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Re: Pennsylvanians Coerced Into Giving Cheek Swab at “Voluntary” Checkpoint [Re: ChinChiller]
    #19289274 - 12/17/13 04:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

This happened in my town


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Re: Pennsylvanians Coerced Into Giving Cheek Swab at “Voluntary” Checkpoint [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19289433 - 12/17/13 04:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I can't wait until our children have to wear photo ids and pass a cheek swab everyday before their mandatory brainwashing. Then forced cheek swabbing won't even make the news, and we can all go back to our fantasy lands.


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Re: Pennsylvanians Coerced Into Giving Cheek Swab at “Voluntary” Checkpoint [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19293126 - 12/18/13 12:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I heard about his on NPR, happened near me.

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He said federal and local tax dollars were being used to stop innocent people without probable cause, and allow a private company to hire uniformed police to force citizens to listen to their questions




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City Police Chief William M. Heim said the two federal agencies are trying to see what can be done about crashes and injuries, and the swabs were not to get DNA samples but to test for the presence of prescription drugs.

The checkpoint was supposed to be voluntary, but Nieves said he had to refuse several times over a five-minute period before the woman taking the survey let him go.




And that is how it goes. They set it up like DUI checkpoint, are not upfront that it's voluntary and hope they can take advantage of you like most police in these circumstances. More data for bigger pools so they can have a file on everyone. Corporations and government working hand in hand to take DNA samples of citizens without probable cause wasting money we don't have in the process.

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Mayor Vaughn D. Spencer said neither he nor Managing Director Carole B. Snyder were aware of it, and he needs to understand what role police played before making any comment on it.

Councilman Dennis M. Sterner was livid that government can't pick up local drug dealers without a two-year investigation, but can stop motorists at random.





When I hear about this shit I get so frustrated. This story especially, look at the politicians go in to damage control. 7.9 million on a dual federal agency study with police in badges stopping you for a mouth swab just want another reason to get their nose in your car and they act like they don't know a thing about it. Fuck that and fuck them. This country is fucking retarded.

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"Our rights are being violated more and more every day," he said. "It's another way of government intrusion into our lives."




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Re: Pennsylvanians Coerced Into Giving Cheek Swab at “Voluntary” Checkpoint [Re: Joker Flash] * 1
    #19293489 - 12/18/13 02:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Oh, HELL no...


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City Police Chief William M. Heim later remarked that the cheek swabs were to test for the presence of prescription drugs, dismissing Nieves’ assertion that the police presence was coercive by claiming, “People are not pressured by police presence to do something they don’t want to.”






This clown has clearly never been on the other side of the badge, in one of these encounters. Police presence can be one of the most intimidating things in the world. Doubly so if you're prone to an anxiety disorder, a disorder related to authority, have had bad experiences with cops, or simply read the news regularly.


Let's see how much you like it when some group, that you're NOT a member of, with guns, numbers, and full legal authority tells you that you are no longer free to travel as you like, until they see fit. That, alone, is an intimidating feeling. Further, when this group is known for their use of force, violence, locking people up, giving out fines, (not to mention chasing and/or firing on people who fail to stop, aka "run") etc etc.


Since the second worse possible offense to a cop is to not stop when they tell you to (the first being touching them, the third being "back talk") what cause does a person have to assume that they have the right NOT to stop?


I call bullshit.


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Re: Pennsylvanians Coerced Into Giving Cheek Swab at “Voluntary” Checkpoint [Re: CidneyIndole]
    #19293640 - 12/18/13 02:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'm rarely one to advocate resistance that will more likely get the "suspect" hurt instead of just sending him on his way with his rights completely violated.  Pull me over and demand a DNA swab?  You're going to have to break both my arms and I'll bite your fucking finger off when you try to stick your q-tip in my mouth.


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Re: Pennsylvanians Coerced Into Giving Cheek Swab at “Voluntary” Checkpoint [Re: dokunai]
    #19293652 - 12/18/13 02:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So, you'd be in a hospital bed with a handcuff around your cast waiting for pretrial....

Sound's like a great fucking idea, dude.


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Re: Pennsylvanians Coerced Into Giving Cheek Swab at “Voluntary” Checkpoint [Re: dokunai]
    #19293749 - 12/18/13 03:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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dokunai said:
I'm rarely one to advocate resistance that will more likely get the "suspect" hurt instead of just sending him on his way with his rights completely violated.  Pull me over and demand a DNA swab?  You're going to have to break both my arms and I'll bite your fucking finger off when you try to stick your q-tip in my mouth.




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Re: Pennsylvanians Coerced Into Giving Cheek Swab at “Voluntary” Checkpoint [Re: Enlil]
    #19293750 - 12/18/13 03:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Enlil said:
So, you'd be in a hospital bed with a handcuff around your cast waiting for pretrial....

Sound's like a great fucking idea, dude.




It does seem like the better course of action would be to say... no.


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Re: Pennsylvanians Coerced Into Giving Cheek Swab at “Voluntary” Checkpoint [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19294374 - 12/18/13 05:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Pennsylvanians Coerced Into Giving Cheek Swab at “Voluntary” Checkpoint [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19295226 - 12/18/13 09:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Enlil said:
So, you'd be in a hospital bed with a handcuff around your cast waiting for pretrial....

Sound's like a great fucking idea, dude.




It does seem like the better course of action would be to say... no.




So let's say your sister and girlfriend (lol u actaully have one of those) are being forced to undergo a body cavity search (lolz, buttole and pussy with the same glove used on all four holes).  I'm sure you would be thrilled at what was happening.  A pre-trial with a handcuff around my cuff sounds absolutely delightful compared to defending my sister's honor against state sanctioned rape.  Put me in a room with such a cop for 3 minutes and you will need a trauma team for a crushed windpipe and shattered ribcage. 
but hey, fellow pig, none of your fellow officers cAn do  a do damn thing wrong and the perp deserved 10 times what he got.  Just ask office perp crusher.













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Re: Pennsylvanians Coerced Into Giving Cheek Swab at “Voluntary” Checkpoint [Re: dokunai]
    #19296532 - 12/19/13 04:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

That is a truly stupid post.  Resisting the cops isn't going to stop them. It's just going to get you in more trouble.  So which would you rather have:  Your sister violated, or your sister violated and you in jail, dead, or in the hospital?  Which of those two would put you in a better position to help her?


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Re: Pennsylvanians Coerced Into Giving Cheek Swab at “Voluntary” Checkpoint [Re: dokunai]
    #19296614 - 12/19/13 05:09 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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dokunai said:
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luvdemshrooms said:
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Enlil said:
So, you'd be in a hospital bed with a handcuff around your cast waiting for pretrial....

Sound's like a great fucking idea, dude.




It does seem like the better course of action would be to say... no.




So let's say your sister and girlfriend (lol u actaully have one of those) are being forced to undergo a body cavity search (lolz, buttole and pussy with the same glove used on all four holes).  I'm sure you would be thrilled at what was happening.  A pre-trial with a handcuff around my cuff sounds absolutely delightful compared to defending my sister's honor against state sanctioned rape.  Put me in a room with such a cop for 3 minutes and you will need a trauma team for a crushed windpipe and shattered ribcage. 
but hey, fellow pig, none of your fellow officers cAn do  a do damn thing wrong and the perp deserved 10 times what he got.  Just ask office perp crusher.





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Grow up and stop making posts this stupid.


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