub is filled with substrate and the entire tub i guess you could say becomes your "cake". The stuffing allows the user to mediate the amount of FAE coming in and out while also allowing it to hold the necessary humidity. Generally the bottom holes are stuffed a lot tighter then the top ones.

So far I'd say my personal preference, even if for some reason I went back to BRF cakes, would be to use a mono tub. There r ways to gauge the amount of FAE that passes thru it and it maintains a 99%+ RH with minimal effort. No messy perlite to deal with, no respraying it to make sure it maintains its constant state of humidity, and never any excess water tripping out the bottom or anything like you can get from a SGFC.


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Re: Cubensis not fruiting? (16 days) [Re: TheLoopIs]
    #19299031 - 12/19/13 05:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I might go for the bottle tek, such a neat idea, thank u for the share!
Two questions:

What would happen if I just keep the top lids open to my aquariums? guaranteed contamination? amazing air exchange?

Which one of the teks aside from the bottle doesn't require any pumps and stuff?
Monotubes?shotguns? I can't understand the difference, the internet is constipated with too much information:x




It would be waaaay easier just to make a SGFC.  You'll get great results without any of the headache you are seeking.

See, I tried the one where you drill a bunch of holes, but it severely dried my cakes out.  I swallowed my pride, patched all 50 holes with electric tape, except for one on each side that I enlarged and jammed with polyfil.



I have left this chamber sitting for 3 days straight without so much as cracking it and I'm on my 4th flush with cased, not crumbled, BRF in coir and 3 left over tiny cakes that are blowing away any larger, stand alone cake I've had.



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Re: Cubensis not fruiting? (16 days) [Re: missy]
    #19300589 - 12/19/13 11:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

mhm I think I made way too many holes. inspirin stuff missy (thas my cats name:P). I'll cover most of my holes up:D


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Re: Cubensis not fruiting? (16 days) [Re: TheLoopIs]
    #19301756 - 12/20/13 07:46 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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mhm I think I made way too many holes. inspirin stuff missy (thas my cats name:P). I'll cover most of my holes up:D




Don't cover your holes like the above poster. It will kill all your FAE and surprisingly lower your humidity. CHEAP humidity gauges like from a pet store or hardware store are cheap garbage with no real reliability. The best bet is to get a calibratable one for cigar humidors at least you can calibrate it from week to week(necessary to keep it accurate) Any readings you get from a hydgrometer that was affordable are likely to be completely wrong.

re read this post

If closing up the holes made it work better we would all do that :shrug:

Just build it the right way and save yourself the hassle.

I've made Cubes fruit in a closed opaque tub with perlite sitting on the bottom too, but they perform way better in a proper SGFC.

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Fan after you mist.  A good rule of thumb for enough FAE is if the fruits are dry within an hour after misting.  You don't want them sitting there wet.  You don't need fans on a terrarium.  If necessary, increase the amount of holes.
RR




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Re: Cubensis not fruiting? (16 days) [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19307270 - 12/21/13 10:24 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So after 2 days of misting my cakes directly I see no change in appearence but one of them is becoming smellier I think:eek: There is no visible sign of contam though. Since I don't know what mushies are supposed to smell like maybe its normal. As I said again, they have been in fruitin chamber for over 2 weeks already, is there still any hope?They don't look bad, but maybe too much damage has been done.

Could it be dangerous to even smell the cake if it's a contam?


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Re: Cubensis not fruiting? (16 days) [Re: TheLoopIs]
    #19307594 - 12/21/13 11:41 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Most contams aren't really dangerous to you. Just dangerous to your future grows.


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Re: Cubensis not fruiting? (16 days) [Re: vikingsc]
    #19307630 - 12/21/13 11:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Most contams aren't really dangerous to you. Just dangerous to your future grows.



Not if you have good sterile technique.......


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Re: Cubensis not fruiting? (16 days) [Re: PussyFart]
    #19324914 - 12/25/13 09:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

My cakes haven't been showin much progress:confused: There where a handful of very skinny short white dicks stickin out but now they are mostly gone. Although the bigger white masses seem to be growin but not in a pin way? Could it be that I'm waterin too much? I only do I 3-4 times a day but maybe when I do it's too much...Here is my setup...


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