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Re: Slaughterhouses [Re: rulesq]
    #19296950 - 12/19/13 07:49 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

at least the animals die quickly, i hope to be so lucky.
chickens raised for laying eggs live in much worse conditions then those who are raised for butchering, and then die slowly.
dairy farm are not too pleasant either.

if given the choice between slowly dying of a disease or old age or whatever, and being slaughtered and eaten, i'll take the quick death.


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Re: Slaughterhouses [Re: Set] * 1
    #19297069 - 12/19/13 08:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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There are rituals present in slaughterhouses sometimes.  It's called "kosher".



I understand that's the most inhumane way of slaughtering animals too. Instead of a quick shot with a pneumadic bolt gun they get their throat slit open and hoisted up in the air by their hind legs to drain the blood. While there are better ways and more humane ways to slaughter animals it should be made a crime to slaughter animals in the kosher way. There's no reason to tolerate these savages torturing animals to death in a sadistic tribal ritul when they can get a quick shot and have no misery.


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Re: Slaughterhouses [Re: OliverJames]
    #19297072 - 12/19/13 08:37 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I do hope though that in the future, we improve our slaughter houses, right now they just look disgustingly industrial. I've got a bias against stuff like that though.

Thoughts?




i think you are misguided

when you kill a buffalo with a bow and arrow, or even a gun

you dont kill it instantly

you aim for a major organ and then the buffalo bleeds out over a long period of time. miles upon miles of chasing a bleeding out buffalo

in a slaughterhouse they put a metal rod through its forehead and the animal is instantly dead.


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Re: Slaughterhouses [Re: OliverJames]
    #19297184 - 12/19/13 09:19 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Are you saying slaughterhouses aren't necessary? I don't see how they couldnt be, there are a ton of people who eat meat and the animals gotta be prepared somehow.



That's the thing, though, you don't have to eat meat. In fact, it would vastly improve quality of life on the planet if nobody did.

It's not just about how the animals die, either. At least when hunted they have a chance to escape, and can live their lives in freedom. An animal in a factory farm is born to be eaten and is raised in suffering, under whatever conditions are cheapest for the company.


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Re: Slaughterhouses [Re: OliverJames]
    #19297211 - 12/19/13 09:26 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Uncomfortable?

The modern day slaughter house utilizes much more of the animal for the benefit of man and animal  than the Indians ever could have dreamed of.


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Re: Slaughterhouses [Re: GabbaDj] * 2
    #19297232 - 12/19/13 09:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Make no mistake, nothing in a slaughterhouse is designed for the "benefit of the animal."

Again, it's just whatever is most cost efficient. A lot of times, for example, chickens are tossed alive into scalding water to defeather them, and pigs are often skinned alive because their throats were incompletely cut and they don't want to stop the processing line to finish them off.


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Re: Slaughterhouses [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #19297239 - 12/19/13 09:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Set said:
There are rituals present in slaughterhouses sometimes.  It's called "kosher".



I understand that's the most inhumane way of slaughtering animals too. Instead of a quick shot with a pneumadic bolt gun they get their throat slit open and hoisted up in the air by their hind legs to drain the blood. While there are better ways and more humane ways to slaughter animals it should be made a crime to slaughter animals in the kosher way. There's no reason to tolerate these savages torturing animals to death in a sadistic tribal ritul when they can get a quick shot and have no misery.




The kosher way allows suffering to the animal.  Current modern methods require a much quicker death before processing.  Neither are perfect.

It's time to realize that we have too many people on the planet to organize feeding all of us using "the old ways".


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Re: Slaughterhouses [Re: NetDiver]
    #19297246 - 12/19/13 09:38 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Make no mistake, nothing in a slaughterhouse is designed for the "benefit of the animal."

Again, it's just whatever is most cost efficient. A lot of times, for example, chickens are tossed alive into scalding water to defeather them, and pigs are often skinned alive because their throats were incompletely cut and they don't want to stop the processing line to finish them off.




I will dare you to keep a pet chicken for one year.  Not just kept for food or eggs, you keep a chicken as a pet for one year. 

Then you come back and say that it was worth it.


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Re: Slaughterhouses [Re: GabbaDj]
    #19297254 - 12/19/13 09:40 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Meat itself is actually a pretty inefficient way to feed our exploding population. It takes a lot more plants to sustain most of the animals that we raise for food than it does to sustain ourselves.

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At present, the US livestock population consumes more than 7 times as much grain as is consumed directly by the entire American population (11). The amount of grains fed to US livestock is sufficient to feed about 840 million people who follow a plant-based diet (7).




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Re: Slaughterhouses [Re: NetDiver] * 3
    #19297410 - 12/19/13 10:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

But meat is 1000x more tasty.


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Re: Slaughterhouses [Re: GabbaDj] * 2
    #19297698 - 12/19/13 11:58 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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The modern day slaughter house utilizes much more of the animal for the benefit of man and animal  than the Indians ever could have dreamed of.





:lol:

Good one.


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Re: Slaughterhouses [Re: NetDiver]
    #19297905 - 12/19/13 12:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Are you saying slaughterhouses aren't necessary? I don't see how they couldnt be, there are a ton of people who eat meat and the animals gotta be prepared somehow.



That's the thing, though, you don't have to eat meat. In fact, it would vastly improve quality of life on the planet if nobody did.

It's not just about how the animals die, either. At least when hunted they have a chance to escape, and can live their lives in freedom. An animal in a factory farm is born to be eaten and is raised in suffering, under whatever conditions are cheapest for the company.



Hahahaa let me guess, you are a strict vegan on your way to enlightenment? Get your pop culture, elitest shit out of here.
Human's were meant to eat meat whether you like it or not


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Re: Slaughterhouses [Re: unknown1123]
    #19297912 - 12/19/13 12:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Meant to? Get your intelligent design shit out of here.


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Re: Slaughterhouses [Re: KremrBigSikter] * 1
    #19297958 - 12/19/13 01:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Meant to? Get your intelligent design shit out of here.



Look at  your teeth and the way our digestive system works. You'd be unintelligent to come to a different conclusion elsewise.


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Re: Slaughterhouses [Re: unknown1123] * 1
    #19297979 - 12/19/13 01:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Humans don't have predator teeth. Humans have very long digestive tracts. Humans evolved from vegetarian animals (that probably ate insects etc as well), fleshy meat is a relatively recent thing, and it's entirely possible to do without it.

If you want to eat meat that's your problem. Don't say it's necessary. And I have no idea what "pop culture" and "elitist" are supposed to mean.


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Re: Slaughterhouses [Re: KremrBigSikter]
    #19298037 - 12/19/13 01:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Humans don't have predator teeth. Humans have very long digestive tracts. Humans evolved from vegetarian animals (that probably ate insects etc as well), fleshy meat is a relatively recent thing, and it's entirely possible to do without it.

If you want to eat meat that's your problem. Don't say it's necessary. And I have no idea what "pop culture" and "elitist" are supposed to mean.



Humans are really just omnivores.

You don't have to eat meat, but you will need supplementation to otherwise avoid it.
I don't think I could ever give up milk, cheese, and eggs.

And are you in Sweden?


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Re: Slaughterhouses [Re: KremrBigSikter]
    #19298075 - 12/19/13 01:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Humans don't have predator teeth. Humans have very long digestive tracts. Humans evolved from vegetarian animals (that probably ate insects etc as well), fleshy meat is a relatively recent thing, and it's entirely possible to do without it.

If you want to eat meat that's your problem. Don't say it's necessary. And I have no idea what "pop culture" and "elitist" are supposed to mean.



This is false.  We have predator canines and incisors,  These are for rending flesh, nut nuts and berries.  If they ate insects then they weren't vegetarians.  We are omnivores and have omnivore dentition.  Chimpanzees eat monkeys.


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Re: Slaughterhouses [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19298092 - 12/19/13 01:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, good luck biting a lamb to death with those incisors and then tearing its flesh off with your strong neck muscles. Though if you're talking carrion, and ripened flesh, then yeah, I can believe human ancestors ate that before they had fire and tools.


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Re: Slaughterhouses [Re: KremrBigSikter]
    #19298118 - 12/19/13 01:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah, good luck biting a lamb to death with those incisors and then tearing its flesh off with your strong neck muscles. Though if you're talking carrion, and ripened flesh, then yeah, I can believe human ancestors ate that before they had fire and tools.




:facepalm:They aren't for killing and neither are our fingernails claws.  Some of our teeth are designed for tearing flesh.  This is indisputable.


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    #19298133 - 12/19/13 01:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I think he deserves a  :doublefacepalm:


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