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Have any of you experienced a new degree of spirituality by your experiences with psychedelics?
#19297556 - 12/19/13 11:08 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have tried mushrooms a few times now and have extremely satisfied with the whole experience. However, I have subtly, yet fundamentally, changed as a person. I cannot completely define it, but I have, to some degree, become aware of and convinced there is more to life and humanity than our physical bodies; that there exists some degree of spirituality in life.
Has anyone else been dealing with, or dealt, with this? Also, any tips on sorting through this apparent existential crisis I'm going through (a book to read maybe? lol)? I've been researching and talking about it with other people, trying to find out why I am feeling the way I am feeling. People immediately start pointing to religion as what I am experiencing but I feel like it's so much more than some book people deem as "holy". Just wanted to know if anyone else is like that out there.
Thanks!
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Re: Have any of you experienced a new degree of spirituality by your experiences with psychedelics? [Re: gjbadt]
#19297561 - 12/19/13 11:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Have any of you experienced a new degree of spirituality by your experiences with psychedelics? [Re: gjbadt]
#19297699 - 12/19/13 11:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Welcome to the Shroomskies gjbadt!!!
Shrooms are notorious for producing spiritual effects within a person.
The Aztecs called shrooms "teonanácatl", which means "divine mushroom."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teonan%C3%A1catl
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Re: Have any of you experienced a new degree of spirituality by your experiences with psychedelics? [Re: Mr.Sir]
#19297700 - 12/19/13 11:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Psychedelic experiences led to a shift in my consciousness similar to what I believe you're describing. I don't think I formed too many new beliefs due to psychedelics; I certainly lost some. 
The experiences I had in my early use of psychedelics led me to seek out spiritual teachers, eventually choosing to live as a practicing Buddhist. I can't recommend seeking out a spiritual teacher highly enough.
I don't recommend eagerly seeking an explanation or worldview to prematurely conclude your current experience of groundlessness, though. You're in a very fortunate situation, not having a conceptual answer..
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Re: Have any of you experienced a new degree of spirituality by your experiences with psychedelics? [Re: hmmn]
#19299772 - 12/19/13 08:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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To keep it short, it appears that a small but growing percentage of humanity are evolving towards being able to perceive/process more and more information as the computer age accelerates, as well as towards a consciousness that can function independently of the body to connect to a non-localized network of instantaneous and infinite information exchange.
Read Robert Anton Wilson's book Prometheus Rising.
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Imagine trying to make sense of an amalgam of Timothy Leary's eight neurological circuits, G.I. Gurdjieff's self-observation exercises, Alfred Korzybski's general semantics, Aleister Crowley's magical theorems, and the several disciplines of Yoga; not to mention Christian Science, relativity, quantum mechanics, and many other approaches to understanding the world around us. That is exactly what Robert Anton Wilson does in Prometheus Rising. In short, this is a book about how the human mind works and what you can do to make the most of yours.
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Re: Have any of you experienced a new degree of spirituality by your experiences with psychedelics? [Re: blckmynnse8]
#19300091 - 12/19/13 09:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes. Ill message you.
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Re: Have any of you experienced a new degree of spirituality by your experiences with psychedelics? [Re: gjbadt]
#19300168 - 12/19/13 09:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have not eaten psilocybin mushrooms in a long time but I cannot say that I've ascended to a higher spiritual plane or anything, that feeling will always fade. I can say with some degree of certainty though that a few mushroom experiences did contribute to who I am today (as did everything else that occurred before now). I am not a spiritual or religious person, I just admit that I do not know what reality is. However I think that the universe is beyond our comprehension, and that's okay.
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Re: Have any of you experienced a new degree of spirituality by your experiences with psychedelics? [Re: GreySatyr]
#19300207 - 12/19/13 09:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Why is this a crisis? Do you feel distressed for some reason? For me it just added more depth and meaning to life. Yeah it changed my beliefs, but only by showing me that there is more than meets the eye to reality. More than anything though it just added an element of mystery rather than gave me any conclusions.
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Re: Have any of you experienced a new degree of spirituality by your experiences with psychedelics? [Re: searching]
#19300641 - 12/19/13 11:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I only meant "existential crisis" in the sense of questioning some very basic foundations of my perception of "life". Not that this is negative or I somehow feel distressed. On the contrary, I'm absolutely loving this questioning and the desire to learn that has accompanied it. I can honestly say my experiences have changed my life for the better, adding depth and meaning like you said.
Thanks for the comments. I'll definitely check out some of the material suggested.
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Re: Have any of you experienced a new degree of spirituality by your experiences with psychedelics? [Re: gjbadt]
#19301992 - 12/20/13 09:17 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Totally recognisable and normal effect. But just let it sink in. No need to start philosophizing about your existence. Give it some time.
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Re: Have any of you experienced a new degree of spirituality by your experiences with psychedelics? [Re: MightyMustache]
#19302159 - 12/20/13 10:10 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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psychs have given me some kind of greater connection to the universe.
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Re: Have any of you experienced a new degree of spirituality by your experiences with psychedelics? [Re: gjbadt]
#19302175 - 12/20/13 10:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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gjbadt said: I have tried mushrooms a few times now and have extremely satisfied with the whole experience. However, I have subtly, yet fundamentally, changed as a person. I cannot completely define it, but I have, to some degree, become aware of and convinced there is more to life and humanity than our physical bodies; that there exists some degree of spirituality in life.
For me, it was acid that drastically changed my world view. It didn't happen as you would think though. First of all, it shattered my views of what the world really is. I came to see reality for what it really is. We just happen to be a sentient being that filters its surrounding through the ego and the senses. It solidified my belief in evolution, yet I have come to believe in God TRULY. I believed in God before, but now I have a real relationship with Him. It showed me that the world isn't black and white - that you don't have to believe EITHER evolution OR creationism. To me, it makes perfect sense that God started the chain of events that is the Big Bang and the Universe.
These are just my beliefs ofcourse. Acid just gave me a clearer picture of the world.
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Re: Have any of you experienced a new degree of spirituality by your experiences with psychedelics? [Re: MightyMustache]
#19302179 - 12/20/13 10:20 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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MightyMustache said: Totally recognisable and normal effect. But just let it sink in. No need to start philosophizing about your existence. Give it some time.
Why would you say this?
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Re: Have any of you experienced a new degree of spirituality by your experiences with psychedelics? [Re: Icyus]
#19302185 - 12/20/13 10:23 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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MightyMustache said: Totally recognisable and normal effect. But just let it sink in. No need to start philosophizing about your existence. Give it some time.
Why would you say this?
I think it's good to think about your existence but you have to realize when you are overthinking things. Sometimes reality is more simple than we think. I wish I had a better ability to put that in words but hopefully someone understands what I'm saying.
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Re: Have any of you experienced a new degree of spirituality by your experiences with psychedelics? [Re: Aopocetx]
#19302628 - 12/20/13 12:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I respect that and so your opinion.. thoug I reccommend saying "know that one may easily overthink things" rather than telling someone not to.
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Re: Have any of you experienced a new degree of spirituality by your experiences with psychedelics? [Re: Aopocetx]
#19303754 - 12/20/13 04:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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My first trip was incredible insightful, not so much spiritualy but taught me how to live a better life. I realized how pretentous people are with clothes and fancy items and money, thinking these things will bring you eternal happiness, but in reality its the most temporory form there is. In the end you make your happiness, you make you life and experiences. If you veiw the world through a negative lense you life is gonna suck. Just got to put on the happy glasses and roll with it.
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MightyMustache said: Totally recognisable and normal effect. But just let it sink in. No need to start philosophizing about your existence. Give it some time.
Why would you say this?
I think it's good to think about your existence but you have to realize when you are overthinking things. Sometimes reality is more simple than we think. I wish I had a better ability to put that in words but hopefully someone understands what I'm saying.
That makes sense, even people who dont dose tend to overthink things. And when on mushrooms, your brain going in 4 million places at once its easy to do the same.
Thats why i dont like trippoin too often, my brain tends to get os muddled up i cant think straight. A month or so between to reflect is perfect.
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Re: Have any of you experienced a new degree of spirituality by your experiences with psychedelics? [Re: blackmilk]
#19304217 - 12/20/13 06:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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yes, this has completely happened with me, I have done a lot of reading on the subject, everything ive read seems to hit on subjects that ring true, but even more that are a little bit out there, or like really well defined, as soon as someone starts giving intricate details of the afterlife orspiritual realm or something weird I discredit them, this Is the problem with religion for me, the experience that birthed the religion was real, but when left to conscious interpretation, than the misinterpretation of millions afterward gets so deluded and off course. details are masturbation when it comes to this stuff, like someone else said, its practically impossible to comprehend the true nature of reality, it has to be left in speculation. Anyway, the point im trying to make, is this book I found, is seriously unbelievably amazing, it put everything I had experienced into a poetic perspective that seemed graspable to the mind, the guy takes the unexplainable, uses the clumsy tool of language, and somehow hits the nail on the head, it is called the third millennium by ken carry. I guarantee you will be blown away in ten pages or less, its amazing and will seriously help make since of the world, spiritual, physical, and the mind your trapped in. try it out.
And also, if you do try and do a lot of learning and reading about these things between experiences, and stretching the mind as much as possible while sober, your shroom experiences will play on bigger and bigger things, youl continue to be able to reach further and further, this is what im working on now.
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Re: Have any of you experienced a new degree of spirituality by your experiences with psychedelics? [Re: solo11]
#19305095 - 12/20/13 08:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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After experiencing shrooms for the 4th or 5th time my spirituality has finally begun to peek open. After I experience 2 hits of acid next weekend will my spirituality open even more or will strictly shrooms do the trick?
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Re: Have any of you experienced a new degree of spirituality by your experiences with psychedelics? [Re: gjbadt]
#19305224 - 12/20/13 09:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Listen to some Alan Watts dude
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Edited by nicechrisman (12/20/13 09:22 PM)
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Re: Have any of you experienced a new degree of spirituality by your experiences with psychedelics? [Re: nicechrisman]
#19305440 - 12/20/13 10:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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100% I was a shell of an idiotic smuck before I jumped on this road of self discovery and humbling my heart, still just a trailblazer..
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Re: Have any of you experienced a new degree of spirituality by your experiences with psychedelics? [Re: nicechrisman]
#19305453 - 12/20/13 10:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Listen to some Alan Watts dude
Woooord! Watts kicks assss. There's a good video playlist of Awesomeness .
-------------------- You have to let it go neo, fear, doubt. Disbelief
"The menu is not the meal." Alan watts “Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Heres Tom with the Weather.” Bill Hicks
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Re: Have any of you experienced a new degree of spirituality by your experiences with psychedelics? [Re: Icyus]
#19306695 - 12/21/13 07:27 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Icyus said: I respect that and so your opinion.. thoug I reccommend saying "know that one may easily overthink things" rather than telling someone not to.
Yeah you're right, that's what I should've said.
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Re: Have any of you experienced a new degree of spirituality by your experiences with psychedelics? [Re: Aopocetx]
#19306959 - 12/21/13 08:51 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I recognice that.. yay to the mindnukes!
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Re: Have any of you experienced a new degree of spirituality by your experiences with psychedelics? [Re: Icyus]
#19308238 - 12/21/13 02:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Before I began dabbling in psychedelics I was firmly against anything dealing with spirituality. Religion made no sense to me, new-age ideas seemed hokey and for the weak, and life was nothing more to me than a jumble of atoms and interactions of molecules explainable through scientific and mathematical means. After even just prolonged exposure to marijuana my views on life drastically changed, let alone true psychedelics.
I could literally ramble on for hours about my change in perspectives--I've done it multiple times with friends who now treat me like some sort of spiritual teacher--but that's neither here nor there. Psychedelics are renown for their ability to increase one's "openness" and feelings of empathy and awareness. These effects can last anywhere from a few hours to years after one's experiences. Be happy that you're one of the lucky ones who feel such a powerful transformation. I believe, at some level, anyone who tries psychedelics hope for that.
If you want any information on some of my own personal ideas, check out my blog on the matter: http://whollyuniversal.wordpress.com/. If anything rings a bell or strikes true, feel free to reach out to me and we can discuss it. I know a ton of spiritual teachers and sources I can recommend to you that run along the same veins.
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Re: Have any of you experienced a new degree of spirituality by your experiences with psychedelics? [Re: gjbadt]
#19308283 - 12/21/13 02:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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gjbadt said: I have tried mushrooms a few times now and have extremely satisfied with the whole experience. However, I have subtly, yet fundamentally, changed as a person. I cannot completely define it, but I have, to some degree, become aware of and convinced there is more to life and humanity than our physical bodies; that there exists some degree of spirituality in life.
Has anyone else been dealing with, or dealt, with this? Also, any tips on sorting through this apparent existential crisis I'm going through (a book to read maybe? lol)? I've been researching and talking about it with other people, trying to find out why I am feeling the way I am feeling. People immediately start pointing to religion as what I am experiencing but I feel like it's so much more than some book people deem as "holy". Just wanted to know if anyone else is like that out there.
Thanks!
do what you love at all times, no problems then
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try reading "the power of now"
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Re: Have any of you experienced a new degree of spirituality by your experiences with psychedelics? [Re: lessismore]
#19308322 - 12/21/13 02:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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mio said: try reading "the power of now"
This is an excellent book for anyone to read, especially those who have a newly discovered interest in the spiritual side of life, but it also has useful and practical information for people who don't care about the spiritual aspects and simply want to improve their overall quality of life. It's written by Eckhart Tolle, one of the most influential of today's spiritual leaders.
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Re: Have any of you experienced a new degree of spirituality by your experiences with psychedelics? [Re: Worgy]
#19308327 - 12/21/13 02:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well.. I have watched a great amount of hours upon hours of only youtube videos, hearing people talk. I have yet to find the time watching the man chained to the black rock, if you catch that refference..
I took the time reading your blogg, and what I found showed great promise..and I would reach out to you.. however I will come with a counter proposal, that I might give some refferences, atleast from what I read on your blogg.. though I could possibly recommend alot of other people, I have not come across one that has "gotten it all right", though I would recommend them anyway, and maybe attach a analisys of them.. ( I was not my intention to sound haughty)
Thank you for offering to share your knowledge by the way.. quite a rare thing it is, especially in this profession.. by so many names and still not one finite. Awaiting a response then..
Icyusall.
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Re: Have any of you experienced a new degree of spirituality by your experiences with psychedelics? [Re: Icyus]
#19308342 - 12/21/13 02:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks for showing some support. You're right though, there's not a single theory out there that seems to have it all right. The truth is that I hope no one ever gets it completely right. If we found a finite meaning, some one real truth, it would remove all purpose from life and turn us into machines ever working towards that singular goal even if only subconsciously. The magic is in not knowing.
The correct answer is often the simplest: the meaning of life is, at its simplest, to experience as much of the universe as you can. Never stop questioning, never stop learning, never stop trying. Do that and you'll be happy.
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Re: Have any of you experienced a new degree of spirituality by your experiences with psychedelics? [Re: Worgy]
#19308355 - 12/21/13 02:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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At the risk of sidetracking this thread..I could lecture you on that too.. Though the why is alot harder to understand... how can I contact you btw?
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Re: Have any of you experienced a new degree of spirituality by your experiences with psychedelics? [Re: Worgy]
#19322534 - 12/24/13 06:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Worgy said: The correct answer is often the simplest: the meaning of life is, at its simplest, to experience as much of the universe as you can. Never stop questioning, never stop learning, never stop trying. Do that and you'll be happy.
Well, not necessarily. There are loads of life experiences that can make one sad, such as having a drug addiction. However, I mostly agree with your statement.
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