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The highest high
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The highest high is when you're at peace with your lowest low.
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^ why so?
shaking hands with the lowest low still be level of low.
Mt. Everest would have to be where can stand the highest of highs still keeping feet on the ground.
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But if ur in America mt Everest is the lowest of lows. Truth is maybe there is neither a high nor a low but a balance. Once you've found real balance. Wouldnt that be the greatest of highs?
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physically speaking, Mt. Everest even if in America.
Nirvana Lalitavistara Sutra, beautiful writing of enlightenment.
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WhoManBeing said: ^ why so?
shaking hands with the lowest low still be level of low.
Because what is high will be brought low and what is low will be brought high. Such is the way of things. (Daoists refer to it as the "Dao.")
Everyone likes the highs. The highs are not a problem.
Mastering the lows takes some work, however.
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all this beauty said: The highest high is when you're at peace with your lowest low.
This, I would add also that it is when you're at peace with highest high.
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-------------------- "Springs of water welling from the fire" "Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."
"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions." -Thich Nhat Hanh instant "Experience always goes beyond ideas"
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Re: The highest high [Re: Sse]
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existence is true, or truth exist
so highest high is something real, like infinity in truth is objective rights in terms of freedom superiority values
what is free objectively is by definition superior, and what is superior objectively is by definition above zero constantly .. so free superiority or superior freedom existences are a highest high dimension of true objective values rights
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EternalCowabunga said: What is it?
Total relaxation of mind and body. Some call it love.
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Re: The highest high [Re: Icelander]
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Love. ding, ding, ding... WINNER
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Re: The highest high [Re: absols]
#19298945 - 12/19/13 05:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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objectively where is that opinion? something that would seem more objective would be saying something like subjectivity = objectivity. can't discern objectivity without knowing life influenced by personal feelings or opinions. objectivity may be perceived as superior from a subjective point of view, after subjectively deciding that subjectivity bruises easily(or from observation/whathaveyou); then finding solace in objectivity
-------------------- "Springs of water welling from the fire" "Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."
"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions." -Thich Nhat Hanh instant "Experience always goes beyond ideas"
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-------------------- "Springs of water welling from the fire" "Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."
"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions." -Thich Nhat Hanh instant "Experience always goes beyond ideas"
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Re: The highest high [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
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EternalCowabunga said: What is it?
Total relaxation of mind and body. Some call it love.
Some call it XTC?
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Oh I agree
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Re: The highest high [Re: Sse]
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Sse said: objectively where is that opinion? something that would seem more objective would be saying something like subjectivity = objectivity. can't discern objectivity without knowing life influenced by personal feelings or opinions. objectivity may be perceived as superior from a subjective point of view, after subjectively deciding that subjectivity bruises easily(or from observation/whathaveyou); then finding solace in objectivity 
objective is else always, like what is true is always out of different things reality... that is how what you might perceive out of being you, being else existence present like objective world in general, belong to absolute superiority ends, which is infinite existence
else superiority cannot be subjective, because subjective value is something else and not superiority subjects are to freedom value which is totally different then superiority, while it is a definitive right of existence value too
usually, superiority need to be more free, and freedom need to be more superior ... both are existence reality fact being positive present of always
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Re: The highest high [Re: absols] 1
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Diacetylmorphine. What's this thread doing in Spirituality and Mysticism?
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total transcendence of the mind, able to let the cosmic waves pass through your local quantum point as they come, no hang ups. constantly departing yet always arriving at the speed ov God.
the highest high and the only one that doesn't dissipate.
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all this beauty said: The highest high is when you're at peace with your lowest low.
This, I would add also that it is when you're at peace with highest high.
Unswayed by pain or pleasure
The very highest must be without opposite
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EternalCowabunga said: What is it?
Mt. Everest?
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Re: The highest high [Re: Chronic7]
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The Chronic said: The very highest must be without opposite
LOL. 
And without you knowing your "lowest low," my friend, just HOW do you think you would recognize your "highest high"?
It's precisely our lows that define and give shape to our highs.
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I don't disagree 
"The deeper that sorrow carves into your being, the more joy you can contain" - Kahlil Gibran
Still, if you want the infinite, you must stay beyond opposites, and want
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Re: The highest high [Re: Chronic7]
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all this beauty said: The highest high is when you're at peace with your lowest low.
This, I would add also that it is when you're at peace with highest high.
Unswayed by pain or pleasure
The very highest must be without opposite

How can one recognize it/abide in it, I wonder? By seeing that it's already here, just clouded by thoughts?
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let go of personal dichotomy and just abide, reality is there uncreated. Unitary vision
-------------------- "Springs of water welling from the fire" "Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."
"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions." -Thich Nhat Hanh instant "Experience always goes beyond ideas"
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Re: The highest high [Re: Sse]
#19302262 - 12/20/13 10:42 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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It seems all easy, but I find it hard to bring into practice.
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"our habit energies are often stronger than our volition. We say and do things we don't want to and afterwards we regret it. We make ourselves and others suffer, and we bring about a lot of damage. We may vow not to do it again, but we do it again. Why? Because our habit energies (vashana) push us."
"we need the energy of mindfulness to recognize and be present with our habit energy in order to stop this course of destruction. With mindfulness, we have the capacity to recognize the habit energy every time it manifests. "Hello, my habit energy, I know you are there!" If we just smile to it, it will lose much of its strength. Mindfulness is the energy that allows us to recognize our habit energy and prevent it from dominating us."
The Heart of the Buddha's Teaching by Thich Nhat Hanh
-------------------- "Springs of water welling from the fire" "Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."
"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions." -Thich Nhat Hanh instant "Experience always goes beyond ideas"
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"we have to learn the art of stopping - stopping our thinking, our habit energies, our forgetfulness, the strong emotions that rule us. When an emotion rushes through us like a storm, we have no peace. We turn on the TV and then we turn it off. We pick up a book and then we put it down. How can we stop this state of agitation? How can we stop our fear, despair, anger, and craving? We can stop by practicing mindful breathing, mindful walking, mindful smiling, and deep looking in order to understand. When we are mindful, touching deeply the present moment, the fruits are always understanding, acceptance, love and the desire to relieve suffering and bring joy."
"Forgetfulness is the opposite. We drink a cup of tea, but we do not know we are drinking a cup of tea. We sit with the person we love, but we don't know that she is there. We walk but we are not really walking. We are someplace else, thinking about the past or the future. The horse of our habit energy is carrying us along, and we are its captive. We need to stop our horse and reclaim our liberty. We need to shine the light of mindfulness on everything we do, so the darkness of forgetfulness will disappear. The first function of meditation - shamatha - is to stop."
The Heart of the Buddha's Teaching by Thich Nhat Hanh
-------------------- "Springs of water welling from the fire" "Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."
"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions." -Thich Nhat Hanh instant "Experience always goes beyond ideas"
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Re: The highest high [Re: Sse]
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"the second function of shamatha is calming. When we have a strong emotion, we know it can be dangerous to act, but we don't have the strength or clarity to refain. We have to learn the art of breathing in and out, stopping our activities, and calming our emotions. We have to learn to become solid and stable like an oak tree, and not be blown from side to side by the storm. The Buddha taught many techniques to help us calm our body and mind and look deeply at them. They can be summarized in five stages:
(1) Recognition - If we are angry, we say, "I know that anger is in me." (2) Acceptance - When we are angry, we do not deny it. We accept what is present. (3) Embracing - We hold our anger in our two arms like a mother holding her crying baby. Our mindfulness embraces our emotion, and this alone can calm our anger and ourselves. (4) Looking deeply - When we are calm enough, we can look deeply to understand what has brought this anger to be, what is causing our baby's discomfort. (5) Insight - The fruit of looking deeply is understanding the many causes and conditions, primary and secondary, that have brought about our anger, that are causing our baby to cry. Perhaps our baby is hungry. Perhaps his diaper pin is piercing his skin. Our anger was triggered when our friend spoke to us meanly, and suddenly we remember that he was not at his best today because his father is dying. We reflect like this until we have some insights into what has caused our suffering. With insight, we know what to do and what not to do to change the situation."
The Heart of the Buddha's Teaching by Thich Nhat Hanh
-------------------- "Springs of water welling from the fire" "Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."
"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions." -Thich Nhat Hanh instant "Experience always goes beyond ideas"
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"After calming, the third function of shamatha is resting. Suppose someone standing alongside a river throws a pebble in the air and it falls down into the river. The pebble allows itself to sink slowly and reach the riverbed without any effort. Once the pebble is at the bottom, it continues to rest, allowing the water to pass by. When we practice sitting meditation, we can allow ourselves to rest just like that pebble. We can allow ourselves to sink naturally into the position of sitting - resting, without effort. We have to learn the art of resting, allowing our body and mind to rest. If we have wounds in our body or our mind, we have to rest so they can heal themselves."
"Calming allows us to rest, and resting is a precondition for healing. When animals in the forest get wounded, they find a place to lie down, and they rest completely for many days. They just rest and they get the healing they need."
"we have to learn to rest. Lying down is not the only position for resting. During sitting or walking meditation, we can rest very well. Meditation does not have to be hard labor. Just allow your body and mind to rest like an animal in the forest. Don't struggle. There is no need to attain anything. I am writing this book, but I am not struggling. I am resting also. Please read in a joyful, yet restful way. The Buddha said, "My Dharma is the practice of non-practice." Practice in a way that does not tire you out, but gives your body, emotions, and consciousness a chance to rest. Our body and mind have the capacity to heal themselves if we allow them to rest."
"Stopping, calming, and resting are preconditions for healing. If we cannot stop, the course of our destruction will just continue. The world needs healing. Individuals, communities, and nations need healing."
The Heart of the Buddha's Teaching by Thich Nhat Hanh
-------------------- "Springs of water welling from the fire" "Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."
"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions." -Thich Nhat Hanh instant "Experience always goes beyond ideas"
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all this beauty said: It's precisely our lows that define and give shape to our highs.
too funny now I understand why all is flying under the sea
highs and lows has nothing to do with individuals .. you are a constant being you cant be through relative references superiority as well as inferiority is to objective freedom which is necessarily never one present thing while always relative to something
individual beings are totally through free wills of freedom value, the positive present you are which cant be according to something else, while all to what you enjoy doing in constant terms of being
the fact that you seem to be through some feelings of senses, is the free you are positive about .. that is why to you being angry is good to appreciate more the value of feeling being in peace.. it is your way of being through feelings, things that you never do nor realize
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all this beauty said: The highest high is when you're at peace with your lowest low.
This, I would add also that it is when you're at peace with highest high.
Unswayed by pain or pleasure
The very highest must be without opposite

How can one recognize it/abide in it, I wonder? By seeing that it's already here, just clouded by thoughts?
Yes, by seeing that YOU are already here
Just stay aware of yourself, as you already are, it's simple, natural, effortless, just being aware of yourself Most would soon think 'there's nothing there, that's boring', but you've come this far, you know it's worth it
'Remain aware of your Self and all else will be known' - Ramana
As your attention drifts with thoughts gently bring it back to effortless Self-awareness
the Self is ultimately unknown, unborn, uncreated, so don't seek to see it as a 'thing', don't seek to know it through thought, know it only through being it, by being Self-aware
Draw no conclusions
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I guess technically a person would remain objective; not influenced by personal opinions or feelings while still objectively observing others personal feelings and opinions. Then objectively it could be said for their situation, objectivity would be superior.
"Even though pious attendants and hermit buddhas claim that they understand [this single nature of mind] as the partial absence of self, They do not understand it exactly as it is. Furthermore, being fettered by opinions held in accordance with their respective literatures and philosophical systems, There are those who do not perceive the inner radiance[directly]: The pious attendants and hermit buddhas are obscured [in this respect] by their attachment to the subject-object dichotomy. The adherents of Madhyamaka are obscured by their attachment to the extremes of the two truths. The practitioners of Kriyantantra and Yogatantra are obscured by their attachment to the extremes of ritual service and attainment. The practitioners of Mahayoga and Anuyoga are obscured by their attachment to [the extremes of] space and awareness. All these [practitioners] stray from the point because they polarize the non-dual reality, And since they fail to unify [these extremes] in non-duality, they do not attain buddhahood. Thus, all of those beings continue to roam in cyclic existence, Because they persistently engage in [forms of] renunciation, and in acts of rejection and acceptance with regard to their own minds. Where [in reality] cyclic existence and nirvana are inseparable.
Therefore, one should abandon all constructed teachings,
The Tibetan Book Of The Dead
-------------------- "Springs of water welling from the fire" "Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."
"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions." -Thich Nhat Hanh instant "Experience always goes beyond ideas"
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Re: The highest high [Re: Sse]
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Nice
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Agree completely with what you said therr

-------------------- "Springs of water welling from the fire" "Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."
"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions." -Thich Nhat Hanh instant "Experience always goes beyond ideas"
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Re: The highest high [Re: Chronic7]
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Isn't the highest high just happiness? Love can be happy but it isn't always. But the term happiness doesn't mean anything else but good. Everyone's just looking for a good time or happiness. Through drugs or something.
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Is love only unhappy/unsatisfied when it is codependent?
1. Love - Development of self first priority. Toxic love - Obsession with relationship. 2. Love - Room to grow, expand; desire for other to grow. Toxic love - Security, comfort in sameness; intensity of need seen as proof of love (may really be fear, insecurity, loneliness)
3. Love - Separate interests; other friends; maintain other meaningful relationships. Toxic love - Total involvement; limited social life; neglect old friends, interests.
4. Love - Encouragement of each other's expanding; secure in own worth. Toxic love - Preoccupation with other's behavior; fear of other changing.
5. Love - Appropriate Trust (i.e. trusting partner to behave according to fundamental nature.) Toxic love - Jealousy; possessiveness; fear of competition; protects "supply."
6. Love - Compromise, negotiation or taking turns at leading. Problem solving together. Toxic love - Power plays for control; blaming; passive or aggressive manipulation.
7. Love - Embracing of each other's individuality. Toxic love - Trying to change other to own image.
8. Love - Relationship deals with all aspects of reality. Toxic love - Relationship is based on delusion and avoidance of the unpleasant.
9. Love - Self-care by both partners; emotional state not dependent on other's mood. Toxic love - Expectation that one partner will fix and rescue the other.
10. Love - Loving detachment (healthy concern about partner, while letting go.) Toxic love - Fusion (being obsessed with each other's problems and feelings.)
11. Love - Sex is free choice growing out of caring & friendship. Toxic love - Pressure around sex due to insecurity, fear & need for immediate gratification.
12. Love - Ability to enjoy being alone. Toxic love - Unable to endure separation; clinging.
13. Love - Cycle of comfort and contentment. Toxic love - Cycle of pain and despair.
http://www.silcom.com/~joy2meu/codependent2.htm
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"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions." -Thich Nhat Hanh instant "Experience always goes beyond ideas"
Edited by Sse (12/20/13 12:27 PM)
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Re: The highest high [Re: Sse]
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you don't seem to grasp the concept of objective right
another or others cant be objectively perceived, because you are someone too, then you belong to the same fact of being, same object
to be objective you must mean something else totally, like everything or something, as you are not a thing when you are a constant present conscious being, you can change you can realize something else and you can be free ... that is how truth is always objective else perspective, truth of anything or everything which is infinite possible existence
the true duality is the relation between facts and present value concepts, that are supposed to be for the same existence
the fact usually is never of value but it is the most obvious reality of something existence
the present value is always through superior freedom individualities, so conscious positive existence rights
facts must be existence rights forms and present must be objective positive realities sources
so what facts must be free and present should be real
as same existence reference
which cant be possible but truth existence, infinite fact free realities ends
when we are conscious what is the use of being ?? I am sure you cant answer that
that is why a lot of believers particularly, run to say that existence has no value, physically there cant be but negative ends, and everyone seek to be in powers over livings as being things
the only value of being, is the fact of truth being positive existence, so only what is in fact right or positively existing is a being, because it is always positive conception of being before being real
that is why creating beings is wrong, or meaning to do things is wrong
only true things must be objective, only what exist truly so positively must be real
truth is positive existence in the sense of being present
which prove totally how positive is to superiority and negative is wrong so a lie objectively when it is there
existence value is only in being constant ... which is impossible unless it is true
when existence is not constant so become negative to what it was, then reality would stop being possible and negative freedoms would be everywhere running to get positive anyways, so evil powers would be the rule
truth is beyond superiority fact, but truth is positive existence which is all the true superiority reference
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Re: The highest high [Re: absols]
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The highest high is an ever-ascending one
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Excerpts of inner dialogue III-V-VIII: "Im no saint, but I do have genuine intentions." "So you believe in intensions?" "No. I believe in being genuine." "The goal is to become more child-like, and less child-ish."
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Re: The highest high [Re: Chronic7]
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Sse said: "our habit energies are often stronger than our volition. We say and do things we don't want to and afterwards we regret it. We make ourselves and others suffer, and we bring about a lot of damage. We may vow not to do it again, but we do it again. Why? Because our habit energies (vashana) push us."
"we need the energy of mindfulness to recognize and be present with our habit energy in order to stop this course of destruction. With mindfulness, we have the capacity to recognize the habit energy every time it manifests. "Hello, my habit energy, I know you are there!" If we just smile to it, it will lose much of its strength. Mindfulness is the energy that allows us to recognize our habit energy and prevent it from dominating us."
The Heart of the Buddha's Teaching by Thich Nhat Hanh
I'm actually kicking my two habits right now, fapping and video games, on third week without both.
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The Chronic said: Unswayed by pain or pleasure
The very highest must be without opposite

How can one recognize it/abide in it, I wonder? By seeing that it's already here, just clouded by thoughts?
Yes, by seeing that YOU are already here
Just stay aware of yourself, as you already are, it's simple, natural, effortless, just being aware of yourself Most would soon think 'there's nothing there, that's boring', but you've come this far, you know it's worth it
'Remain aware of your Self and all else will be known' - Ramana
As your attention drifts with thoughts gently bring it back to effortless Self-awareness
the Self is ultimately unknown, unborn, uncreated, so don't seek to see it as a 'thing', don't seek to know it through thought, know it only through being it, by being Self-aware
Draw no conclusions
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Re: The highest high [Re: Sse]
#19312793 - 12/22/13 05:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't think codependence is the right word.... conditional sounds better.... only time love isn't great/happy/content is when it is conditional?
-------------------- "Springs of water welling from the fire" "Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."
"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions." -Thich Nhat Hanh instant "Experience always goes beyond ideas"
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Re: The highest high [Re: Sse]
#19312798 - 12/22/13 05:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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The thought of it.
-------------------- And thus begins the reverse-fusing of our one-dimentional understanding, and adds ever-expanding perspectives, in depth and number; splitting our perception, and in so doing, seemingly irrationally, creates yet more one-ness, with all that ever was, is and will ever be, streching across the infinite, inunderstood concept of everything, percievable and not.
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Re: The highest high [Re: absols]
#19312853 - 12/22/13 05:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I dunno, I guess your perceptual make up is much different then mine and I haven't understood that side of objectivity.
not based on personal feeling or opinions/having actual existence in the real world/not influenced by the mind... seems like what I said earlier would still be subjective... which definition of objectivity are you using? can you show me?
by those above definitions, nothing you say regarding mental positivity/negativity/superiority are objective; all created by the mind.. not objectively real... subjectively real yes(based on personal feeling and opinions)
objectivity is the clean slate; synonyms impartial, unbiased, unprejudiced, nonpartisan, disinterested, neutral, uninvolved, even-handed, equitable, fair, fair-minded, just, open-minded, dispassionate, detached, neutral
"when we are conscious what is the use of being?" no idea what your perceptual make up is asking here..
-------------------- "Springs of water welling from the fire" "Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."
"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions." -Thich Nhat Hanh instant "Experience always goes beyond ideas"
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Re: The highest high [Re: Icyus]
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Icyus said: The thought of it.
or held to a standard
-------------------- "Springs of water welling from the fire" "Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."
"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions." -Thich Nhat Hanh instant "Experience always goes beyond ideas"
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Re: The highest high [Re: Sse] 1
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OP, there is no highest high because there is no limit to possibility in an ever expanding and evolving playground of potential, if you think you've achieved the "highest" level or state of mind then you are robbing yourself of the possibility of experiencing more.
just align yourself with the natural progression of the universe and expansion of consciousness and ride on the cusp of your personal evolution.
~PEACE
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power to ya bro ham
its nice to test your might 
-------------------- "Springs of water welling from the fire" "Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."
"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions." -Thich Nhat Hanh instant "Experience always goes beyond ideas"
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Re: The highest high [Re: Sse]
#19313238 - 12/22/13 07:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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True success of life depends on our growth in awareness. Success is in our spiritual evolution. Success is in our kindness expressed. Success is in liberating ourselves from all kinds of dependency. Success is in gaining simplicity. Success is in knowing oneself. Success is in success itself. All material successes are temporary and transitory. They come and go and involve either happiness or sorrow, but not equanimity. And yet, equanimity in happiness and sorrow, is the true success.
MOHANJI
Equanimity - No Regrets
I got no regrets, I've lived my life a warrior like Boba Fett, so when everyone around me's Jumpin Jehosaphet! I stay well composed, don't fret Because a crooked path doesn't pose a threat to the most wet Life givin river flowing everywhere to hither where some Boats wreck, Fatally trying to steer clear from Right here, capsized by their own fear then Baptized, born again Back to the present feeling Warm again Unknown paths we are chartering just Following the nudges from the Universal stomach The gut, Cause following the mind you would plummet while I'm Standing on the summit lookin down at you like What's Wrong with the world today? I write songs that Try to take the hurt away, send thoughts that Widdle down the murder rate Wouldn't that be great? But it seems to me that fate Has another dish upon its plate So my wishes they can wait, While all the Viciousness grates upon my soul like cheddar Cheese, please oh please! make it better while I'm Wailin on my knees, beggin for release Cause I cannot find the peace of mind Needed to release the bind That I find my mind intertwined in Grindin my soul to little bits that could fit through the Hole of a needle's eye When will evil die? When a no-winged bow-legged eagle flies There will always be a thunderstorm beneath the skies Still the people rise up to the occassion Brazen, blazin a path it's amazin One family, codename: Humanity All the insanity and damaging could cease If we all just plant a tree Spreading positive seeds More love That's what all of us need
VERSE 2:
I used to live in bliss Before I even knew my name was Chris And that pure innocence is what I miss So softly as the hiss of a cat, I dream about the Day when I transform from this back to that Essence, where every single day feels like a blessin And I don't know, what the hell is stressin I'm guessin that it's Something that a grown up feels I hear that a heart that was broken then sewn up heals Eventually, it might take a century For the light rays to get to the dark place so that I'll maybe rest in peace Before the day that they lower down my casket And rot starts digestin me Or it can happen in a fraction of a second The mending of hearts gets me bendin like Beckham Over, in Joy like a witness to Jehova Feelin more lucky than the Fourth leaf of a clover
HOOK / BRIDGE (x2):
Damn, life is such a beautiful jam Lets dance, hold hands make plans Advance to the next stage, livin in the best age In the book of life its time to turn the next page
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Fresh from the inside bowels clean, liver tight Catch me living like a Downstream river might Forever flowing effortlessly The dynamo effervescent emcee Blessin the beat Always stressin unique flavor like Sesame seeds Goin back to the basics like Sesame street yes The essence is peace But bear in mind that the Stressin won't cease cause you wish it to You gotta get into the nitty gritty, Face all the shitty parts of life Stop suckling on the titty The unexamined life ain't a life worth living so Class, take out your magnifying glass And hold it to the mirror See yourself a little clearer and Ask, are you just a passenger Or the steerer of your lifeboat Headed for a final destination? If so, Then it's time for celebration!
-------------------- "Springs of water welling from the fire" "Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."
"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions." -Thich Nhat Hanh instant "Experience always goes beyond ideas"
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Re: The highest high [Re: absols]
#19313589 - 12/22/13 08:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think I may have found your definitions of objective
not familiar with it myself until now.
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a : relating to or existing as an object of thought without consideration of independent existence —used chiefly in medieval philosophy
b : of, relating to, or being an object, phenomenon, or condition in the realm of sensible experience independent of individual thought and perceptible by all observers : having reality independent of the mind <objective reality> <our reveries … are significantly and repeatedly shaped by our transactions with the objective world — Marvin Reznikoff> — compare subjective 3a
c of a symptom of disease : perceptible to persons other than the affected individual — compare subjective 4c
d : involving or deriving from sense perception or experience with actual objects, conditions, or phenomena <objective awareness> <objective data>
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: relating to, characteristic of, or constituting the case of words that follow prepositions or transitive verbs
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a : expressing or dealing with facts or conditions as perceived without distortion by personal feelings, prejudices, or interpretations <objective art> <an objective history of the war> <an objective judgment>
b of a test : limited to choices of fixed alternatives and reducing subjective factors to a minimum
-------------------- "Springs of water welling from the fire" "Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."
"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions." -Thich Nhat Hanh instant "Experience always goes beyond ideas"
Edited by Sse (12/22/13 08:46 PM)
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Re: The highest high [Re: Sse]
#19314975 - 12/23/13 06:46 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sse said: I dunno, I guess your perceptual make up is much different then mine and I haven't understood that side of objectivity.
not based on personal feeling or opinions/having actual existence in the real world/not influenced by the mind... seems like what I said earlier would still be subjective... which definition of objectivity are you using? can you show me?
by those above definitions, nothing you say regarding mental positivity/negativity/superiority are objective; all created by the mind.. not objectively real... subjectively real yes(based on personal feeling and opinions)
objectivity is the clean slate; synonyms impartial, unbiased, unprejudiced, nonpartisan, disinterested, neutral, uninvolved, even-handed, equitable, fair, fair-minded, just, open-minded, dispassionate, detached, neutral
"when we are conscious what is the use of being?" no idea what your perceptual make up is asking here..
I like the definitions you gave later to objective thing
but to reply here according to my means, being objective is the freedom individuality out of positive else existence right facts, subjects are the freedom sense, so nothing objectively, which could be positive still existence right, when it is a relative right living
but the major point that could make you understand how a subject can be objective, and I mean any subject can be totally objective, because objectivity is the exclusive existence, so it is already clear out of any conscious being, that is how everyone know everything, and anyone who deny anything is revealed and proved being lying
so the point, is else superiority.. when you realize the way of being yourself through else superior rights realizations, else being the truth so no one particularly but through anyone being and anything else reality being right perspectives, that way is objective ways, because the superior reference is else, while positive reference is self freedom result
what is objective is existence reality value, realizing objective value is being through existence right fact in truth
that is how others like you, cant mean objective value, the value reference is always yourself because you mean to be you first before opening up to everything else ... which is wrong as impossible way the more you are the more you cant relate to else concept the more you cant be true nor real
few but not only me, recognize themselves as a matter of being fact not for its value .. so by being honest with ownself .. when it is about you or ownself this is the value, the fact of being that cant be but you being there, the conscious of sitting and being, that what matter, the positive of its state being constant and right for you
the value is the only way to get in touch with else, you are not the other nor the thing you see, but you can relate with objects or others by seeing them through the concept of superiority in truth, that justify their existence being objective seen present still right realities
the concept of superiority in truth, is the fact of being in constant plus terms, always adding something right potentially, which is the reason of positive constant right objective reality still as it is the truth anyways out of nothing, the right free ways
what is new or plus from you given to out so else not you, is not about you, it is truth average ways, but unfortunately conscious stop the process of truth for itself identification as positive will, so refuse to give out anything positive to keep it all to itself
conscious hate to see others being positive.. which in a way prove how all existence is to fallacy so it cant continue.. at a point something is gonna force it to stop being .. this is of course is a subjective opinion ..
when we are conscious what is the use of being ; I was pointing how the conscious is beyond being, so being cant matter but the fact that conscious is to being true so being reality is an objective thing of existence so I wasn't asking anything, I just meant to show how there cant be an answer or a reason.. like you know how you exist without having to be a body, so why the body ? because existing is true, so being is truth fact, not about oneself
which is how according to me, conscious beings are superior to gods, because they are individuals through truth fact, so their individuality out of everything cant be a lie within being right
nothing is closer to everything then any other relative thing, because nothing can be true like everything is certainly true so nothing and everything can be right individuals free existence of positive truth, constant plus superiority
what is through truth, cannot be opposed to while it is not necessarily right, this is how the subjective value matter more for objective existence to be real
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Re: The highest high [Re: absols]
#19315793 - 12/23/13 11:32 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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so what your saying as objective is basically what is viewed (somewhat)subjectively but by all observers, so objective truth/experience regardless(though possibility of differentiation, still superior constant positivity in objectivity.)
everyone's experience would yield positivity in objectivity, after experiencing a life of subjectivity? So objectivity would be objectively superior in that sense.
So in essence objectivity in this sense is a universal (somewhat)subjective(though objective ;P) truth. Reality may be uncreated but there is an objective reality within our human creations. A bit confusing for me, haven't fully grasped it yet.
I guess people could have huge variations in their feelings of negativity, but negativity is objectively real, not distorted by personal feelings, prejudices, or interpretation, there is a negativity. Not distorted by personal feelings, prejudices, or interpretation, there is positivity. Not distorted by personal feelings, prejudices, or interpretation, there is objective superiority?
what about a persons subjective experience of the objective negative/positive reality? Positive being positive and negative also effecting positively... where then is the negativity? Its there traditionally in the form of ? Is it even negative anymore?
sorry if im misinterpreting this... my chickens haven't hatched yet.
-------------------- "Springs of water welling from the fire" "Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."
"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions." -Thich Nhat Hanh instant "Experience always goes beyond ideas"
Edited by Sse (12/23/13 12:05 PM)
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Re: The highest high [Re: Sse]
#19316965 - 12/23/13 04:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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"This is the very nature of life. No one in this world experiences only pleasure and no pain, and no one experiences only gain and no loss. When we open to this truth, we discover that there is no need to hold on or to push away."-Sharon Salzberg
-------------------- "Springs of water welling from the fire" "Life may seem to flee in a moment, but when the mind is freed of the veil of ignorance, and illusion that comes between the mind and the truth, life and death are only opposite sides of the same coin - "water welling from the fire."
"Within us, we carry the world of no-birth and no-death. But we never touch it, because we live only with our notions." -Thich Nhat Hanh instant "Experience always goes beyond ideas"
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Re: The highest high [Re: Sse]
#19317079 - 12/23/13 04:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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NO It is not what I said at all
the problem seem what your reference is god and his teachings through jesus you seem to know..
you want to impose negative as positive source, which is the print of god, when he is one only by being the free superior out of confusing all and everything positive rights for negative ends ..
what seem powerful now for you or technically possessed by livings, even eternal ones, is not positive fact ... what matter is the end while any more then ever look negative now infinitely
I never mention anything about subjective perspectives... this is your words out of mines.. you shouldn't do that... if you don't see positively what I say, then do your own sense, don't deform others words for your means
I said, for intelligent people they can see it logically, how superior way is the objective way ... it stays limited because infinite superiority cant be reached ... while truth is infinite positive right ways ... but I said clearly how in concept it is in a way reachable like the same fact end ... by conceiving else superiority in whatever you see or not see, you are definitely being objective, because truth is positive constant facts, so what you are giving to superior existence from nothing but free will, is pointing the positive you are always
this is how at the end, truth is simple, it is about the positive you can be without nothing at all the positive truth being all values reasons
again I repeat, a lot of people for instance are that positive clearly, but you might not see it objectively because of evil ways to abuse rights livings or beings
at the end.. only positive will exist .. it is simple fact that obviously will get there at the end, the only thing free truly that don't need anything else, truth superiority, like how what is true is really present and what is present is positive always and what is always is superior means infinitely ... etc... it all goes down to being true or to truth value
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Re: The highest high [Re: absols]
#19317096 - 12/23/13 04:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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ay dios mios
so much misconstruction... where to begin :p
also I never deformed your words or projected my thoughts onto you, those are my words... read again.
Where I drew subjectivity from was how the relatable definitions I posted read at the end (compare to subjective)
basically me trying to interpret those definitions.
just an fyi, I almost never understand what you are saying.. so, much of what you say goes by the waste side, unfortunately... because I think if I could understand what you were saying there may be some insight or at least grist for the mill for me
I don't deny that objectivity is superior in many senses, my denial was of the objectivity of these words... which I am just now finding that there are other seemingly more complicated definitions.... my comprehension isn't what it used to be so I am having trouble grasping those other definitions.
"Wisdom sees that light and dark are inseparable and that shadows are also light"
if in the end only positive exists then doesn't it cease to be positive? objectively it just is... no real label for it if there are no contrasts or subjective relation(I guess if there is an objective positive this isn't correct).... just a middle ground... existence as is... shaped by what was?
What about the people who live in ignorance and are blissful in their subjectivity? Wrapping their heads around or actualizing objectivity may seem to them inferior... they are quite content in their personal feelings and opinions?
Can you give me some clear cut examples of a positive being objective, a negative being objective? especially would like to hear about the objective negative: is it basically all traditional negatives? murder? pain? rape? molestation? car wrecks? etc.? Something perceived by most as a negative experience? But surely not a negative end... except for murder and such, it could end negatively hehe
then objective superiority due to constant positive end
objective positives... all the imaginable traditional positives and such
that makes sense I suppose
is it basically the gist of what this is saying...
"This is the very nature of life. No one in this world experiences only pleasure and no pain, and no one experiences only gain and no loss. When we open to this truth, we discover that there is no need to hold on or to push away."-Sharon Salzberg
that no one in this world experiences only pleasure and no pain... no one experiences only positive and no negative? So there is an objective positive and an objective negative... though the interpretation of them vary greatly.... objectively no matter who you are, there will be both pain and pleasure experienced(possibly). Objective fact of human existence? Though I don't have that gods eye view so as far I know there could be a blissed out person since birth or a person only experiencing pain since birth...
regardless no need to hold on to or push away either negative or positive... not being carried away by both... or observing them unbiased is the objectivity that I know. Eventually id imagine adhering that practice would lead to unitary vision(seeing the one in the all, all in the one; then negativity dissolves into the sea of joy immediately, not restrictive, much is out of ignorance fueled by conditions/subjectivity, things you may think of as an evil being may just be a person whose conditions have formed in such a way and that can be empathized with; because from what I can tell if you underwent the same exact genetic/environment conditions you would be the exact same, no inherent evil that I can see... seems all conditional)... become like a mighty oak tree unswayable... peace and happiness in what is(based on the discernment)... no adherence to personal feelings or opinions, no concrete self labels... just "innumerous impersonal processes"
also I think depending on your interpretation you could even say subjectivity is superior... what else is going to wake you up.
though objectively i'm still seeing subjectivity = objectivity
and to remain objective completely seems like a hassle... id still like to have my subjective experiences... beauty, tastes, personality... just be happy in what is with the insight to know when detachment is beneficial/conducive, no reason to get rid of the beauty imo. Even the Buddha commented before his death how beautiful the world is... the point is to dwell/cultivate happily in whatever life hands you... not to become sensory void/rock
experiences no experiencer, actions no actor... eventually you reach the plateau of evenness, true equanimity, bound/confined by nothing, free expanse of mind, the uncreated is realized. Unitary equitable vision... only the wholesome cultivates
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Re: The highest high [Re: Sse]
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Lots of awesome responses!
I think love is the highest high, and fear is the lowest low.
Love comes after you find peace within yourself.
Peace comes from being aware of and dealing with your feelings in an honest and genuine fashion. That way you can let go of harmful emotional hangups that crowd your mind and cloud your vision.
-------------------- John 4:14 - but whoever drinks the water I give them will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give them will become in them a spring of water welling up to eternal life.” - Jesus Christ "People think love is an emotion. Love is good sense." - Ken Kesey If you get confused, listen to the music play! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6E5JkPMB2DY[/url] https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QTPndsG_KA4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6bM4XfqRRQ
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