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Forrester
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: urthtown]
#19577409 - 02/16/14 10:21 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well the straw block with spent grain I did is a solid fucking brick of myc. Going to give it a few more days before I fruit it.
What are you going to do to fruit it? I always just wait till it pins in the bag. Mine always do within a week of full colonization.
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: Forrester]
#19586258 - 02/18/14 05:21 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Forrester said:
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urthtown said:
 
Well the straw block with spent grain I did is a solid fucking brick of myc. Going to give it a few more days before I fruit it.
What are you going to do to fruit it? I always just wait till it pins in the bag. Mine always do within a week of full colonization.
Haha no clue, probably case it and fruit in SGFC with lid askew out of the bag with the top rolled down. Casing to help retain moisture as it is not going into a GH... No pins yet so I'm going to wait to decide.
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: urthtown]
#19587893 - 02/18/14 11:16 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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The cool thing about kings is you don't have to worry about getting them a lot of air, so no reason to leave that SGFC lid open unless it's for something else in there.
I have never tried casing kings, but from my limited experience growing them I don't really see a reason to. Mine pinned like crazy and grew with almost no effort. They're not that picky about moisture either. I never dunked my blocks between flushes, just sprayed with water and rolled the bag closed after harvesting, and they'd pin again within a week. Some people like to case though, and have good results. I'm just lazy
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: Forrester]
#19588075 - 02/19/14 12:13 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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On my last batch of Kings I did half with casing and half without. The cased subs all had a massive pinset across the whole surface, but most of them aborted. There wasn't much difference in final harvest weight between the two, so I wouldn't worry too much about casing them. The uncased fruits were much easier to clean too, btw.
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: ghiajake]
#19588652 - 02/19/14 05:50 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Great thanks a lot guys - looks like I'll just roll down the bag top and fruit as is! The lid is askew for the P djamor bags that are in the SGFC but I think they will flush pretty quickly and I haven't seen multiple flushes from any of my sawdust blocks yet so space should open up soon....
lol one SGFC is not enough room for what I have going on right now!
Edited by urthtown (02/19/14 05:51 AM)
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: urthtown]
#19589011 - 02/19/14 08:35 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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ghiajake said: On my last batch of Kings I did half with casing and half without. The cased subs all had a massive pinset across the whole surface, but most of them aborted. There wasn't much difference in final harvest weight between the two, so I wouldn't worry too much about casing them. The uncased fruits were much easier to clean too, btw.
Good to know your opinion, having tried both! Confirms what I thought, not worth the extra step 
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urthtown said: lol one SGFC is not enough room for what I have going on right now! 
I reached that conclusion very quickly! Gotta get the GH and you'll never go back.
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: Forrester]
#19590148 - 02/19/14 02:17 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Go fruits go
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urthtown
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PIN PORN!

Do you think a casing layer would've encouraged pinning from the top of the sub rather than from the myc on the sides of the bag? I think these guys will be alright - I'm assuming the myc will grow to support these pins as the develop into full on kings?
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: urthtown]
#19638764 - 03/02/14 09:38 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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You should scrape all the mycelium of the sides to the block. Then make some scratches and close the bag up until it pins. It looks like you already cut the bag so just scrape and scratch. I personally like to case mine in big tubs but if you only have a bag or two it wont make a huge difference.
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You think I should scrape off all the pins that I have already or just scrape the top in addition? The bag is actually just rolled down rather than cut. Is there some concern with pins off the side like this reaching maturity?
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: urthtown]
#19639076 - 03/02/14 11:26 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yes, they never grow to fruition. You man get one or two to grow an inch or so. You are better off scrapping them off, scratching the top of the block, closing the bag and letting it pin properly. I know it means waiting another week or so, but at least you know it will pin. You can scratch the block and leave it as is. You will probably get some pins on top of the block while the little climber pins grow some then abort.
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Well I scraped the surface up a bit but so far the pins are still growing out and the caps are getting darker and speckled. Hope they end up growing out fully. Thanks for the responses chef - I did clear away the majority of the mycelium and pins climbing outside the bag but left the healthy looking ones with a thick, healthy mycelial connection to the block.
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: urthtown]
#19648863 - 03/04/14 06:26 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Good stuff, they look good. Keep us updated.
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GET IN MY BELLLLLLLY!!!!!! Can't wait to eat these bad boys.
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: ghiajake]
#19653852 - 03/05/14 09:28 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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ghiajake said: On my last batch of Kings I did half with casing and half without. The cased subs all had a massive pinset across the whole surface, but most of them aborted. There wasn't much difference in final harvest weight between the two, so I wouldn't worry too much about casing them. The uncased fruits were much easier to clean too, btw.
Scientific literature contradicts your personal experience, suggesting 141% increases in yields on cased vs uncased straw. In contrast, supplemented straw only increased yields 14% vs non-supplemented straw. The benefit of casing with P.eryngii is apparently very significant.
Perhaps the strain of P.Eryngii you are working with responds less to casing? Nonetheless, with such drastic increases in yields I'd expect you to notice some sort of a benefit. Not sure why you're not getting those results, but I personally would value peer-reviewed primary research more highly than your experiments. I suspect a flaw in your experiments...
I will be growing P.eryngii outdoors this summer, and will case most of it. I will also experiment with uncased beds, however. I'm interested to see the results! My experiment will surely be littered with flaws, however, so I still would rely mostly on scientific literature.
Edited by Delay (03/05/14 10:42 AM)
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: Delay]
#19654361 - 03/05/14 11:59 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Delay said:[/b Scientific literature contradicts your personal experience, suggesting 141% increases in yields on cased vs uncased straw. In contrast, supplemented straw only increased yields 14% vs non-supplemented straw. The benefit of casing with P.eryngii is apparently very significant.
Perhaps the strain of P.Eryngii you are working with responds less to casing? Nonetheless, with such drastic increases in yields I'd expect you to notice some sort of a benefit. Not sure why you're not getting those results, but I personally would value peer-reviewed primary research more highly than your experiments. I suspect a flaw in your experiments...
I will be growing P.eryngii outdoors this summer, and will case most of it. I will also experiment with uncased beds, however. I'm interested to see the results! My experiment will surely be littered with flaws, however, so I still would rely mostly on scientific literature.
After writing this I decided to pull the King blocks back out of storage to fruit again. Was having a hard time getting them to pin, so I decided to case them just in case. That was only a couple days ago, and I haven't checked them yet today.
I am interested in seeing your outdoor eryngii beds, as I plan on some of my own. Are you going to do a log so we can see your progression?
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: ghiajake]
#19659298 - 03/06/14 12:55 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'll definitely think about casing the next one, interesting in seeing the difference myself though it wouldn't be very rigorous in terms of providing real data. I'm still working out how I want to settle in to producing what food and medicine I can out or one 32 qt mini mono tub and one 45 qt SGFC.
As for these guys - they are growing like a bawsssss.
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: urthtown]
#19666461 - 03/08/14 06:00 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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These ready for harvest? I want to make an omelette. 
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: urthtown]
#19666511 - 03/08/14 06:39 AM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yup, look ready to me. Some good looking breakfast you have there
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Thanks Chef! Onions are caramelizing now...
Any tips for getting a second flush?
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