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Man I am depressed
#19298968 - 12/19/13 05:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I read that thread last night on the spiritual benefits of cannabis and since I already use cannabis spiritually, it was of great interest to me. I decided to get stoned and practice what was written in that document. A lot of it I had already been doing actually, it just came naturally to me but hearing someone else say it gave me the confidence that what I was doing was of real value and potential.
Anyway, I had a very deep introspective experience and I saw that I still have so much spiritual healing left to do. These days my meditation sessions both stoned and sober tend to be very painful rather than blissful, as I confront all kinds of subconscious issues I have been supressing for most of my life. Even spiritual techniques that control the mind like the Jesus prayer, can be used to suppress things by keeping the mind under such strict control.
I discovered that I have a lot of fear and anger that I haven't dealt with. Its funny because I never really considered myself an angry person and yet last night I realized I had serious anger issues which I had never dealt with.
Most of my fear issue have to do with fear of what other people think of me and fear of shame. Being such an utter failure at fitting into society has left me with a horrible self image and I am ashamed of the fact that all ive done for the past 10 years is abuse drugs.
Healing hurts.
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Re: Man I am depressed [Re: Deviate] 2
#19299022 - 12/19/13 05:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes healing does hurt and everyone needs some. Healing that is. I hope you get some relief soon. I wish that for everyone actually and for myself. I'm not expecting any miracles however. I've been working on myself for at least 40 years and honestly I haven't made that much progress. I'm going to hurt right into the grave. At that point hopefully it won't matter a bit. Fortunately since this seems to be the human condition more or less I'm just another animal whos comings and goings are nothing too important in the grand scheme. The more I realize that in fullness the easier it is to live with my emotional pain.
Oh and I think you've done more than just abuse drugs. You been trying to heal just as much then as you are now. There is no shame in that imo even if it feels that way to you.
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Re: Man I am depressed [Re: Icelander]
#19299107 - 12/19/13 05:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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to it all but especially to the last 3 lines
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Re: Man I am depressed [Re: Deviate]
#19299427 - 12/19/13 06:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Stay up brotha 
Don't take life so seriously. The past isn't real. What you remember is hardly how it actually was..Just how you perceive it nowadays.
Think of all the suffering in this world today and all the suffering over time..Your's is but a speck.
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Re: Man I am depressed [Re: cez] 2
#19299511 - 12/19/13 07:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Think of all the suffering in this world today and all the suffering over time.
You're not helping. 
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Re: Man I am depressed [Re: Deviate]
#19299565 - 12/19/13 07:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I can relate in a lot ways. Spirituality makes me happy, but at the same time, it reveals to me all my faults and my current place in the universe. It makes me realize just how far down the ladder I am which doesn't do me any good in terms of motivation. It just drags me down. Part of correcting one's faults involves the realization of one's faults. It can be really emotionally-draining. Not only that, but analyzing all the suffering in the universe can drag you down, too. It can make you very pessimistic about what you're trying to do. Every time I trip, the trip starts out as 'spiritual ecstasy' but then I always get to that point where it's an "introspective nightmare," as Hunter S. Thompson put it. I've found that I can't focus on the negatives, or they will ultimately destroy me and bring me down. Focus on the positives. Remind yourself of how far you've come. Do what you have to do to keep going. The more you care, the more it hurts. Not giving a fuck about anything is the easy way out. Caring about everything is what's emotionally difficult, but it's intrinsic to the spiritual path.
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Re: Man I am depressed [Re: Space Elf]
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Re: Man I am depressed [Re: Deviate]
#19299950 - 12/19/13 08:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Life's tough man. I would just say cheer up, but if it was as easy as it was said, you'd probably already have done it.
It's tough to become a better person and to heal yourself. It's not easy, which is why most people avoid it imo. Others are just naturals at it, lol.
As Dogen once said, "Life is one continuous mistake. We make one mistake after another." Or something along those lines. But we still try and pick ourselves up everyday and do a little better.
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Re: Man I am depressed [Re: Deviate]
#19300001 - 12/19/13 08:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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the reason we don't like our apparent faults is because they cause us suffering and inhibit our joys. to then add to this suffering and joy-inhibition by fixating on these downfalls and feeling bad about them is i think unnecessarily mean to ourselves. it's of course good to seek self-improvement, but i don't see any merit in self-flagellation . so my advice would be to lighten up and cheer up (as that itself will often illuminate our apparent downfalls into mere misperceptions. being glum can morph our view of ourselves to be more negative, which then just makes us even glummer - it's a vicious circle). maybe you aren't beating yourself up over this, but it kind of sounded like that to me in the OP. in any case, counting your blessings and cultivating an all-inclusive gratitude towards life can be very positive both immediately and into the future as one's spiritual growth unfolds i think you aren't a bad person in the least Deviate
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Re: Man I am depressed [Re: deff] 2
#19300228 - 12/19/13 09:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't know if you're 'healing' or having negative, psychotic-like cannabis experiences... which can happen.
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Re: Man I am depressed [Re: Deviate]
#19300823 - 12/20/13 12:55 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I feel for you, Deviate. So many of us are burdened with painful memories and experiences. I hope you'll be very kind to yourself as things unfold. I wish I had any kind of helpful advice, but I don't. Perhaps it would be good to reach out to (or seek) a spiritual friend.
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Re: Man I am depressed [Re: Deviate]
#19301127 - 12/20/13 02:55 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I say work it man, use your self loathing to your advantage. Write a poem about masturbating in a pool of tears in a bathroom stall during Catholic single's bingo, would get you a hot hipster chick here in Portland.
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Re: Man I am depressed [Re: circastes]
#19301141 - 12/20/13 03:04 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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circastes said: I don't know if you're 'healing' or having negative, psychotic-like cannabis experiences... which can happen.
I think it's a bit of both. Marijuana, more than any other drug, tends to drive me to the brink of insanity. But that's also where my greatest genius lies.
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Re: Man I am depressed [Re: Deviate]
#19301241 - 12/20/13 03:51 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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circastes said: I don't know if you're 'healing' or having negative, psychotic-like cannabis experiences... which can happen.
I think it's a bit of both. Marijuana, more than any other drug, tends to drive me to the brink of insanity. But that's also where my greatest genius lies.
If you could find a therapist for a MDMA session, I think there possibly is no better medicine to open up a window in a person's psyche that allow's someone to be open to their own emotions, with a loosening around the judgment and shame around what has happened, and a room to engage those memories and experiences in a very different way.
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CosmicJoke said: I say work it man, use your self loathing to your advantage. Write a poem about masturbating in a pool of tears in a bathroom stall during Catholic single's bingo, would get you a hot hipster chick here in Portland.
good advice
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Re: Man I am depressed [Re: Deviate]
#19301741 - 12/20/13 07:41 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Deviate said: I read that thread last night on the spiritual benefits of cannabis and since I already use cannabis spiritually, it was of great interest to me. I decided to get stoned and practice what was written in that document. A lot of it I had already been doing actually, it just came naturally to me but hearing someone else say it gave me the confidence that what I was doing was of real value and potential.
Anyway, I had a very deep introspective experience and I saw that I still have so much spiritual healing left to do. These days my meditation sessions both stoned and sober tend to be very painful rather than blissful, as I confront all kinds of subconscious issues I have been supressing for most of my life. Even spiritual techniques that control the mind like the Jesus prayer, can be used to suppress things by keeping the mind under such strict control.
I discovered that I have a lot of fear and anger that I haven't dealt with. Its funny because I never really considered myself an angry person and yet last night I realized I had serious anger issues which I had never dealt with.
Most of my fear issue have to do with fear of what other people think of me and fear of shame. Being such an utter failure at fitting into society has left me with a horrible self image and I am ashamed of the fact that all ive done for the past 10 years is abuse drugs.
Healing hurts.
Although I've had some incredible & amazing experiences meditating with cannabis I've also hidden exactly the same issues your describing within myself due to a decade long daily cannabis use, i'd highly recommend quitting it for a while as I've only seen benefits from doing so, that's of course if you are abusing it, maybe you're not, i'm being a lil bit of a hypocrite as i'm partaking myself in the next couple weeks, but it's because I actually want to not because i'm deep into an addiction like previously, in general quitting or cutting right down really helped open me up, id've been kidding myself if in the depth of my addiction I told myself getting high was somehow healing me in the most efficient way possible, maybe as Icelander hinted at it was the most efficient way at the time tho
I had a crap self-image for most of my life, I've found the trick is to carry no self-image at all rather than trying to cultivate a 'good' self-image, and to not worry about what 'other' people think about me by not worrying what I think about me, you can only be worried about other peoples thoughts if you're believing your own thoughts
I feel compassion for you from having been through the same things but I don't feel sorry for you as I know for a fact that the solution to every single one of your problems lies within you, from your previous posts I feel you know this to be true aswell or I wouldn't be so frank with you, all your honesty that people have been praising you for recently is actually a pack of lies, tell me again, who are you?
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CosmicJoke said: I say work it man, use your self loathing to your advantage. Write a poem about masturbating in a pool of tears in a bathroom stall during Catholic single's bingo, would get you a hot hipster chick here in Portland.
This - self-hatred is just another energy, perhaps it's the energy you need to get up to next level. Pain is usually a sign from Nature for you to change what you are doing.
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Re: Man I am depressed [Re: Middleman] 1
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Think of all the suffering in this world today and all the suffering over time.
You're not helping.  
Ditto to that. The last thing in the world someone needs to hear is that their suffering is insignificant.
When it's happening to you, your suffering is very significant. Doesn't matter whether other people consider it minor or petty.
Also unhelpful are spiritual doctrines that teach the "unreality" of suffering, as in, "Your suffering is an illusion."
Human misery and suffering is significant, real, and needs tending to.
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It depends on the person, your right most people whilst in the midst of suffering shouldn't be told it's an illusion as most of the time it wouldn't help, but for a few it could be exactly what they need to hear, who knows...
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Re: Man I am depressed [Re: Chronic7]
#19302494 - 12/20/13 11:41 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Always tell them to take 12 grams of dried shrooms.
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Think of all the suffering in this world today and all the suffering over time.
You're not helping.  
Ditto to that. The last thing in the world someone needs to hear is that their suffering is insignificant.
When it's happening to you, your suffering is very significant. Doesn't matter whether other people consider it minor or petty.
Also unhelpful are spiritual doctrines that teach the "unreality" of suffering, as in, "Your suffering is an illusion."
Human misery and suffering is significant, real, and needs tending to.
You are insignificant. Sorry bout it. You can wallow in your own self pity cause you can't find a girlfriend and have anxiety around people or you can realize how petty your suffering is..
Go to a third-world country and see if your social anxiety is still considered suffering.
Learning to get over yourself is part of the spiritual process IMO.
And I say this with as much humility as can be contrived over a web forum.. I have petty bullshit that eats at me everyday too as does everybody else I imagine. Sulking can be healing in itself and I imagine just posting this has helped you..But this is all an ego-delusion IMO that can be corrected if you allow yourself to be corrected.
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Re: Man I am depressed [Re: Icelander]
#19302594 - 12/20/13 12:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Icelander said: Always tell them to take 12 grams of dried shrooms. 
that's actually the highest dose i ever did
i would NEVER recommend that 
the trip was really heaven/limbo/hell, believe it or not i don't really tend to think in those terms but they fit it perfectly, it was bliss bliss bliss, then suddenly nothingness, couldn't feel anything, couldn't take my own pulse, which then brought on the fear & decent into hellish visions, the next day felt the best i had in a looong time
im actually introducing a good friend to shrooms for the first time soon & wondering about dosage, i know it wont be 12g!
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Re: Man I am depressed [Re: Deviate]
#19302613 - 12/20/13 12:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Deviate said: Most of my fear issue have to do with fear of what other people think of me and fear of shame. Being such an utter failure at fitting into society has left me with a horrible self image and I am ashamed of the fact that all ive done for the past 10 years is abuse drugs.
Healing hurts.
The fact that you're capable of that degree of introspection and willing to confront your perceived shortcomings automatically places you in the top ten percent tier of humankind. The vast vast majority of people have never had a truly introspective, soul-searching moment in their entire fuckin' lives.
And if that works for them, cool. No need to dig deep if you're doing fine, living on the surface.
Folks in touch with themselves recognize that they're fucked up in a whole bunch of ways. No one is not fucked up, somehow and in some way.
The gurus who have flowers thrown at their feet are very fucked up. Instead of sending their sycophant followers away (as U.G. Krishnamurti, for instance, used to do), they bask in the ego-delusion of thinking that they're somehow spiritually "advanced," and that the rest of the world is lacking in something.
Bullshit to that, I say.
You're pretty fucked-up for sure, Deviate, but I like you.
Keep posting here.
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The vast vast majority of people have never had a truly introspective, soul-searching moment in their entire fuckin' lives.
What a bunch of horseshit. That's not true at all. You really do think highly of yourself. 
Everyone has introspective moments don't kid yourself.
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Re: Man I am depressed [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said: The vast vast majority of people have never had a truly introspective, soul-searching moment in their entire fuckin' lives.
What a bunch of horseshit. That's not true at all. You really do think highly of yourself. 
Everyone has introspective moments don't kid yourself.
"Introspection," to you and yours, is contemplating who and what to be negative about at the moment.
If negativity fueled cars and power plants, Icelander, you could end global warming overnight.
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You're saying the mass of humanity "never" is introspective and you then accuse me of negativity. 
You really are special. Problem is (for you) you're wrong and don't like it being pointed out to you. You certainly don't mind pointing it out to others though.
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Re: Man I am depressed [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said: Problem is (for you) you're wrong and don't like it being pointed out to you. You certainly don't mind pointing it out to others though.
Your mama.
I'm very careful on this fuckin' board to not assume my opinions are "right" and others are "wrong." An opinion is never "right" or "wrong."
You're a perceptive person, Icelander. I've been told by various gurus and the like that I'm a "sensitive" when it comes to picking up on that stuff, and I sensed it from the get-go with you.
Devote your considerable powers to accentuating the positive, my friend.
Otherwise, your powers are squandered.
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Where did I ever assume my opinions are the correct ones? I think I make a point of stating that I'm not sure of anything at least once a month. However and just like you we give opinions because they are what we guess to be the most logical or correct. Right?
And now you're telling me, most likely because I've turned the spotlight on your possible bs that I'm not "accentuating the positive". Yet when I point similar things out to others you're mum for some strange reason. 
I'll suggest you find those gurus and slap em hard for misleading you.
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all this beauty said: Devote your considerable powers to accentuating the positive, my friend.
Negativity is great - it keeps standards up.
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Re: Man I am depressed [Re: viktor]
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Who's negative? 
Skeptical I am. Realistic I am (best guess). Not a punch puller I am. But negative?
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I'm very careful on this fuckin' board to not assume my opinions are "right" and others are "wrong." An opinion is never "right" or "wrong."
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I've been told by various gurus and the like that I'm a "sensitive" when it comes to picking up on that stuff, and I sensed it from the get-go with you.
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Anyway lets get back to OP already, dude's depressed and ego-tripping all over his thread isn't gonna help unless he has an exceptionally well developed appreciation for irony.
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Deviate said: Most of my fear issue have to do with fear of what other people think of me and fear of shame. Being such an utter failure at fitting into society has left me with a horrible self image and I am ashamed of the fact that all ive done for the past 10 years is abuse drugs.
Healing hurts.
The fact that you're capable of that degree of introspection and willing to confront your perceived shortcomings automatically places you in the top ten percent tier of humankind. The vast vast majority of people have never had a truly introspective, soul-searching moment in their entire fuckin' lives.
And if that works for them, cool. No need to dig deep if you're doing fine, living on the surface.
Folks in touch with themselves recognize that they're fucked up in a whole bunch of ways. No one is not fucked up, somehow and in some way.
The gurus who have flowers thrown at their feet are very fucked up. Instead of sending their sycophant followers away (as U.G. Krishnamurti, for instance, used to do), they bask in the ego-delusion of thinking that they're somehow spiritually "advanced," and that the rest of the world is lacking in something.
Bullshit to that, I say.
You're pretty fucked-up for sure, Deviate, but I like you.
Keep posting here.
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Deviate said: Most of my fear issue have to do with fear of what other people think of me and fear of shame. Being such an utter failure at fitting into society has left me with a horrible self image and I am ashamed of the fact that all ive done for the past 10 years is abuse drugs.
Healing hurts.
The fact that you're capable of that degree of introspection and willing to confront your perceived shortcomings automatically places you in the top ten percent tier of humankind. The vast vast majority of people have never had a truly introspective, soul-searching moment in their entire fuckin' lives.
And if that works for them, cool. No need to dig deep if you're doing fine, living on the surface.
Folks in touch with themselves recognize that they're fucked up in a whole bunch of ways. No one is not fucked up, somehow and in some way.
The gurus who have flowers thrown at their feet are very fucked up. Instead of sending their sycophant followers away (as U.G. Krishnamurti, for instance, used to do), they bask in the ego-delusion of thinking that they're somehow spiritually "advanced," and that the rest of the world is lacking in something.
Bullshit to that, I say.
You're pretty fucked-up for sure, Deviate, but I like you.
Keep posting here.
thanks. right now I am just stuck in the meaningless of everything. There is no meaning in anything aside from the meaning we assign to it in our minds. A rain drop running down your wind shield has just as much significance as winning the nobel prize.
Vanity of vanities, all life is vanity, a chase after wind. I am sick of chasing wind. It just doesn't interest me anymore. I have been trying to catch wind for 29 years with very little success.
As far as I am concerned, the only thing that can make life bearable is God's love, because love is the only thing which has intrinsic value. God doesn't need to create some artificial idea about meaning in order to feel happy. But love remains ever elusive.
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Re: Man I am depressed [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said: Where did I ever assume my opinions are the correct ones? I think I make a point of stating that I'm not sure of anything at least once a month. However and just like you we give opinions because they are what we guess to be the most logical or correct. Right?
And now you're telling me, most likely because I've turned the spotlight on your possible bs that I'm not "accentuating the positive". Yet when I point similar things out to others you're mum for some strange reason. 
I'll suggest you find those gurus and slap em hard for misleading you. 
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all this beauty said: Your mama.
I'm very careful on this fuckin' board to not assume my opinions are "right" and others are "wrong." An opinion is never "right" or "wrong."
You're a perceptive person, Icelander. I've been told by various gurus and the like that I'm a "sensitive" when it comes to picking up on that stuff, and I sensed it from the get-go with you.
Devote your considerable powers to accentuating the positive, my friend.
Otherwise, your powers are squandered.
Some people might find this annoying because you state that it's just your opinion, and then immediately backpedal and imply that you're privy to the inside dope on Reality with anecdotal evidence about what gurus have told you about yourself. Which is it?
-------------------- Everything is better than it was the last time. I'm good. If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care. It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence. I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too. If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.
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Doc Seta
Sinister Das Trip Sober



Registered: 12/18/13
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Re: Man I am depressed [Re: Chronic7]
#19308270 - 12/21/13 02:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Icelander said: Always tell them to take 12 grams of dried shrooms. 
that's actually the highest dose i ever did
i would NEVER recommend that 
the trip was really heaven/limbo/hell, believe it or not i don't really tend to think in those terms but they fit it perfectly, it was bliss bliss bliss, then suddenly nothingness, couldn't feel anything, couldn't take my own pulse, which then brought on the fear & decent into hellish visions, the next day felt the best i had in a looong time
im actually introducing a good friend to shrooms for the first time soon & wondering about dosage, i know it wont be 12g!
Was gonna say, First Time take 2 grams IMO, I like to take an 1/8th then another 4 hrs later but I have a tolerance lol
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Mahananda


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Re: Man I am depressed [Re: Deviate]
#19314280 - 12/23/13 12:10 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Deviate said: thanks. right now I am just stuck in the meaningless of everything. There is no meaning in anything aside from the meaning we assign to it in our minds. A rain drop running down your wind shield has just as much significance as winning the nobel prize.
Vanity of vanities, all life is vanity, a chase after wind. I am sick of chasing wind. It just doesn't interest me anymore. I have been trying to catch wind for 29 years with very little success.
As far as I am concerned, the only thing that can make life bearable is God's love, because love is the only thing which has intrinsic value. God doesn't need to create some artificial idea about meaning in order to feel happy. But love remains ever elusive.
If that love is available to you, then it is a deep and profound meaning to which you have access, something to greet with joy and wonder, not despair. And don't forget that in the Catholic conception, which I mention in light of your background, that love is not only always available, but it is omnipresent: God is that in which you live, move and have your being. You need only remove, in a simple and straightforward way, any barriers you yourself have erected.
Bet let us suppose it is not, and that the universe is inert, with values as we experience them merely a construct of our bodies and minds. Then in that case, there still is no cause for dejection. Rather, those would be circumstances in which you find yourself with a radical freedom, by which you can construct your own system of values, ones that affirm life as we live it and that greet the challenges of our existence with hope and courage.
Best of luck to you.
-------------------- Come, come, whoever you are. Wanderer, worshiper, lover of living, it doesn't matter Ours is not a caravan of despair. Come even if you have broken your vow a thousand times, Come, yet again, come, come
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Icelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery



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Re: Man I am depressed [Re: Mahananda]
#19314765 - 12/23/13 05:11 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Bet let us suppose it is not, and that the universe is inert, with values as we experience them merely a construct of our bodies and minds. Then in that case, there still is no cause for dejection. Rather, those would be circumstances in which you find yourself with a radical freedom, by which you can construct your own system of values, ones that affirm life as we live it and that greet the challenges of our existence with hope and courage.
excellent 
I think it may be our inability to consider and accept this possibility that brings so much pain to the spiritual seeker. Especially when we may actually see evidence for this in our lives.
BTW Welcome dooder to our little forum. I hope to see more of your well thought out and compassionate posting.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
Edited by Icelander (12/23/13 05:17 AM)
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