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King Oyster Clones
#19292562 - 12/18/13 09:39 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Bought a 3 pack of organic King Oysters from the grocery and took a tissue transfer from each of them. I did one directly to grain with a H202 dip first, another straight to grain with no H202 (I have a Tree Oyster clone growing out directly to grain quite happily) and a third to a sterilized jar of coffee soaked cardboard at field capacity. I'l be away for a week and a half so I'll see where everything is at when I get home and post an update.



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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: urthtown]
#19293567 - 12/18/13 02:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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My king is a store clone. Great strain. Good luck
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Tissue transfer straight to grain? I didn't know you could do that, lol...I always went Wild -> Agar -> Grain. I figured the contamination would be insane if you didn't isolate first.
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: mrtumnas]
#19294644 - 12/18/13 06:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Agar is safer but good technique will usually result in clean biopsy.
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Kings have such a fat stipe that it is pretty easy to tear one in two and grab a core sample that is totally pristine. Assuming the rest of your conditions are super sterile I bet you won't have any problem. Yes, agar would be safer.
I have cloned grocery store Kings often with great results.
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I got shot down initially here for suggesting that my two store bought clones of king oysters performed well and were in discernable from the Aloha strain on agar. What I soon realized was that these people believed everything they read about grower genetics being expanded out to near senescence thus a clone will quickly decline or had simply never tried to grow out a market or store bought clone. there is of course no chance that any commercial grower risks yields by heavy expansion of strain genetics. and some commercial growers I know don't use commercial strains any more. I know an agaricus grower who runs a massive operation all using a strain isolated from a clone.  a one generation clone is unlikely to decline significantly if at all but all strains decline and can potentially throw off odd phenotypes. I'm sure this grow will be fine.
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Sweet! bluemeanie, I admit that I severely overgeneralized from my own blobby failure.
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Haha. No probs.
I'm not a huge oyster fan in general but I love the flavor of the king oyster!
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Similarly pilfered Kings. Definitely one of my favorite edibles.
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Hey guys sorry I missed the conversation here - was working on some other myco related projects and my king clones were tucked away in the cupboard for a couple weeks.
Well I lost one tissue to grain transfer and one took off just fine. Interestingly (anecdotally, not scientifically) I did two grain jars at the same time (see OP) and it was the one without the H202 dip that contammed. Could be coincidence, there's no real way to know where the contam came from. Looked like tiny green rough bubbles all over the grains. The cardboard clone is also growing happily if a bit wispy.

I shook the healthy one as it was at 30% colonized and it's recovering now so I think it will be ok to grow out on supplemented sawdust block as planned.
Great to see all the successful grows on grocery store genetics! My shiitake clone seems like it grew for a bit and then just gave up - thinking it may actually be close to senescence as it hasn't contammed, just stopped growing and shrivelled.
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: urthtown]
#19471440 - 01/25/14 10:47 AM (10 years, 6 days ago) |
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Update!
I added some pasteurized hardwood sawdust to my cardboard clone jar after hydrating it with some coffee and gypsum. Looks happy! My wheat jar is fuzzing up but just slow slow slow. I think my grain might be too dry. I added 3 cc's of sterile water and noticed some improved mycelium growth.

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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: urthtown]
#19471492 - 01/25/14 11:03 AM (10 years, 6 days ago) |
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I bought some from that same company and started the clones 12 days ago on little pieces of cardboard in petri dishes. They are very slow as you said. I cloned some grocery store grey oysters and they just started to pin today. The price is right anyway.
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Cool! I'm hoping to get some spores from a fruit on this sawdust to start sectoring a fresh isolate to grow out as a master culture. I have plenty to keep me busy with the isolates I have purchased so this is a fun side project. :reckon: Good luck.
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: urthtown]
#19475187 - 01/26/14 04:16 AM (10 years, 5 days ago) |
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ive never been able to fruit King Oysters, looks fun though.
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: afk77]
#19475605 - 01/26/14 07:29 AM (10 years, 5 days ago) |
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afk77 said: ive never been able to fruit King Oysters, looks fun though.
Did you try a cold shock?
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: urthtown]
#19478781 - 01/26/14 08:32 PM (10 years, 4 days ago) |
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They are tasty!
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Going to spawn one of these clones this weekend and I'll be prepping my substrate tomorrow.
What do you guys say - shredded straw log or supplemented sawdust block (supplemented with coffee, wheat germ and gypsum)?
Thanks!
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: urthtown]
#19500854 - 01/31/14 11:27 AM (10 years, 17 minutes ago) |
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After several frustrating attempts at fruiting kings, I have successfully settled on a mix of 1/3 straw, 2/3 sawdust supplemented with gypsum and finely ground brown rice. I find I get more fruits per pound by growing in jars -- scratch 43 days after inoculation, cold shock for 24 hours, set in pinning/fruiting environment of 55-60 degrees Fahrenheit, 8 hours of light per day.
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: mycoloco]
#19500876 - 01/31/14 11:33 AM (10 years, 12 minutes ago) |
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Strange. The kings I have start fruiting before I get a chance to put them in fruiting conditions. Straw, coffee, or whatever. The straw bags and coffee bags I did fruited in my living room with a few sprays from a spray bottle each day.
I had them fruiting off of a few left over grains in the bottom of a jar once as well.
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: Ganzig]
#19501711 - 01/31/14 02:51 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Alrighty well looks like I'll just do another everything but the kitchen sink sawdust block with coffee, straw, sawdust, wood shavings, wheat bran and gypsum. I'll do two blocks - one for my king oyster clone and one for my pink oyster spawn.
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: Ganzig]
#19503942 - 01/31/14 11:07 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ganzig said: Strange. The kings I have start fruiting before I get a chance to put them in fruiting conditions. Straw, coffee, or whatever. The straw bags and coffee bags I did fruited in my living room with a few sprays from a spray bottle each day.
It is strange, I've had good luck with them like you. I can't believe when I see people have had trouble! I've worked with 3 different cultures, and all of them pin in the bag within DAYS of colonization. After harvest I just spray the block and roll the bag closed again, and they'll start flushing again in less than a week. Half the time I don't even notice until I've got large invitro fruits with no caps. Back in the FC and I've got a decent 2nd flush. I'm on flush 3 for some of my bags right now!
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: Forrester]
#19505695 - 02/01/14 11:00 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ok so maybe a strange question... but if I'm mixing straw with sawdust and supplementing with coffee and wheat germ... I will have to sterilize the coffee and wheat germ in the PC but I've read RR saying sterilized straw is likely to contam before colonization. Is this just if you treat your sterilized straw as if it were pasteurized, it is likely to contam? Like if you did a laundry hamper grow with sterilized straw this would obviously be a high contam risk but sterilizing straw in a myco bag in a substrate blend seems fairly safe to me?
The plan is to mix it all together - Hardwood sawdust, aspen shavings at about 60%, shredded straw at about 20%, a blend of coffee grounds and wheat germ at about 15% and gypsum and vermiculite at 5% - and PC as normal in myco bags.
I like the idea of using a blend of subs like this for my edibles - using coffee grounds, eventually using spent grain from brewing too. The healthiest diet is a diverse one right, as long as the C:N ratio is favourable?
If the sterilized straw might be an issue, I was considering pasteurizing it separately in jars and then mixing into the myco bag with the spawn in my SAB. What do you guys think? Thanks!
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: urthtown]
#19538770 - 02/08/14 09:23 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hows this project going?
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GordonWeasel said: Hows this project going?
Hey! I just spawned the wheat berries to a mix of shredded straw, spent brewers grain, vermiculite and gypsum and it seems to be taking off well.

Thanks for the interest.
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: urthtown]
#19538845 - 02/08/14 09:37 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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I have several bags of Kings going off at the moment. I just use fir pellets with gypsum and wheat bran (obviously sterilized). When the bag is well colonized, I scratch the surface with a sterile fork, spray it well, re-close the bag, and punch fork-holes with a hot fork all over and place in the Martha. Pins appear in no time at all. I do not cold shock. When they're well on their way I open the bag and usually cut it away so they can mature. Here's a bag I just harvested:
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Your kings always look so nice.
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: Jeff]
#19539038 - 02/08/14 10:29 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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I can't wait to see how those kings do on the spent grain!
Queen - You do the scratching thing eh? I've never tried that, maybe I should... I'm curious what you do for 2nd and later flushes though? I've just been taking the bag out of the GH and within a week I'll notice some pins smashed in-between the substrate and bag. I cut the bag there but they're usually kinda disfigured from being squished  Here's a 2nd flush:

I hope you don't mind Urthtown, I'm not trying to thread-jack here
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: Forrester]
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: Forrester]
#19539373 - 02/08/14 11:58 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Forrester said: I can't wait to see how those kings do on the spent grain!

I hope you don't mind Urthtown, I'm not trying to thread-jack here 
Not at all! Awesome to see so many successful stolen genetics grows on the P eryngii. I just hope I can produce something to add haha! So far just fluffy myc.
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: Forrester]
#19539887 - 02/08/14 02:04 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Forrester said: I can't wait to see how those kings do on the spent grain!
Queen - You do the scratching thing eh? I've never tried that, maybe I should... I'm curious what you do for 2nd and later flushes though? I've just been taking the bag out of the GH and within a week I'll notice some pins smashed in-between the substrate and bag. I cut the bag there but they're usually kinda disfigured from being squished  Here's a 2nd flush:

I hope you don't mind Urthtown, I'm not trying to thread-jack here 
That is a beautiful second flush. Mine do that too!! Makes for a lot of bag trimming! I spray the heck out of the blocks and leave them in the Martha for a second flush. Usually don't wait around for a third. Real estate is prime in the Martha and I'm always shifting things about to make room.
I started scratching Kings because I saw a huge commercial Asian operation where they scratch them. Gazillions of Kings. Made me think they generally knew what they were doing. As they usually do with mushrooms!
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I was looking, but apparently I didn't take pics of my Kings at the height of their flush. Shucks! Here's a couple pics of them though. This was my first attempt at Kings, but they were supposed to have been Blues. Watch your dish labels when trading folks.
  
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: ghiajake]
#19540423 - 02/08/14 04:20 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Nice, pasteurized / non-supplemented sawdust on those?
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: Forrester]
#19540580 - 02/08/14 04:48 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Nope. On the three that are cased I used Red Oak sawdust, vermiculite, wheat bran, and hydrated lime and oven pastuerized at 200F for 3 hours. The casing was pasteurized 50/50 fine verm/peat moss. The 4 un-cased tubs were Red Oak sawdust, vermiculite, hardwood mulch, cottonseed meal, and hydrated lime (done in the oven the same way). Each tub was 4-5qt of substrate spawned with a 1/2qt of grain spawn.
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: ghiajake]
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Oven pasteurized at 200f? Wow, never heard of that one. Seems to have worked How much bran would you say you had in there?
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: Forrester]
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I don't think is was the oven pasteurizing that worked. I believe it was the lime. I vacuum sealed all the mixed dry ingredients months before hand, and just added water before putting it in the oven. I'll have to dig out my notes, but I think I used 16 cups sawdust, 12 cups of coarse verm, 8 cups of bran, and a cup of lime per batch. Don't quote me on that though, I may be wrong. I still have a couple "logs" I think.
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: ghiajake]
#19540887 - 02/08/14 05:50 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Wow, interesting you can get away with supplementing with bran using the lime method.
That second flush picture above I actually supplemented quite heavily, and only "bucket-tek" pasteurized. No sterilization done at all, and it worked fine.
Amazing what you can get away with, with kings!
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: Forrester]
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Didn't I see you over on the thread about lime pasteurizing grains? It's beginning to look like controlling the pH is more important than sterilizing. From my last failed batch of LC, I can say don't bother liming LC to help with contams. Nothing grows. Or maybe I just got the pH too high.
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: ghiajake]
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ghiajake said: Didn't I see you over on the thread about lime pasteurizing grains? It's beginning to look like controlling the pH is more important than sterilizing. From my last failed batch of LC, I can say don't bother liming LC to help with contams. Nothing grows. Or maybe I just got the pH too high.
Yeah I don't have too much experience with lime, but I've been following all the threads. I don't see lime ending the need to sterilize grain spawn, but it is interesting the applications everyone is finding for it lately!
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: Forrester]
#19573780 - 02/16/14 08:11 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well the straw block with spent grain I did is a solid fucking brick of myc. Going to give it a few more days before I fruit it.
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: urthtown]
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Well the straw block with spent grain I did is a solid fucking brick of myc. Going to give it a few more days before I fruit it.
What are you going to do to fruit it? I always just wait till it pins in the bag. Mine always do within a week of full colonization.
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: Forrester]
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urthtown said:
 
Well the straw block with spent grain I did is a solid fucking brick of myc. Going to give it a few more days before I fruit it.
What are you going to do to fruit it? I always just wait till it pins in the bag. Mine always do within a week of full colonization.
Haha no clue, probably case it and fruit in SGFC with lid askew out of the bag with the top rolled down. Casing to help retain moisture as it is not going into a GH... No pins yet so I'm going to wait to decide.
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: urthtown]
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The cool thing about kings is you don't have to worry about getting them a lot of air, so no reason to leave that SGFC lid open unless it's for something else in there.
I have never tried casing kings, but from my limited experience growing them I don't really see a reason to. Mine pinned like crazy and grew with almost no effort. They're not that picky about moisture either. I never dunked my blocks between flushes, just sprayed with water and rolled the bag closed after harvesting, and they'd pin again within a week. Some people like to case though, and have good results. I'm just lazy
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: Forrester]
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On my last batch of Kings I did half with casing and half without. The cased subs all had a massive pinset across the whole surface, but most of them aborted. There wasn't much difference in final harvest weight between the two, so I wouldn't worry too much about casing them. The uncased fruits were much easier to clean too, btw.
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: ghiajake]
#19588652 - 02/19/14 05:50 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Great thanks a lot guys - looks like I'll just roll down the bag top and fruit as is! The lid is askew for the P djamor bags that are in the SGFC but I think they will flush pretty quickly and I haven't seen multiple flushes from any of my sawdust blocks yet so space should open up soon....
lol one SGFC is not enough room for what I have going on right now!
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: urthtown]
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ghiajake said: On my last batch of Kings I did half with casing and half without. The cased subs all had a massive pinset across the whole surface, but most of them aborted. There wasn't much difference in final harvest weight between the two, so I wouldn't worry too much about casing them. The uncased fruits were much easier to clean too, btw.
Good to know your opinion, having tried both! Confirms what I thought, not worth the extra step 
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I reached that conclusion very quickly! Gotta get the GH and you'll never go back.
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: Forrester]
#19590148 - 02/19/14 02:17 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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PIN PORN!

Do you think a casing layer would've encouraged pinning from the top of the sub rather than from the myc on the sides of the bag? I think these guys will be alright - I'm assuming the myc will grow to support these pins as the develop into full on kings?
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: urthtown]
#19638764 - 03/02/14 09:38 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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You should scrape all the mycelium of the sides to the block. Then make some scratches and close the bag up until it pins. It looks like you already cut the bag so just scrape and scratch. I personally like to case mine in big tubs but if you only have a bag or two it wont make a huge difference.
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You think I should scrape off all the pins that I have already or just scrape the top in addition? The bag is actually just rolled down rather than cut. Is there some concern with pins off the side like this reaching maturity?
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: urthtown]
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Yes, they never grow to fruition. You man get one or two to grow an inch or so. You are better off scrapping them off, scratching the top of the block, closing the bag and letting it pin properly. I know it means waiting another week or so, but at least you know it will pin. You can scratch the block and leave it as is. You will probably get some pins on top of the block while the little climber pins grow some then abort.
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Well I scraped the surface up a bit but so far the pins are still growing out and the caps are getting darker and speckled. Hope they end up growing out fully. Thanks for the responses chef - I did clear away the majority of the mycelium and pins climbing outside the bag but left the healthy looking ones with a thick, healthy mycelial connection to the block.
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: urthtown]
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Good stuff, they look good. Keep us updated.
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GET IN MY BELLLLLLLY!!!!!! Can't wait to eat these bad boys.
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: ghiajake]
#19653852 - 03/05/14 09:28 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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ghiajake said: On my last batch of Kings I did half with casing and half without. The cased subs all had a massive pinset across the whole surface, but most of them aborted. There wasn't much difference in final harvest weight between the two, so I wouldn't worry too much about casing them. The uncased fruits were much easier to clean too, btw.
Scientific literature contradicts your personal experience, suggesting 141% increases in yields on cased vs uncased straw. In contrast, supplemented straw only increased yields 14% vs non-supplemented straw. The benefit of casing with P.eryngii is apparently very significant.
Perhaps the strain of P.Eryngii you are working with responds less to casing? Nonetheless, with such drastic increases in yields I'd expect you to notice some sort of a benefit. Not sure why you're not getting those results, but I personally would value peer-reviewed primary research more highly than your experiments. I suspect a flaw in your experiments...
I will be growing P.eryngii outdoors this summer, and will case most of it. I will also experiment with uncased beds, however. I'm interested to see the results! My experiment will surely be littered with flaws, however, so I still would rely mostly on scientific literature.
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: Delay]
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Delay said:[/b Scientific literature contradicts your personal experience, suggesting 141% increases in yields on cased vs uncased straw. In contrast, supplemented straw only increased yields 14% vs non-supplemented straw. The benefit of casing with P.eryngii is apparently very significant.
Perhaps the strain of P.Eryngii you are working with responds less to casing? Nonetheless, with such drastic increases in yields I'd expect you to notice some sort of a benefit. Not sure why you're not getting those results, but I personally would value peer-reviewed primary research more highly than your experiments. I suspect a flaw in your experiments...
I will be growing P.eryngii outdoors this summer, and will case most of it. I will also experiment with uncased beds, however. I'm interested to see the results! My experiment will surely be littered with flaws, however, so I still would rely mostly on scientific literature.
After writing this I decided to pull the King blocks back out of storage to fruit again. Was having a hard time getting them to pin, so I decided to case them just in case. That was only a couple days ago, and I haven't checked them yet today.
I am interested in seeing your outdoor eryngii beds, as I plan on some of my own. Are you going to do a log so we can see your progression?
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: ghiajake]
#19659298 - 03/06/14 12:55 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'll definitely think about casing the next one, interesting in seeing the difference myself though it wouldn't be very rigorous in terms of providing real data. I'm still working out how I want to settle in to producing what food and medicine I can out or one 32 qt mini mono tub and one 45 qt SGFC.
As for these guys - they are growing like a bawsssss.
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: urthtown]
#19666461 - 03/08/14 06:00 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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These ready for harvest? I want to make an omelette. 
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: urthtown]
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Yup, look ready to me. Some good looking breakfast you have there
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Thanks Chef! Onions are caramelizing now...
Any tips for getting a second flush?
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: urthtown]
#19666700 - 03/08/14 08:18 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: urthtown]
#19666815 - 03/08/14 09:21 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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I usually spray 'em well, close the bag and take it out of the GH. Within a week they usually pin in the bag again.
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: Forrester]
#20021478 - 05/21/14 06:16 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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Never pinned again in the bag so I put the block outside in a flower pot with some dirt on top and voila:
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: urthtown]
#20032146 - 05/23/14 08:43 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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Dinner. Damn these were tasty - grew way more cap and way less stalk outside.
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: urthtown]
#20032191 - 05/23/14 08:58 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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Look so tasty
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: 582510]
#20032517 - 05/23/14 10:18 PM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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Awesome! Kings always look so strange in their natural form.
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: Forrester]
#20033638 - 05/24/14 07:43 AM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah really surprised me - what's the main driving factor in the difference in morphology between an indoor and an outdoor fruit like this?
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: urthtown]
#20033750 - 05/24/14 08:51 AM (9 years, 8 months ago) |
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urthtown said: Yeah really surprised me - what's the main driving factor in the difference in morphology between an indoor and an outdoor fruit like this?
Indoors, CO2 buildup causes the elongated stems and smaller caps. Outdoors there's no way for CO2 to build up so the caps grow more how they're supposed to.
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