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agreedwitboardrule
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Is this substrate ok?
#19296769 - 12/19/13 06:34 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I am gonna buy a particular substrate off the Internets in China, it's made of the following stuff:
cottonseed hull+corncob+corn flour+bagasse+sugar
Is that ok/good to use for growing m shrooms?
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agreedwitboardrule said: I am gonna buy a particular substrate off the Internets in China, it's made of the following stuff:
cottonseed hull+corncob+corn flour+bagasse+sugar
Is that ok/good to use for growing m shrooms?
No
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Re: Is this substrate ok? [Re: cronicr]
#19297351 - 12/19/13 10:09 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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step 1, order spore syringe. step 2, outsource bulk prep to china. step 3 ,aim syringe at fedex box. step 4 , become a breaking bad PHD mycologist shroom mogul. step 5 , take a pic of the lucky flush before it trichs. step 6, start a thread, showing the pic, and thanking all the little people who got ya where you are....... step 7, advise everyone possible thru your expertise. step 8 attack anyone who doesnt accept your glorious tek as a godsend. step 9 act indignant when peeps challenge your skill level. step 10, demand your TC badge, youve earned it!
its an easy 10 step program to success variants here abound. speaking of wich,
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soicyboy97 said: look up FrankHorrigan
^if thats plan 2, ill suggest the original plan is better by a margin.
i think we all know, the age of skill in the grow, is over.
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Re: Is this substrate ok? [Re: cronicr]
#19297370 - 12/19/13 10:16 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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cronicr said:
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agreedwitboardrule said: I am gonna buy a particular substrate off the Internets in China, it's made of the following stuff:
cottonseed hull+corncob+corn flour+bagasse+sugar
Is that ok/good to use for growing m shrooms?
No

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Good morning anne, long time no argue
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Re: Is this substrate ok? [Re: cronicr]
#19297398 - 12/19/13 10:23 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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all the luv cronic, just had to pop up and endorse this outsourcing to china thing. sorry to neglect ya, i was schooling cactus grafters for a few days. man do they get pissed when ya 3x thier growth rate, and the grafts arent burnt blood red.
glad to be with back with the boomer pros, where im truly loved and appreciated most.
yap, china is an option, but, india , is actually cheaper .........
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soicyboy97
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anne halonium
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Re: Is this substrate ok? [Re: soicyboy97]
#19303721 - 12/20/13 04:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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first its not" his "method pasteur gets the credit.
second, the actual practice , as presented, and considering the general clean level with those who use it. its trichy at best, either from poor handling, or incomplete timing or both.
in a lab, perfect pastuerization is possible time after time. it is predictable science.
in a skilled grow, with the correct environment and equipment, it can also be done time after time reliably.
in reality, franks entire thing, panders to reliability. pays lip service to detail , does not consider different heat exchange dynamics , and has absolutely laughable respect for the enviromentals during prep.
in other words pastuerization done right is great. teaching noobs shortcuts to questionable pasturization , and bad handling process..........is a joke.
if your standard tek ends mostly ends in trich. then i suspect your not pasteurizing correctly in the first place.
frankly, if he was teaching peeps right, a fraction of em would have trich.
correct pasturized grows, handled right, trich out rarely and will flush several time.
its not what i see from any of franks peeps, all i see is bucket loading fast boil and get what ya can before it trichs.............it like a trichy skill carnival game.
you asked, and since he freely gives his opinion of me........
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Re: Is this substrate ok? [Re: soicyboy97]
#19303733 - 12/20/13 04:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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soicyboy97 said: whats wrong with his pasteurization method then boss
nothing works great
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anne halonium
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Re: Is this substrate ok? [Re: twistedty]
#19303761 - 12/20/13 04:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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twistedty said:
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soicyboy97 said: whats wrong with his pasteurization method then boss
nothing works great
that reflects your paradigm. not mine.
lots of stuff works great for me. i pastuerized everything in sight back in the 80's rarely saw trich........
pastuer, and the scientific principles involved. define pasturization. done to specification, and handled right, in a reasonably clean environment ........works.
i dont see where frank is in the loop at all. look at everything he does, hes a numbers man. sling 100 boiled shit buckets fast enough, and 25 noobs will claim your a genius......the other 75.uh , didnt do the magic right, or the spores were bad................. it has nothing to do with pastuerization and bio handling.
ironically, sometimes the rudest pastuerization will work. but thats vegas, not skill........
im a conservative gal, dont like gambling my v- tek peeps, certainly dont have the trich rate franks bucketeers do.
i dont teach pastuerization for three reasons.
1. giant farms do it, they can figure it out. otherwise pay me to consult.
2. established sane adult pros, with some degree of bio training,already know. its 6th grade science. figure it out.
3. the third group , is mostly peeps who are looking to boil a shit sack and get a fast flush for under 1$. those peeps arent out to learn anything, and are least interested in doing it right. AKA " vegas growers", when they trich its bad luck, but for that 1 flush, its pure PHD mycology skill!
hence, IMO, its pointless to teach it. dont believe in watering down pasteurs tek to bucket boiling and luck.
teach it right, including bio handling, and trich is limited. if your teacher is triching you , your being tricked.
* the above, is the entire basis of franks " ignore annie" campaign. im one of the few peeps, that can effectively show hes a vegas grower. i played bulks all thru the 80's, i see right thru him. and he knows it. for a long time, he could tout half baked teks and handling. growers evolved. peeps arent so easily fooled now.
Edited by anne halonium (12/20/13 05:00 PM)
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anne halonium said: Blah blah blah
Thing is, it all comes down to yield. You've told me what you get over a 3-month period with all your bullshit and fertilizers and expensive shit. I ran the numbers, and I double your output.
The whole point is that your method gets less mushrooms for more money. So what if something gets contaminated once in a while? Throw it out and start over. Yield per dollar is the bottom line, and your methods just don't stack up compared to traditional methods.
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Re: Is this substrate ok? [Re: 36fuckin5]
#19303922 - 12/20/13 05:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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lol , your math is distorted as you are. werent you dismissed on a another thread?
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19298459/fpart/2#19298459
when ya have a wider range of experience, ill hear what ya have to say.
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Your link is to a search. I'm not reading all those threads. Link me to exactly what you're talking about.
And IDK exactly how much of a wider range of experience I could possibly have. I've tried pretty much every method I've ever heard of when I was first learning, and even some half-assed shit I thought of myself before I knew what I was doing.
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Re: Is this substrate ok? [Re: 36fuckin5]
#19303987 - 12/20/13 05:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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frank doesnt use bucket tek? and nor does he condone it.
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anne halonium said: all the luv cronic, just had to pop up and endorse this outsourcing to china thing. sorry to neglect ya, i was schooling cactus grafters for a few days. man do they get pissed when ya 3x thier growth rate, and the grafts arent burnt blood red.
glad to be with back with the boomer pros, where im truly loved and appreciated most.
yap, china is an option, but, india , is actually cheaper .........
I wander into Mush cult to have a read and catch up with whats going on and Anne I am the greatest at every thing is here tolling her shit.
You are so full of it you haven't schooled anyone in anything not here or in the EG all you do is sprout of the same shit over and over again. You then post crap on you blog about how you have outclassed every one yet you haven't shown squat. Even if it did work and or you were able to grow bigger and better than every one else WHO CARES seriously not every one wants to be a "pro grower" they just want to grow efficiently and cost effectively. What is it with every time you get called out on your crap you scurry of to tell the noobs that you sucker with your crap on your blog or you come in here and sprout of to a group of mush cult people how great you are hoping non of them ever venture into the EG where they will find out the truth.
You claim to have been around for years growing cacti and mushrooms yet you behave like a kid. If this is the way you carry on in the real world you must live a very lonely life.
You Anne should have been banned from the Shroomery months ago. I am at the point where I will no longer post here until the garbage has been removed permanently.
My condolences to the people in mush cult that have to put up with her crap and I apologize for the off-topic rant.
Cheers Got
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Re: Is this substrate ok? [Re: GoOnThen]
#19308157 - 12/21/13 01:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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instead of worrying about me socially, check your PH, and your fungus / mites on your grow. your opinion about me means little.
fact is, when ya cant grow effectively, attack annie. follow annie and attack if needed. but whatever happens, dont let peeps hear annie tell the truth, or some over puffed grower will feel bad.
fact is , its grow first, and its serious business. if you dont take it serious, thats on you. some of us see where, clean , professional, organized and effective, would be the desired paradigm.
im comforatble with your grow, if you are. most of ya arent. kill annie.
i fail to see , where anyone not out for a fast/ easy /cheap, whatever it takes hack solution, is the enemy of the grow. its more like enemy of ego.
link to something of merit. otherwise, you trifle me without the least authority.
if your sick of me? so what. lots of us are sick with misinfo and over puffed amateurs.
ive noted fine details in your garden pics. your problem isnt me, its hubris and an over extendned enviro system.
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Edited by anne halonium (12/21/13 02:12 PM)
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agreedwitboardrule
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So....i asked a question about buying a particular substrate....and Annie wtf are you talking about?
I'm asking for advice and you're talking a bunch of weird shit, so please don't do that, I have no idea who you are and have no interest in hearing from you.
Thanks to those of you who replied properly.
lastly:
I live in China, ordering stuff from the US is very expensive due to mail costs.
Yunnan (a part of China) is the mushroom capital of the world, so they must have good substrate.
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anne halonium
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agreedwitboardrule said: I have no idea who you are and have no interest in hearing from you.
im anne halonium. glad to meet ya.

i dont buy substrates. we make our own. you should also.
if ya dont want serious advice, dont ask.
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Hey Anne, I followed franks proper pasturization method with a few variants, and im onto my third and fourth flushes on 3/4 tubs -
One tub that I marked as a possible contam from the start did end up tric after 2nd flush.
Cakes in the SGFC made it to fifth and sixth flushes and I threw out because of nutrient deprivation.
I came into this with only this website, and followed advice, remained cheap, pasturized in ziplock bags with a thermometer, and kitty litter buckets ( my sig )
Shit still worked? I call it a success.
I hardly call this laboratory grade, high intelligence work.
These things grow themselves.

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agreedwitboardrule
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anne halonium said:
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agreedwitboardrule said: I have no idea who you are and have no interest in hearing from you.
im anne halonium. glad to meet ya.

i dont buy substrates. we make our own. you should also.
if ya dont want serious advice, dont ask.
I bought some mycro bags and did the 'mc donalds' version of mushy's, as my first time.
Now i'm looking at collecting spores and being more involved in the process as the bags didn't produce that well until i FAE'd them to shit.
I also thought about making my own substrate - it looks pretty. fkn. easy.
But I will tell you that if i can buy a 1.2kg bag of substrate for $1.20, where i just need to inject the spores i collect and then wait for it to grow......compared
1. Trying to find all of the stuff (vermiculite and the coir and the actual thingy the substrate is made from i.e bird seed, coffee, popcorn ect ect) 2. Battling through the language barrier and trying to source it all, hoping its the correct stuff and not completely dodge.....
Then i'm just gonna go with buying the 1.2kg bags, as it's much easier that way.
China isn't exactly 'life on easy mode' when it comes to finding obscure things.
Lastly, when did you actually give me advice? Your first post just seemed confrontational and troll like.
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