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smanbulldog
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Which rue extract should I get?!?
#19296181 - 12/19/13 01:25 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm looking to buy some rue extract for use with shrooms and dmt. The choices are: 25x syrian rue extract, harmala alkaloids (full spectrum HCl), Harmaline HCl, Harmine Freebase, and Harmaline Freebase. My preferred options are the salts (HCL), being that I would probably take the freebase by soaking it in acid (orange juice) before I took it anyways. I just wanted to include all of the choices. It's really down to the full spectrum harmala salt and the 25x rue extract. I was wondering how many doses the 25x extract would be and if it would be a better bargain than the full spectrum salt. Any input would be appreciated, thanks! Nothing makes sense in these swamp monster times!
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TheGreenArrow
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Re: Which rue extract should I get?!? [Re: smanbulldog]
#19296718 - 12/19/13 06:12 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Be wary of those selling harmala extracts. I'd read reports over at the DMT-nexus that they'd obtained some online and tested it. They'd found it didn't even have harmala in it.
Buy some syrian rue seed from iamshaman.com and make your own extract. Its literally 10x cheaper, plus you actually know whats going in your body. Harmine Crystals from Syrian Rue There is a tek. I'd probly switch out the Vinegar for a solution of absorbic acid (vitamin C). Vinegar will make your whole house smell. Also, don't worry about this process if you live in the US, its 100% legal.
-------------------- A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, design a building, conn a ship, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve an equation, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.- Robert A. Heinlein Saint RedBow of the Shroomey Loomey-Patron Saint of Sandbaggin Sumbitchs
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Re: Which rue extract should I get?!? [Re: TheGreenArrow]
#19296970 - 12/19/13 07:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I would personally go for the pure alkaloids if they are actually legit. 25x rue would be super easy to make yourself. The pure alkaloids would be more accurate dosing as well.
If you do try them out please post your results!
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Re: Which rue extract should I get?!? [Re: TheGreenArrow]
#19297480 - 12/19/13 10:43 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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TheGreenArrow said: Also, don't worry about this process if you live in the US, its 100% legal.
This is shroomery, no one is worried about illegal processes. 
But yeah extract your own it's better, funner and cheaper.
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Re: Which rue extract should I get?!? [Re: TheGreenArrow]
#19304745 - 12/20/13 07:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks for the advice everyone, I'll get the full spectrum alkaloid for now and go ahead an procure some rue seeds so that I can extract my own. Thanks for the tek GreenArrow.
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TheGreenArrow
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Re: Which rue extract should I get?!? [Re: smanbulldog]
#19307551 - 12/21/13 11:35 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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No problem man. Teach a man to fish right?
-------------------- A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, design a building, conn a ship, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve an equation, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.- Robert A. Heinlein Saint RedBow of the Shroomey Loomey-Patron Saint of Sandbaggin Sumbitchs
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Re: Which rue extract should I get?!? [Re: TheGreenArrow]
#19328789 - 12/26/13 01:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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TheGreenArrow said: Be wary of those selling harmala extracts. I'd read reports over at the DMT-nexus that they'd obtained some online and tested it. They'd found it didn't even have harmala in it.
Buy some syrian rue seed from iamshaman.com and make your own extract. Its literally 10x cheaper, plus you actually know whats going in your body. Harmine Crystals from Syrian Rue There is a tek. I'd probly switch out the Vinegar for a solution of absorbic acid (vitamin C). Vinegar will make your whole house smell. Also, don't worry about this process if you live in the US, its 100% legal.
Things change when you make substitutions. According to 69Ron on DMT-Nexus...
No. You just didn't give it enough time. You can use citric acid, or any other acid. Citric acid takes 2-3 times longer than acetic acid, but it works just as well, producing identical yields. Citric acid binds better to the alkaloids then acetic acid does, so you’ll need to give it more time to react with the salt, that’s all.
Feb 11, 2009 A new level of harmala purity with this extraction
You're best off going beyond the simple Manske extraction (which, by the way, can be found here: http://www.erowid.org/plants/syrian_rue/syrian_rue_extraction2.shtml*), such as doing the extraction that is the subject of the above thread, "A new level of harmala purity with this extraction"
*If you want to do the Manske, user psi was kind enough to write instructions on how to figure out the calculations:
To figure out how much solution you need, take the mass of seeds in grams and multiply by 3. You can treat the answer as the volume in mL, because a mL of water weighs one gram and the solution is mostly water so that's close enough. Say it was 100 g seeds, you need 300 g or ~300 mL of 3% solution. 3/5 of that (=60% of 300 mL, i.e. 300*.6 = 180 mL) should be the 5% vinegar, and the remaining 40% (300*.4=120 mL) should be water. If the vinegar is of some other purity N% that's at least 3%, you would use 3/N vinegar and (N-3)/N water. If N is 10, you would use 3/10 vinegar and 7/10 water. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19210120#19210120
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TheGreenArrow
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Re: Which rue extract should I get?!? [Re: s240779]
#19328805 - 12/26/13 01:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Read the quote in your post Quote:
You can use citric acid, or any other acid.
You just need to drop the ph to around 4. Normally I wouldn't weigh in but having personally used it I can say with certainty that pure absorbic acid (bought online from a molecular gastronomy cooking site) definitely works really well. And it doesn't make your house smell like a pair of week old unwashed testicles. But hey if you feel like using gar I'm not gonna stand in your way. More than one way to skin a cat.
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Edited by TheGreenArrow (12/26/13 01:06 PM)
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Re: Which rue extract should I get?!? [Re: TheGreenArrow]
#19328867 - 12/26/13 01:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I already saw that. I never said you couldn't use ascorbic acid. The thing about the extraction time just needed to be pointed out.
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TheGreenArrow
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Re: Which rue extract should I get?!? [Re: s240779]
#19328884 - 12/26/13 01:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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My bad it's kind of hard to get context out of text from time to time.
-------------------- A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, design a building, conn a ship, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve an equation, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.- Robert A. Heinlein Saint RedBow of the Shroomey Loomey-Patron Saint of Sandbaggin Sumbitchs
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