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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: WillSolvem]
    #19282671 - 12/16/13 07:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Non-nutritious casings vs nutritious casing vs slightly nutritious casing vs sterilized casing vs non nutritious casing sterilized vs slightly nutritious casing pasteurized vs slightly nutritious casing sterilized vs non-nutritious casing pasteurized vs very nutritious casing sterilized but you rarely kill 100% so it's basically a pasteurized vs very nutritious casing just layered on the shit like spackel vs just use the search function, nub vs why the hell you reading this tiny ass print?
vs really, it all just depends on what substrate you're using...

Maybe I should remember: "The test of a first rate intelligence is the ability to hold [a million muh-fuckin']
opposed ideas in the mind at the same time, and still retain the ability to function." ~ F. Scott Fitzgerald

As there seems to be differing opinions about this. No biggie. It happens.

Q: What about casing straight rye grain?
I've used a light 'casing' of perlite and had decent results...for years...is there a better casing technique for straight rye grain? Thanks.


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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: SuperSillyUs]
    #19282815 - 12/16/13 08:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I use peat Moss as a casing works great!


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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: blueconfusion]
    #19287287 - 12/17/13 05:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Large meatloaf / turkey tray sized cakes of straight rye berries, without any additives, with a light coating of perlite has served me well in the past. Well enough.
Fruits about 4 to 5 inches tall and so many it was a chore to keep up and harvest, clean and dry them all. Almost wished it'd stop fruiting and give me a breather...
Now realizing breaking up the grain from jars just to make cakes stresses the mycelium 'needlessly'. So, I'm looking into a one-container, inoculation-to-fruiting tek.
Even though I was breaking up rye jars and 'spawning' to more sterilized grain, covering tray with tin foil and waiting, still want something even more 'fool' proof. :smirk:


(They don't make wide mouth quart jars with a wide enough mouth...)

Probably end up using pp5 pc-able container. Something flat and wide, that stacks inside the pc, without covering the inoculation port built in, and easily removable lid.
Saying all this in case some of you young fellas with all your pep want to get brownie points here and 'steal' this idea (that someone else surely already thought of). heh.
Actually, first heard about this idea on another forum, a year ago.  But felt like I was :talkingtowall:. Not enough traffic and ridiculously loose ability to answer a question straight. lol, wtevr.

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Anyways, casing huh? I think it's an overrated contamination risk for most personal growers.
That's...that's what I think! Greed...ego...they get the best of us, occasionally. Take care, good peoples...


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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: SuperSillyUs] * 1
    #19287415 - 12/17/13 07:08 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Now realizing breaking up the grain from jars just to make cakes stresses the mycelium 'needlessly'. So, I'm looking into a one-container, inoculation-to-fruiting tek.





What you want to do to achieve this:

Obtain some spawn bags, fill them with desired substrate (just grain, poo, coir, brown rice, ect.) and sterilize. While sterilizing take a ordinary 5 gallon bucket and drill (4) 1.5"holes at the 4" mark from the bottom, space evenly as possible. Drill (2) 1.5" holes a inch or two from the rim. Use painters tape to temporarily cover the holes. Once sterile and under sterile conditions mix in a quart of your spawn, close bag than place in bottom of bucket. After colonized cut the bag away and tape remnants to the side of bucket. Remove the painters tape covering holes and replace with polyfill. Place a piece of clear plastic over the top and secure with rubber bands, zip ties, rope, tape, or whatever (i prefer dollar store shower caps). After fruiting has completed, open bucket and lift out by the excess plastic from the spawn bag to make harvest easy.





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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: WillSolvem]
    #19288103 - 12/17/13 11:21 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Crazy impressed with that. Thanks.

Basically just trying to simplify the crap out of giant cakes.
Straight grains, plain perlite as light casing.
The less transfers the better. I like these:



For awhile I was inoculating tiny, 1/2 pints that just had a handful of grains in them. Then, using those colonized grains (as opposed to spore solution) to inoculate much larger jars. Logic being that the tiny jars colonize long before contaminates get a foothold. And, mycelium jumping off a few well and truly colonized grains is faster than spore solution. Again, getting the upper hand before contaminates get a chance to take hold.


You guys know all this shit already, not sure why I'm explaining all this.
Anyways, all those transfers are too much work for me. I want to get away from this hobby as much as possible and just have it as a side project with my main focus being other stuff.
Round pp5... would stack in my All American PC much better. Somethings wider and lower (than the above pictures)would be ideal, with a similar lid. I guess. Love those ports , built in.

Time to dive into the archives for advice on pressure cooking plastic.  :shocked2:
Still think casing with a bunch of crazy mixes is a pain in the butt and not worth the hassle.  :shrug:  My mildly 'controversial' opinion.
I'm not aiming for huge yields though. My goal is 'fool proof' simplicity that frees me up for other activities. Take care, peeps...


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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: SuperSillyUs] * 1
    #19288177 - 12/17/13 11:43 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Here's a great link/tek started by my friend Violet that I'm trying and posting results under, I think it's what your looking for. And just food for thought "getting the upper hand before contaminates get a chance to take hold." is an outdated theory.. to put it simply if this was a rock-paper-scissors game trich beats cubes every time no matter the odds. Hell I've let sterilize jars sit for over a month before knocking them up. What can I say sterile is sterile.. :shrug:

The Tek:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19035259

Hope this helped :thumbup:

P.S. @RogerRabbit I would like Violet to be considered for a TC tag


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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: WillSolvem]
    #19288333 - 12/17/13 12:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Sterile is sterile and trich is... game over. Interesting.

Thanks for the link, that looks awesome... incredible. Way over my head.
And, probably a fair bit more energy than I'm willing to invest at this point,
getting into agar would be new for me, but I'm saving all 11 pgs of it for my  personal archives. Thanks.

I basically just want to find out what will happen if I fill a few of the above 2 quart containers with clean, soaked and boiled rye berries
& pressure cook for ...? 2 hours? I usually do quarts for about an hour and a half. Would it be equivalent to glass quart jars? Thanks.

I may have to make a separate thread, feel bad for squatting on ol' dude's thread like this.  :camping:


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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: WillSolvem]
    #19290593 - 12/17/13 09:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

WillSolvem said:
Here's a great link/tek started by my friend Violet that I'm trying and posting results under, I think it's what your looking for. And just food for thought "getting the upper hand before contaminates get a chance to take hold." is an outdated theory.. to put it simply if this was a rock-paper-scissors game trich beats cubes every time no matter the odds. Hell I've let sterilize jars sit for over a month before knocking them up. What can I say sterile is sterile.. :shrug:

The Tek:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19035259

Hope this helped :thumbup:

P.S. @RogerRabbit I would like Violet to be considered for a TC tag




wow. this is amazing information. Thank you so much for posting this. I am defiantly gonna try it. I will be post a log of my journey haha. Thank you. My mind is like blown.


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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: cronicr]
    #19291370 - 12/18/13 12:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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cronicr said:
i prefer 50/50 peat/verm, never use perlite

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18880716#18880716




So if i didnt have access besides online to the jiffy mix, using this link, with the 50/50 mix could i just get a big ol bag of peat and some verm and mix it 50/50 to moisture content then bag it up and PC it?


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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: NecroMyce]
    #19291375 - 12/18/13 12:59 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yes but you wanna pasturize it


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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: cronicr]
    #19291400 - 12/18/13 01:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

well not PC it i meant pasteurize it :laugh: thank you so much. And im thinking doing like 50% peat, 40% verm, 10% perlite, maybe not 10% perlite but just a dash of perlite for moisture, and i think at a grocery store i can find oyster shell flour, and i was thinking of getting some lime. either garden lime or hydrated lime. whatevers better. One thing i am kinda worried about is i just dropped my casing and its with the black gold seedling starter mix. and it has dolomite lime which i just found out has a high mg level and will be a long term buffer, where as i kinda need a short term buffer since the life of shrooms is only 2 months. So i found a few people saying i should be fine since its long term it wont break down until the end of my 3rd-4th flush if even. hopefully.


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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: NecroMyce]
    #19292066 - 12/18/13 07:08 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

There are quite a few alternatives for casing, the following is a list I have used with success:

50/50
Polymer water crystals
Plain verm
Plain peat moss
Spanish moss
Play sand
Marbles
Lawn debris/grass cuttings
Coir
Straw
Wood fiber used for hydro-seeding
Bubble wrap
Wax paper
Perlite
Wood chips (only outside)
Corn meal
Steel wool
Fluorescence light covering
Pine needles
Fleece cloth
Polyfill
And legos

My favorite still for ease of use (no pasteurization) but still readily available:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=17538438&page=0&vc=1#17538438

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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: WillSolvem]
    #19292108 - 12/18/13 07:28 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

properly pasteurized lego? marbles? :lol:


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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: spacechildo]
    #19292236 - 12/18/13 08:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I lay about 1/2-1 inch of moist vermiculite on the bottom of the casing, then cover evenly with your colonized broken up substrate, and use 1/2-1 inch of pasteurized peat moss, vermiculite and gypsum. Check the search engine on how to pasteurize, peace + good luck (BTW Hello Shroomery :mushroom2:) If you use this method you'll get something like this-



Thats the 2nd flush of 1 cased PF-Tek cake I have been neglecting, (I just misted it heavy that's why the walls are so soaked.)


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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: spacechildo]
    #19292389 - 12/18/13 08:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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properly pasteurized lego? marbles? :lol:



You only need to pasteurize organic matter that is susceptible to contamination, so no not pasteurized (you wouldn't pasteurize wax paper used for a casing... I liked the marbles though, it was pretty to look at and there a good candidate for a reusable casing.


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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: WillSolvem]
    #19293533 - 12/18/13 02:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

well with what i used i added almost over a inch layer so i took some off and now i got a fine 1/4inch layer, i put on tyvek sleeves and gloves, sterlized with iso and then just gently grabbed some casing off the top. still smelt likea FC in there. I noticed little effort for the myce to be colonizing underneath or to the casing at all.... i hope that isnt a bad sign due to people telling me itll take only a week after casing is added and should see signs after 4 days. its been about 4 days and i havent seen anything. even when i took some off. i know my casing isnt to perfect ratios or ingredients but at the same time i read around and a lot of people used it with results but not as good as other casings and there is downsides to the casing ingredients but it isnt that big of a deal.


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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: NecroMyce]
    #19293728 - 12/18/13 03:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Keep it saturated with fresh H20, be patient pins can take awhile trust me 1 day all the sudden you'll be like what the fuck where did all these pins come from then a week later its picking time. Don't leave more than an 1" as a casing layer on top IMO, they say the deeper the casing the stronger fatter fruits you'll get. Don't worry just keep misting, fanning ( I use a small fan or my HEPA filter fan), right after misting. Even if the ratio's are off it should pin you'll just get better or worse fruits depending. Do Not let your casing layer dry out and be patient friend. I add a tbl spoon of Gypsum per 3 cups of casing layer with verm + ground up peat moss, you can use coco coir with similar results. Try the 50/50 casing Tek, Ryche Hawk uses that btw


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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: Doc Seta]
    #19295835 - 12/18/13 11:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

keep misting fanning? since i cased it should i dail it in? give it light?

It also has been two weeks since i dropped these BRF into tubs with a 80% coir 20% verm mix. And they have flourished a little but not fully colonized anything... Should i introduce these to fruiting too? or? should i give them more time. I didnt fully break up the cakes like i shouldve. And i ended up finding a few blue spots in some cakes and tossed them, and then didnt end up using one of the jars and let it sit a little longer since it was only at 70% and got some blue marks, but to me it looked like bruising but i have no clue, i hope its not a con tam.


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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: NecroMyce]
    #19296696 - 12/19/13 05:56 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Definitely looks contaminated, sorry brother, we all go through it

Breaking up the cakes more would have helped, it looks like the spawn ratio suffered because of it leaving large areas un-colonized. Possibility partial sterilization of the substrate, how was it pasteurized?


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Re: Where to start, casing. [Re: WillSolvem]
    #19296838 - 12/19/13 07:07 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Definitely looks contaminated, sorry brother, we all go through it

Breaking up the cakes more would have helped, it looks like the spawn ratio suffered because of it leaving large areas un-colonized. Possibility partial sterilization of the substrate, how was it pasteurized?



You got a case of the contams


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