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Re: Intense reboot of dopamine and addiction [Re: bryguy27007]
    #19292008 - 12/18/13 06:37 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

then your first order of business should be to stabilise your sleeping patterns, wouldn't you think? :what:


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Re: Intense reboot of dopamine and addiction [Re: MotherNaturesSon]
    #19295839 - 12/18/13 11:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

MNS, who is the woman depicted in your avatar?


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Re: Intense reboot of dopamine and addiction [Re: cez]
    #19296514 - 12/19/13 04:23 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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MNS, who is the woman depicted in your avatar?




It is from the painting 'Birth of Venus' by William-Adolphe Bouguereau, one of my all time favourite painters, master of glazing and subtlety.

Linky to painting

From a symbolic perspective it's the love of my life, Edith :smirk:


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Excerpts of inner dialogue III-V-VIII:

"Im no saint, but I do have genuine intentions."
"So you believe in intensions?"
"No. I believe in being genuine."


"The goal is to become more child-like, and less child-ish."


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Re: Intense reboot of dopamine and addiction [Re: MotherNaturesSon]
    #19302626 - 12/20/13 12:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'm sure you guy's have seen this thread at the bottom of this page, but if you haven't checked it out yet I strongly encourage you too. It's focus is on jerking off, but this can apply to any type of addiction:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/16474569

My addictive behaviors tend to cross over into other habits. If I'm not smoking I'm drinking tea and coffee all day, jerking off way more than I should, playing too many video-games that aren't actually fun...when I cut out all of these things I feel as if I might implode from discomfort, anxiety and depression.

I've noticed though that when I'm feeling like this the best thing to do is go spend time with people, even if you don't feel like it. Just moving myself from my room to go watch TV with my dad and hang out with my dog makes me feel A LOT better.

It's fuckin hard though man. I smoked last night and am craving some coffee before work. I hate going to work burnt out


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Re: Intense reboot of dopamine and addiction [Re: MotherNaturesSon]
    #19302691 - 12/20/13 12:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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MNS, who is the woman depicted in your avatar?




It is from the painting 'Birth of Venus' by William-Adolphe Bouguereau, one of my all time favourite painters, master of glazing and subtlety.

Linky to painting

From a symbolic perspective it's the love of my life, Edith :smirk:




Beautiful painting :thumbup:


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Re: Intense reboot of dopamine and addiction [Re: cez]
    #19352770 - 12/31/13 08:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Rehmannia, rhodiola and licorice may improve dopamine activity in the brain. Reuptake inhibition may not - seems maoi or boosting precursors might be best.


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Re: Intense reboot of dopamine and addiction [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #19352782 - 12/31/13 08:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

If you find yourself addicted to caffeine, video games and wanking I have two points of advice - its from subconscious frustration from not spending your time doing something that makes you feel better about yourself. 2nd - doing something selfless for someone else can be amazingly therapeutic.


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Re: Intense reboot of dopamine and addiction [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #19352794 - 12/31/13 09:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I posted this in another thread, and it fits well here too.


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n-acetylcysteine has been clinically shown to help balance out dopamine & glutamate levels. If they're too high it lowers them, and will raise them if they're too low. It's been shown effective enough that it's being recommended to recovering addicts, especially ones that abused stimulants, as well as individuals that suffer from a variety of mental disorders. NAC is also an incredibly powerful antioxidant that has a very powerful effect on liver health. It's actually used IV as the primary treatment for patients that present in the ER with acetaminophen overdose.




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Re: Intense reboot of dopamine and addiction [Re: Dark_Star]
    #19354248 - 01/01/14 10:42 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I posted this in another thread, and it fits well here too.


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n-acetylcysteine has been clinically shown to help balance out dopamine & glutamate levels. If they're too high it lowers them, and will raise them if they're too low. It's been shown effective enough that it's being recommended to recovering addicts, especially ones that abused stimulants, as well as individuals that suffer from a variety of mental disorders. NAC is also an incredibly powerful antioxidant that has a very powerful effect on liver health. It's actually used IV as the primary treatment for patients that present in the ER with acetaminophen overdose.







woah!

very very interesting indeed! Can you provide some evidence for that claim though? Also, a bit more on dosage is you'd want to try this.

In case anybody wonders- my dopamine levels seem to be coming back very steadily now. Bit by bit. Quitting porn has been such a different thing than I thought it would be. Just thought I'd stop watching porn, thats all. Didn't think it would make me rethink my entire concept of intimacy, women, self-worth, habits of desire and many other thing. Didn't think my libido would disappear for a month and sex wouldn't feel as good for some time. Really crazy shit- I seriously urge everyone to stop watching porn completely. Occasional masturbation to fantasies- fine. But compulsive porn watching and jerking at least once a day- no. Very bad for your dopamine circuits, very bad for your intimacy psychology, seriously!

Nicotine was pretty easy to quit. Has been what, three months now i think. Not thinking about getting back on it all. It did add to the dopamine drain and I was restless and tense for the first month or so. Stopping weed has been more difficult though. With new years and all. I got completely blazed yesterday :lol: but I haven't been smoking every day, only very infrequently and in small, pure doses. Sometimes a month passes without smoking, sometimes a week. It does help with the low-dopamine depression though. But I'm trying my best not to be dependable on it. I love weed though. I can see me never watching porn or smoking cigarettes again, but weed I just like too much to completely say nay to :shrug:

anyways, that's my update. I'm feeling good and I've had a seriously spiritual experience cuddling with my girlfriend (no drugs involved). That was amazing. Life goes on though as I have loads of shit to do for university and that keeps me on an overall baseline of anxiety. But I'll pull though!

Hope everyone is doing okay!


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"So you believe in intensions?"
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Re: Intense reboot of dopamine and addiction [Re: MotherNaturesSon]
    #19354332 - 01/01/14 11:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Intense reboot of dopamine and addiction [Re: Dark_Star]
    #19357381 - 01/02/14 05:54 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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The general consensus is that 3 grams a day is a good therapeutic dose.

Some evidence on the effectiveness of NAC;


http://m.jneurosci.org/content/27/51/13968.short

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3044191/


http://bipolarnews.org/?p=40

https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&m=457723

http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10.1517/14728220802517901

http://www.nature.com/npp/journal/v32/n3/abs/1301119a.html




Well this is very interesting! Thank you very much!

3 grams for how long? A month or so?


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"So you believe in intensions?"
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Re: Intense reboot of dopamine and addiction [Re: MotherNaturesSon]
    #19357465 - 01/02/14 07:03 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I take it intermittently (a month or two on a daily basis), but it wouldn't be harmful to take it for long periods of time. Once I'm more financially secure I'll probably wind up taking it on a regular basis. As far as how long until you see results, I'd imagine that's different for everyone. Try it for a month & see where you're at. It's benefit to the liver is also something to keep in mind. Supplementing with it long term may help prevent issues with liver health down the line.


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Re: Intense reboot of dopamine and addiction [Re: Dark_Star]
    #19357849 - 01/02/14 10:37 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I take it intermittently (a month or two on a daily basis), but it wouldn't be harmful to take it for long periods of time. Once I'm more financially secure I'll probably wind up taking it on a regular basis. As far as how long until you see results, I'd imagine that's different for everyone. Try it for a month & see where you're at. It's benefit to the liver is also something to keep in mind. Supplementing with it long term may help prevent issues with liver health down the line.




so you do take it yourself then? How would you say your dopamine and dopamine related things have been affected by this?


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"So you believe in intensions?"
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"The goal is to become more child-like, and less child-ish."


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Re: Intense reboot of dopamine and addiction [Re: MotherNaturesSon]
    #19358271 - 01/02/14 12:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Hard to say. I started taking it years after I cleaned up, so my brain chemistry had already corrected itself. I take it primarily for liver health, cause I was really bad to it for a while. The one thing I have noticed is a reduction in my OCD tendencies. I'm not OCD in a real bad way, but I have some tendencies there, and when I'm taking NAC I don't really notice those tendencies anymore.


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