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Re: Man I am depressed [Re: Chronic7]
#19302494 - 12/20/13 11:41 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Always tell them to take 12 grams of dried shrooms.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Think of all the suffering in this world today and all the suffering over time.
You're not helping.  
Ditto to that. The last thing in the world someone needs to hear is that their suffering is insignificant.
When it's happening to you, your suffering is very significant. Doesn't matter whether other people consider it minor or petty.
Also unhelpful are spiritual doctrines that teach the "unreality" of suffering, as in, "Your suffering is an illusion."
Human misery and suffering is significant, real, and needs tending to.
You are insignificant. Sorry bout it. You can wallow in your own self pity cause you can't find a girlfriend and have anxiety around people or you can realize how petty your suffering is..
Go to a third-world country and see if your social anxiety is still considered suffering.
Learning to get over yourself is part of the spiritual process IMO.
And I say this with as much humility as can be contrived over a web forum.. I have petty bullshit that eats at me everyday too as does everybody else I imagine. Sulking can be healing in itself and I imagine just posting this has helped you..But this is all an ego-delusion IMO that can be corrected if you allow yourself to be corrected.
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Re: Man I am depressed [Re: Icelander]
#19302594 - 12/20/13 12:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Icelander said: Always tell them to take 12 grams of dried shrooms. 
that's actually the highest dose i ever did
i would NEVER recommend that 
the trip was really heaven/limbo/hell, believe it or not i don't really tend to think in those terms but they fit it perfectly, it was bliss bliss bliss, then suddenly nothingness, couldn't feel anything, couldn't take my own pulse, which then brought on the fear & decent into hellish visions, the next day felt the best i had in a looong time
im actually introducing a good friend to shrooms for the first time soon & wondering about dosage, i know it wont be 12g!
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Re: Man I am depressed [Re: Deviate]
#19302613 - 12/20/13 12:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Deviate said: Most of my fear issue have to do with fear of what other people think of me and fear of shame. Being such an utter failure at fitting into society has left me with a horrible self image and I am ashamed of the fact that all ive done for the past 10 years is abuse drugs.
Healing hurts.
The fact that you're capable of that degree of introspection and willing to confront your perceived shortcomings automatically places you in the top ten percent tier of humankind. The vast vast majority of people have never had a truly introspective, soul-searching moment in their entire fuckin' lives.
And if that works for them, cool. No need to dig deep if you're doing fine, living on the surface.
Folks in touch with themselves recognize that they're fucked up in a whole bunch of ways. No one is not fucked up, somehow and in some way.
The gurus who have flowers thrown at their feet are very fucked up. Instead of sending their sycophant followers away (as U.G. Krishnamurti, for instance, used to do), they bask in the ego-delusion of thinking that they're somehow spiritually "advanced," and that the rest of the world is lacking in something.
Bullshit to that, I say.
You're pretty fucked-up for sure, Deviate, but I like you.
Keep posting here.
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The vast vast majority of people have never had a truly introspective, soul-searching moment in their entire fuckin' lives.
What a bunch of horseshit. That's not true at all. You really do think highly of yourself. 
Everyone has introspective moments don't kid yourself.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Man I am depressed [Re: Icelander]
#19302854 - 12/20/13 01:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Icelander said: The vast vast majority of people have never had a truly introspective, soul-searching moment in their entire fuckin' lives.
What a bunch of horseshit. That's not true at all. You really do think highly of yourself. 
Everyone has introspective moments don't kid yourself.
"Introspection," to you and yours, is contemplating who and what to be negative about at the moment.
If negativity fueled cars and power plants, Icelander, you could end global warming overnight.
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You're saying the mass of humanity "never" is introspective and you then accuse me of negativity. 
You really are special. Problem is (for you) you're wrong and don't like it being pointed out to you. You certainly don't mind pointing it out to others though.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Man I am depressed [Re: Icelander]
#19303084 - 12/20/13 02:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Icelander said: Problem is (for you) you're wrong and don't like it being pointed out to you. You certainly don't mind pointing it out to others though.
Your mama.
I'm very careful on this fuckin' board to not assume my opinions are "right" and others are "wrong." An opinion is never "right" or "wrong."
You're a perceptive person, Icelander. I've been told by various gurus and the like that I'm a "sensitive" when it comes to picking up on that stuff, and I sensed it from the get-go with you.
Devote your considerable powers to accentuating the positive, my friend.
Otherwise, your powers are squandered.
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Icelander
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Where did I ever assume my opinions are the correct ones? I think I make a point of stating that I'm not sure of anything at least once a month. However and just like you we give opinions because they are what we guess to be the most logical or correct. Right?
And now you're telling me, most likely because I've turned the spotlight on your possible bs that I'm not "accentuating the positive". Yet when I point similar things out to others you're mum for some strange reason. 
I'll suggest you find those gurus and slap em hard for misleading you.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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all this beauty said: Devote your considerable powers to accentuating the positive, my friend.
Negativity is great - it keeps standards up.
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Re: Man I am depressed [Re: viktor]
#19303300 - 12/20/13 02:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Who's negative? 
Skeptical I am. Realistic I am (best guess). Not a punch puller I am. But negative?
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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I'm very careful on this fuckin' board to not assume my opinions are "right" and others are "wrong." An opinion is never "right" or "wrong."
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I've been told by various gurus and the like that I'm a "sensitive" when it comes to picking up on that stuff, and I sensed it from the get-go with you.
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Anyway lets get back to OP already, dude's depressed and ego-tripping all over his thread isn't gonna help unless he has an exceptionally well developed appreciation for irony.
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Deviate said: Most of my fear issue have to do with fear of what other people think of me and fear of shame. Being such an utter failure at fitting into society has left me with a horrible self image and I am ashamed of the fact that all ive done for the past 10 years is abuse drugs.
Healing hurts.
The fact that you're capable of that degree of introspection and willing to confront your perceived shortcomings automatically places you in the top ten percent tier of humankind. The vast vast majority of people have never had a truly introspective, soul-searching moment in their entire fuckin' lives.
And if that works for them, cool. No need to dig deep if you're doing fine, living on the surface.
Folks in touch with themselves recognize that they're fucked up in a whole bunch of ways. No one is not fucked up, somehow and in some way.
The gurus who have flowers thrown at their feet are very fucked up. Instead of sending their sycophant followers away (as U.G. Krishnamurti, for instance, used to do), they bask in the ego-delusion of thinking that they're somehow spiritually "advanced," and that the rest of the world is lacking in something.
Bullshit to that, I say.
You're pretty fucked-up for sure, Deviate, but I like you.
Keep posting here.
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Deviate said: Most of my fear issue have to do with fear of what other people think of me and fear of shame. Being such an utter failure at fitting into society has left me with a horrible self image and I am ashamed of the fact that all ive done for the past 10 years is abuse drugs.
Healing hurts.
The fact that you're capable of that degree of introspection and willing to confront your perceived shortcomings automatically places you in the top ten percent tier of humankind. The vast vast majority of people have never had a truly introspective, soul-searching moment in their entire fuckin' lives.
And if that works for them, cool. No need to dig deep if you're doing fine, living on the surface.
Folks in touch with themselves recognize that they're fucked up in a whole bunch of ways. No one is not fucked up, somehow and in some way.
The gurus who have flowers thrown at their feet are very fucked up. Instead of sending their sycophant followers away (as U.G. Krishnamurti, for instance, used to do), they bask in the ego-delusion of thinking that they're somehow spiritually "advanced," and that the rest of the world is lacking in something.
Bullshit to that, I say.
You're pretty fucked-up for sure, Deviate, but I like you.
Keep posting here.
thanks. right now I am just stuck in the meaningless of everything. There is no meaning in anything aside from the meaning we assign to it in our minds. A rain drop running down your wind shield has just as much significance as winning the nobel prize.
Vanity of vanities, all life is vanity, a chase after wind. I am sick of chasing wind. It just doesn't interest me anymore. I have been trying to catch wind for 29 years with very little success.
As far as I am concerned, the only thing that can make life bearable is God's love, because love is the only thing which has intrinsic value. God doesn't need to create some artificial idea about meaning in order to feel happy. But love remains ever elusive.
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Re: Man I am depressed [Re: Icelander]
#19304101 - 12/20/13 05:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Icelander said: Where did I ever assume my opinions are the correct ones? I think I make a point of stating that I'm not sure of anything at least once a month. However and just like you we give opinions because they are what we guess to be the most logical or correct. Right?
And now you're telling me, most likely because I've turned the spotlight on your possible bs that I'm not "accentuating the positive". Yet when I point similar things out to others you're mum for some strange reason. 
I'll suggest you find those gurus and slap em hard for misleading you. 
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all this beauty said: Your mama.
I'm very careful on this fuckin' board to not assume my opinions are "right" and others are "wrong." An opinion is never "right" or "wrong."
You're a perceptive person, Icelander. I've been told by various gurus and the like that I'm a "sensitive" when it comes to picking up on that stuff, and I sensed it from the get-go with you.
Devote your considerable powers to accentuating the positive, my friend.
Otherwise, your powers are squandered.
Some people might find this annoying because you state that it's just your opinion, and then immediately backpedal and imply that you're privy to the inside dope on Reality with anecdotal evidence about what gurus have told you about yourself. Which is it?
-------------------- Everything is better than it was the last time. I'm good. If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care. It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence. I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too. If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.
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Re: Man I am depressed [Re: Chronic7]
#19308270 - 12/21/13 02:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Icelander said: Always tell them to take 12 grams of dried shrooms. 
that's actually the highest dose i ever did
i would NEVER recommend that 
the trip was really heaven/limbo/hell, believe it or not i don't really tend to think in those terms but they fit it perfectly, it was bliss bliss bliss, then suddenly nothingness, couldn't feel anything, couldn't take my own pulse, which then brought on the fear & decent into hellish visions, the next day felt the best i had in a looong time
im actually introducing a good friend to shrooms for the first time soon & wondering about dosage, i know it wont be 12g!
Was gonna say, First Time take 2 grams IMO, I like to take an 1/8th then another 4 hrs later but I have a tolerance lol
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Re: Man I am depressed [Re: Deviate]
#19314280 - 12/23/13 12:10 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Deviate said: thanks. right now I am just stuck in the meaningless of everything. There is no meaning in anything aside from the meaning we assign to it in our minds. A rain drop running down your wind shield has just as much significance as winning the nobel prize.
Vanity of vanities, all life is vanity, a chase after wind. I am sick of chasing wind. It just doesn't interest me anymore. I have been trying to catch wind for 29 years with very little success.
As far as I am concerned, the only thing that can make life bearable is God's love, because love is the only thing which has intrinsic value. God doesn't need to create some artificial idea about meaning in order to feel happy. But love remains ever elusive.
If that love is available to you, then it is a deep and profound meaning to which you have access, something to greet with joy and wonder, not despair. And don't forget that in the Catholic conception, which I mention in light of your background, that love is not only always available, but it is omnipresent: God is that in which you live, move and have your being. You need only remove, in a simple and straightforward way, any barriers you yourself have erected.
Bet let us suppose it is not, and that the universe is inert, with values as we experience them merely a construct of our bodies and minds. Then in that case, there still is no cause for dejection. Rather, those would be circumstances in which you find yourself with a radical freedom, by which you can construct your own system of values, ones that affirm life as we live it and that greet the challenges of our existence with hope and courage.
Best of luck to you.
-------------------- Come, come, whoever you are. Wanderer, worshiper, lover of living, it doesn't matter Ours is not a caravan of despair. Come even if you have broken your vow a thousand times, Come, yet again, come, come
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Re: Man I am depressed [Re: Mahananda]
#19314765 - 12/23/13 05:11 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Bet let us suppose it is not, and that the universe is inert, with values as we experience them merely a construct of our bodies and minds. Then in that case, there still is no cause for dejection. Rather, those would be circumstances in which you find yourself with a radical freedom, by which you can construct your own system of values, ones that affirm life as we live it and that greet the challenges of our existence with hope and courage.
excellent 
I think it may be our inability to consider and accept this possibility that brings so much pain to the spiritual seeker. Especially when we may actually see evidence for this in our lives.
BTW Welcome dooder to our little forum. I hope to see more of your well thought out and compassionate posting.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
Edited by Icelander (12/23/13 05:17 AM)
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