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Corporal Kielbasa


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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: ferrel_human]
#19291063 - 12/17/13 11:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nice nice. I got some pumice I'd like to work with. Hmm.
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ferrel_human
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Yeah pumice its good and i was going to go that route but all my other rock is heavier and just thought it would be hbetter not to use it. But its all the same.
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runningfox2002
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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: ferrel_human]
#19295367 - 12/18/13 09:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I know im still new to everything here but logically you could go a few routes.
Test your stones by flooding water on them and monitor water evap or moistness on cloudy (most certainly wet days) and on sunny days.
Also when youd go to plant them in the rocks, you could drill a few holes and fill them up with course small grained stone or a bit of your mixtures. That way it could help support new seedlings or you could even sprout onto the small grains. This way, it has a chance to take hold and stay protected and eventually grows into the rock better. Just the idea i had when reading all this. Just so you dont have to worry about planting into an exsiting crack.
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ferrel_human
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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: runningfox2002]
#19296737 - 12/19/13 06:21 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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runningfox2002 said: I know im still new to everything here but logically you could go a few routes.
Test your stones by flooding water on them and monitor water evap or moistness on cloudy (most certainly wet days) and on sunny days.
Also when youd go to plant them in the rocks, you could drill a few holes and fill them up with course small grained stone or a bit of your mixtures. That way it could help support new seedlings or you could even sprout onto the small grains. This way, it has a chance to take hold and stay protected and eventually grows into the rock better. Just the idea i had when reading all this. Just so you dont have to worry about planting into an exsiting crack.
New to all this? Spoken like a true professional. I will most likely use a small drill bit maybe like a 3/8ths or 7/16ths. Then fill with the small grains.
I havent done this in a while and i should do it to show my appreciation to everyone. You sir get 5+.
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Mostly_Harmless
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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: ferrel_human]
#19296750 - 12/19/13 06:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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A small list of potential species to experiment with.
Cactus plants that require a compost containing limestone
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Ariocarpus All Astrophytum All Ancistrocactus All Aztekium All Epithelantha All Gymnocactus All Glandulicactus All Lophophora All Leuchtenbergia All Neolloydia All Strombocactus All Thelocactus All Turbinicarpus All Coryphantha clava Coryphantha delaetiana Coryphantha difficilis Coryphantha echinus Coryphantha erecta Coryphantha nickelsae Coryphantha obscura Coryphantha pallida Coryphantha palmeri Coryphantha pseudonickelsae Coryphantha pulleineana Coryphantha ramillosa Coryphantha retusa Coryphantha sulcata Coryphantha durangensis Cumarinia oborata Echinocactus horizonthalonius Echinocereus dasycanthus Echinocereus delaetii Echinocereus enneacanthus Echinocereus fenderi Echinocereus primolanatus Echinocereus stramineus Echinocereus nivosus Echinocereus roetteri Echinocereus erectocentrus Escobaria ducanii Escobaria guadalupensis Escobaria lloydii Escobaria sanbergii Escobaria sneedii Escobaria villardii Escobaria vivipara v all Escobaria radiosa Escobaria zilziana Echinomastus mariposensis Mammillaria albiarmata Mammillaria albicoma Mammillaria albilanata Mammillaria aureilanata Mammillaria albicans Mammillaria albiflora Mammillaria cadereytensis Mammillaria candida Mammillaria carmenae Mammillaria carnea Mammillaria chionocephala Mammillaria collinsii Mammillaria columbiana Mammillaria compressa Mammillaria crucigera Mammillaria dixanthocentron Mammillaria egregia Mammillaria flavicenta Mammillaria formosa Mammillaria gasseriana Mammillaria geminispina Mammillaria goodridgii Mammillaria graessneriana Mammillaria grusonii Mammillaria haageana Mammillaria herrerae Mammillaria humboldtii Mammillaria karwinskiana Mammillaria kraehenbuehlii Mammillaria knbeliana Mammillaria lasiacantha Mammillaria luethyi Mammillaria ignota Mammillaria laui v subducta Mammillaria magallanii Mammillaria microhelia Mammillaria meuhlenpfordtii Mammillaria mystax Mammillaria napina Mammillaria nejapensis Mammillaria nivosa Mammillaria orcuttii Mammillaria pachycylindrica Mammillaria parkinsonii Mammillaria pectinifera Mammillaria pilispina Mammillaria plumosa Mammillaria pseudoperbella Mammillaria rosseo - alba Mammillaria SB500 Mammillaria roseocentra Mammillaria sempervivi Mammillaria supertexta Mammillaria solisioides Mammillaria spinosissima ssp Mammillaria tepoxtlana Mammillaria tlalocii Mammillaria tonalensis Mammillaria viereckii Mammillaria viperina Mammillaria winterae Mammillaria wohlsclageri Mammillaria yucatanensis Mammillaria zeyeriana Ortegocactus macdougallii
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ferrel_human
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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
#19296760 - 12/19/13 06:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I added limestone to my mix so i am not growing exclusively on it. But im sure the rocks i have are limestone and will do a test run on some.
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KBG1977
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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: ferrel_human]
#19296762 - 12/19/13 06:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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He's alive!what up buddy
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runningfox2002
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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: ferrel_human]
#19297143 - 12/19/13 09:04 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I feel quite flattered. I'm just new to cacti in general and their habitats. Have a bunch of cacti seeds from three wss seed auctions I won in a row lol but only played with some columnar cacti.
It's fun to help think up innovative or creative plans like that.
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ferrel_human
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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: runningfox2002]
#19298462 - 12/19/13 03:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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KBG1977 said: He's alive!what up buddy
Working nights so most posts will be morning and afternoon. I get out christmas morning. im gonna break some rock when i get home.
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runningfox2002 said: I feel quite flattered. I'm just new to cacti in general and their habitats. Have a bunch of cacti seeds from three wss seed auctions I won in a row lol but only played with some columnar cacti.
It's fun to help think up innovative or creative plans like that. 
Well my friend, this one comment solidified you as a knowledgable person in my book.
How old would my, say strombos or aztekium, seedlings need to be before i even begin to consider growng them on a tiny hole atop my rocks? I dont want to to this like mid summer or should i wait til maybe at the end of next year? My aztekium seedlings look very healthy but tuey are only a couple months old and so are my strombos.
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KBG1977
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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: ferrel_human]
#19298499 - 12/19/13 03:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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ferrel_human said:
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KBG1977 said: He's alive!what up buddy
Working nights so most posts will be morning and afternoon. I get out christmas morning. im gonna break some rock when i get home.
Cool brother,I bet you can't wait!
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ferrel_human
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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: KBG1977]
#19298515 - 12/19/13 03:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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6 more days.
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KBG1977
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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: ferrel_human]
#19298532 - 12/19/13 03:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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ferrel_human said: 6 more days.
It will be alright At least you don't have to go to work at a restaurant in 30 minutes
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SuperD
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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: ferrel_human]
#19298689 - 12/19/13 04:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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ferrel_human said: How old would my, say strombos or aztekium, seedlings need to be before i even begin to consider growng them on a tiny hole atop my rocks? I dont want to to this like mid summer or should i wait til maybe at the end of next year? My aztekium seedlings look very healthy but tuey are only a couple months old and so are my strombos.
I'd be very curious to learn how the grower started with that rock setup that was posted a few pages back. I think the main thing is you don't want to stray too far from optimal conditions for seedlings that young if you were to transplant them onto rock at such a young age.
Avoiding direct sun would be one of the main things I'd look out for. Perhaps you could situate them in the holes, fill them in with some finely crushed rock for extra support, and then place something over it to retain humidity and give it a little shade? Obviously you'd not want to keep them covered/shaded for long periods, only long enough to safely make the transition from their current medium over to the rock medium. I'm just speculating here since this is completely new territory. There is quite a bit to be learned about all of this but that's the fun part.
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ferrel_human
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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: SuperD]
#19298740 - 12/19/13 04:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Most definitly superD. I recently removed them aztekium ritterii from the humidy and they seem to be alright. I would want to consult Dag Panco on this for sure as this is his garden.
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LSoares
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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: ferrel_human]
#19301037 - 12/20/13 02:16 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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ferrel_human said: How old would my, say strombos or aztekium, seedlings need to be before i even begin to consider growng them on a tiny hole atop my rocks?
My Strombocactus seedlings grew to about 2-3mm thick in their first year. They speed up, though, and after their third season my survivors are around 15mm in diameter. If I were to try something like that (and I may...), I would probably wet a piece of rock, spread seed over it and bag it in a light position for a year or two. Hum...
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ferrel_human
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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: LSoares]
#19347815 - 12/30/13 06:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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THIS is a revolution. Not what "other" people tout as a revolution.
I want my brother themallacht to see this.
For me it's in its infancy. I will never ever tell people to do this with all their cacti. Just me because I'm an idiot contributor. But THIS will revolutionize the way we grow cacti. It will be a slow process. And you wont see results for years. But when you do it will be beautiful.
Ok well now I sound like the other nut on here.
What I would really like to say to the the newbie cacti growers, especially the sacred growers, is one thing, dont be so quick to jump on band wagons. And I think psy did the pereskiopsis to get some full grown buttons to root out. He did an excellent job.
Never want people to think of me as some crazy person spouting nonsense any chance I get. I just dont do that and its not me. This soil revolution is something passed on to me by way of online literature. And I brought to you only through giving full credit to Dag Panco and the xerophilia team. I take credit for nothing. But its here for you to grow cacti as it should be grown, the natural way. Thank you very much. I love you all.
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modern.shaman
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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: LSoares]
#19347879 - 12/30/13 06:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I was gonna bump this thread earlier...
Here is a Blossfeldia liliputana growing on rocks with a technique suggested to you in here; by LSoares I think.
 Since you want to leave them in the open in order to protect them from floods a very tight root system would be better then tiny rocks filling the hole as there wouldn't be room for water to pool. (Not sure if I'm repeating myself :/)
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LSoares said: If I were to try something like that (and I may...), I would probably wet a piece of rock, spread seed over it and bag it in a light position for a year or two. Hum...
I'd be EXTREMELY interested in the results from this. The bacteria that 'eats' the rocks are already in/on the seeds so the seedling would have this ability. This wouldn't be an effective way of growing but if your not planning on starting a nursery than a few very natural plants from 100's of seeds in a few years would be very nice indeed.
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ferrel_human
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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: modern.shaman]
#19347910 - 12/30/13 06:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thats fuckin bad ass modern. I like what you re doing. What kind of rock you using?
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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: ferrel_human]
#19347916 - 12/30/13 06:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's not mine sorry should have mentioned that lol. I posted that image since it visualizes what it 'should' look like unless you sow directly in the cracks.
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ferrel_human
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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: ferrel_human]
#19347933 - 12/30/13 06:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Wouldnt it be cool if we grew on smaller rocks for decorative purpose? Natural cacti grown on rocks all for decoration. Maybe a new store on ebay is in order. I am really glad we got a contributer. My 3 cacti wont go nowhere. Not anytime soon at least.
Its raini g on them right now. Its just nonstop drizzle. Its gonna be one of those wet winters. So more the urgency to get my cacti into rock.
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