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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: ferrel_human]
    #19291063 - 12/17/13 11:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Nice nice.  I got some pumice I'd like to work with.  Hmm.


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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #19293808 - 12/18/13 03:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah pumice its good and i was going to go that route but all my other rock is heavier and just thought it would be hbetter not to use it. But its all the same.


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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: ferrel_human]
    #19295367 - 12/18/13 09:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I know im still new to everything here but logically you could go a few routes. 

Test your stones by flooding water on them and monitor water evap or moistness on cloudy (most certainly wet days) and on sunny days. 

Also when youd go to plant them in the rocks, you could drill a few holes and fill them up with course small grained stone or a bit of your mixtures.  That way it could help support new seedlings or you could even sprout onto the small grains. This way, it has a chance to take hold and stay protected and eventually grows into the rock better.  Just the idea i had when reading all this.  Just so you dont have to worry about planting into an exsiting crack.


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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: runningfox2002]
    #19296737 - 12/19/13 06:21 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I know im still new to everything here but logically you could go a few routes. 

Test your stones by flooding water on them and monitor water evap or moistness on cloudy (most certainly wet days) and on sunny days. 

Also when youd go to plant them in the rocks, you could drill a few holes and fill them up with course small grained stone or a bit of your mixtures.  That way it could help support new seedlings or you could even sprout onto the small grains. This way, it has a chance to take hold and stay protected and eventually grows into the rock better.  Just the idea i had when reading all this.  Just so you dont have to worry about planting into an exsiting crack.




New to all this? Spoken like a true professional. I will most likely use a small drill bit maybe like a 3/8ths or 7/16ths. Then fill with the small grains.

I havent done this in a while and i should do it to show my appreciation to everyone. You sir get 5+. :super:


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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: ferrel_human]
    #19296750 - 12/19/13 06:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

A small list of potential species to experiment with.

Cactus plants that require a compost containing limestone

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Ariocarpus All
Astrophytum All
Ancistrocactus All
Aztekium All
Epithelantha All
Gymnocactus All
Glandulicactus All
Lophophora All
Leuchtenbergia All
Neolloydia All
Strombocactus All
Thelocactus All
Turbinicarpus All
Coryphantha clava
Coryphantha delaetiana
Coryphantha difficilis
Coryphantha echinus
Coryphantha erecta
Coryphantha nickelsae
Coryphantha obscura
Coryphantha pallida
Coryphantha palmeri
Coryphantha pseudonickelsae
Coryphantha pulleineana
Coryphantha ramillosa
Coryphantha retusa
Coryphantha sulcata
Coryphantha durangensis
Cumarinia oborata
Echinocactus horizonthalonius
Echinocereus dasycanthus
Echinocereus delaetii
Echinocereus enneacanthus
Echinocereus fenderi
Echinocereus primolanatus
Echinocereus stramineus
Echinocereus nivosus
Echinocereus roetteri
Echinocereus erectocentrus
Escobaria ducanii
Escobaria guadalupensis
Escobaria lloydii
Escobaria sanbergii
Escobaria sneedii
Escobaria villardii
Escobaria vivipara v all
Escobaria radiosa
Escobaria zilziana
Echinomastus mariposensis
Mammillaria albiarmata
Mammillaria albicoma
Mammillaria albilanata
Mammillaria aureilanata
Mammillaria albicans
Mammillaria albiflora
Mammillaria cadereytensis
Mammillaria candida
Mammillaria carmenae
Mammillaria carnea
Mammillaria chionocephala
Mammillaria collinsii
Mammillaria columbiana
Mammillaria compressa
Mammillaria crucigera
Mammillaria dixanthocentron
Mammillaria egregia
Mammillaria flavicenta
Mammillaria formosa
Mammillaria gasseriana
Mammillaria geminispina
Mammillaria goodridgii
Mammillaria graessneriana
Mammillaria grusonii
Mammillaria haageana
Mammillaria herrerae
Mammillaria humboldtii
Mammillaria karwinskiana
Mammillaria kraehenbuehlii
Mammillaria knbeliana
Mammillaria lasiacantha
Mammillaria luethyi
Mammillaria ignota
Mammillaria laui v subducta
Mammillaria magallanii
Mammillaria microhelia
Mammillaria meuhlenpfordtii
Mammillaria mystax
Mammillaria napina
Mammillaria nejapensis
Mammillaria nivosa
Mammillaria orcuttii
Mammillaria pachycylindrica
Mammillaria parkinsonii
Mammillaria pectinifera
Mammillaria pilispina
Mammillaria plumosa
Mammillaria pseudoperbella
Mammillaria rosseo - alba
Mammillaria
SB500
Mammillaria roseocentra
Mammillaria sempervivi
Mammillaria supertexta
Mammillaria solisioides
Mammillaria spinosissima ssp
Mammillaria tepoxtlana
Mammillaria tlalocii
Mammillaria tonalensis
Mammillaria viereckii
Mammillaria viperina
Mammillaria winterae
Mammillaria wohlsclageri
Mammillaria yucatanensis
Mammillaria zeyeriana
Ortegocactus macdougallii





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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
    #19296760 - 12/19/13 06:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I added limestone to my mix so i am not growing exclusively on it. But im sure the rocks i have are limestone and will do a test run on some.


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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: ferrel_human]
    #19296762 - 12/19/13 06:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

He's alive!what up buddy:biggrin:


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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: ferrel_human]
    #19297143 - 12/19/13 09:04 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I feel quite flattered. I'm just new to cacti in general and their habitats. Have a bunch of cacti seeds from three wss seed auctions I won in a row lol but only played with some columnar cacti. 

It's fun to help think up innovative or creative plans like that. :smile:


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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: runningfox2002]
    #19298462 - 12/19/13 03:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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KBG1977 said:
He's alive!what up buddy:biggrin:




Working nights so most posts will be morning and afternoon. I get out christmas morning.:grin: im gonna break some rock when i get home.

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runningfox2002 said:
I feel quite flattered. I'm just new to cacti in general and their habitats. Have a bunch of cacti seeds from three wss seed auctions I won in a row lol but only played with some columnar cacti. 

It's fun to help think up innovative or creative plans like that. :smile:




Well my friend, this one comment solidified you as a knowledgable person in my book.

How old would my, say strombos or aztekium, seedlings need to be before i even begin to consider growng them on a tiny hole atop my rocks? I dont want to to this like mid summer or should i wait til maybe at the end of next year? My aztekium seedlings look very healthy but tuey are only a couple months old and so are my strombos.


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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: ferrel_human]
    #19298499 - 12/19/13 03:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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ferrel_human said:
Quote:

KBG1977 said:
He's alive!what up buddy:biggrin:




Working nights so most posts will be morning and afternoon. I get out christmas morning.:grin: im gonna break some rock when i get home.





Cool brother,I bet you can't wait!


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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: KBG1977]
    #19298515 - 12/19/13 03:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

6 more days.:facepalm:


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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: ferrel_human]
    #19298532 - 12/19/13 03:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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6 more days.:facepalm:




It will be alright:grin:At least you don't have to go to work at a restaurant in 30 minutes:sad:


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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: ferrel_human]
    #19298689 - 12/19/13 04:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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ferrel_human said:
How old would my, say strombos or aztekium, seedlings need to be before i even begin to consider growng them on a tiny hole atop my rocks? I dont want to to this like mid summer or should i wait til maybe at the end of next year? My aztekium seedlings look very healthy but tuey are only a couple months old and so are my strombos.




I'd be very curious to learn how the grower started with that rock setup that was posted a few pages back.  I think the main thing is you don't want to stray too far from optimal conditions for seedlings that young if you were to transplant them onto rock at such a young age. 

Avoiding direct sun would be one of the main things I'd look out for.  Perhaps you could situate them in the holes, fill them in with some finely crushed rock for extra support, and then place something over it to retain humidity and give it a little shade?  Obviously you'd not want to keep them covered/shaded for long periods, only long enough to safely make the transition from their current medium over to the rock medium.  I'm just speculating here since this is completely new territory.  There is quite a bit to be learned about all of this but that's the fun part. :feelsgoodman:


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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: SuperD]
    #19298740 - 12/19/13 04:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Most definitly superD. I recently removed them aztekium ritterii from the humidy and they seem to be alright. I would want to consult Dag Panco on this for sure as this is his garden.


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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: ferrel_human]
    #19301037 - 12/20/13 02:16 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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How old would my, say strombos or aztekium, seedlings need to be before i even begin to consider growng them on a tiny hole atop my rocks?




My Strombocactus seedlings grew to about 2-3mm thick in their first year. They speed up, though, and after their third season my survivors are around 15mm in diameter. If I were to try something like that (and I may...), I would probably wet a piece of rock, spread seed over it and bag it in a light position for a year or two. Hum...


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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: LSoares]
    #19347815 - 12/30/13 06:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

THIS is a revolution. Not what "other" people tout as a revolution.

I want my brother themallacht to see this.

For me it's in its infancy. I will never ever tell people to do this with all their cacti. Just me because I'm an idiot contributor. But THIS will revolutionize the way we grow cacti. It will be a slow process. And you wont see results for years. But when you do it will be beautiful.

Ok well now I sound like the other nut on here.

What I would really like to say to the the newbie cacti growers, especially the sacred growers, is one thing, dont be so quick to jump on band wagons.
And I think psy did the pereskiopsis to get some full grown buttons to root out. He did an excellent job.

Never want people to think of me as some crazy person spouting nonsense any chance I get. I just dont do that and its not me. This soil revolution is something passed on to me by way of online literature. And I brought to you only through giving full credit to Dag Panco and the xerophilia team. I take credit for nothing.  But its here for you to grow cacti as it should be grown, the natural way.
Thank you very much. I love you all. :bow:


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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: LSoares]
    #19347879 - 12/30/13 06:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I was gonna bump this thread earlier...

Here is a Blossfeldia liliputana growing on rocks with a technique suggested to you in here; by LSoares I think.

Since you want to leave them in the open in order to protect them from floods a very tight root system would be better then tiny rocks filling the hole as there wouldn't be room for water to pool. (Not sure if I'm repeating myself :/)



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If I were to try something like that (and I may...), I would probably wet a piece of rock, spread seed over it and bag it in a light position for a year or two. Hum...




I'd be EXTREMELY interested in the results from this. The bacteria that 'eats' the rocks are already in/on the seeds so the seedling would have this ability. This wouldn't be an effective way of growing but if your not planning on starting a nursery than a few very natural plants from 100's of seeds in a few years would be very nice indeed.


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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: modern.shaman]
    #19347910 - 12/30/13 06:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Thats fuckin bad ass modern. I like what you re doing. What kind of rock you using?


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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: ferrel_human]
    #19347916 - 12/30/13 06:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

That's not mine sorry should have mentioned that lol. I posted that image since it visualizes what it 'should' look like unless you sow directly in the cracks.


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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: ferrel_human]
    #19347933 - 12/30/13 06:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Wouldnt it be cool if we grew on smaller rocks for decorative purpose?  Natural cacti grown on rocks all for decoration. Maybe a new store on ebay is in order. I am really glad we got a contributer. My 3 cacti wont go nowhere. Not anytime soon at least.

Its raini g on them right now. Its just nonstop drizzle. Its gonna be one of those wet winters. So more the urgency to get my cacti into rock.


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