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urthtown
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: Ganzig]
#19501711 - 01/31/14 02:51 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Alrighty well looks like I'll just do another everything but the kitchen sink sawdust block with coffee, straw, sawdust, wood shavings, wheat bran and gypsum. I'll do two blocks - one for my king oyster clone and one for my pink oyster spawn.
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: Ganzig]
#19503942 - 01/31/14 11:07 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ganzig said: Strange. The kings I have start fruiting before I get a chance to put them in fruiting conditions. Straw, coffee, or whatever. The straw bags and coffee bags I did fruited in my living room with a few sprays from a spray bottle each day.
It is strange, I've had good luck with them like you. I can't believe when I see people have had trouble! I've worked with 3 different cultures, and all of them pin in the bag within DAYS of colonization. After harvest I just spray the block and roll the bag closed again, and they'll start flushing again in less than a week. Half the time I don't even notice until I've got large invitro fruits with no caps. Back in the FC and I've got a decent 2nd flush. I'm on flush 3 for some of my bags right now!
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: Forrester]
#19505695 - 02/01/14 11:00 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ok so maybe a strange question... but if I'm mixing straw with sawdust and supplementing with coffee and wheat germ... I will have to sterilize the coffee and wheat germ in the PC but I've read RR saying sterilized straw is likely to contam before colonization. Is this just if you treat your sterilized straw as if it were pasteurized, it is likely to contam? Like if you did a laundry hamper grow with sterilized straw this would obviously be a high contam risk but sterilizing straw in a myco bag in a substrate blend seems fairly safe to me?
The plan is to mix it all together - Hardwood sawdust, aspen shavings at about 60%, shredded straw at about 20%, a blend of coffee grounds and wheat germ at about 15% and gypsum and vermiculite at 5% - and PC as normal in myco bags.
I like the idea of using a blend of subs like this for my edibles - using coffee grounds, eventually using spent grain from brewing too. The healthiest diet is a diverse one right, as long as the C:N ratio is favourable?
If the sterilized straw might be an issue, I was considering pasteurizing it separately in jars and then mixing into the myco bag with the spawn in my SAB. What do you guys think? Thanks!
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: urthtown]
#19538770 - 02/08/14 09:23 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hows this project going?
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urthtown
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GordonWeasel said: Hows this project going?
Hey! I just spawned the wheat berries to a mix of shredded straw, spent brewers grain, vermiculite and gypsum and it seems to be taking off well.

Thanks for the interest.
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: urthtown]
#19538845 - 02/08/14 09:37 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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I have several bags of Kings going off at the moment. I just use fir pellets with gypsum and wheat bran (obviously sterilized). When the bag is well colonized, I scratch the surface with a sterile fork, spray it well, re-close the bag, and punch fork-holes with a hot fork all over and place in the Martha. Pins appear in no time at all. I do not cold shock. When they're well on their way I open the bag and usually cut it away so they can mature. Here's a bag I just harvested:
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Your kings always look so nice.
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: Jeff]
#19539038 - 02/08/14 10:29 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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I can't wait to see how those kings do on the spent grain!
Queen - You do the scratching thing eh? I've never tried that, maybe I should... I'm curious what you do for 2nd and later flushes though? I've just been taking the bag out of the GH and within a week I'll notice some pins smashed in-between the substrate and bag. I cut the bag there but they're usually kinda disfigured from being squished  Here's a 2nd flush:

I hope you don't mind Urthtown, I'm not trying to thread-jack here
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: Forrester]
#19539364 - 02/08/14 11:55 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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urthtown
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: Forrester]
#19539373 - 02/08/14 11:58 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Forrester said: I can't wait to see how those kings do on the spent grain!

I hope you don't mind Urthtown, I'm not trying to thread-jack here 
Not at all! Awesome to see so many successful stolen genetics grows on the P eryngii. I just hope I can produce something to add haha! So far just fluffy myc.
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: Forrester]
#19539887 - 02/08/14 02:04 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Forrester said: I can't wait to see how those kings do on the spent grain!
Queen - You do the scratching thing eh? I've never tried that, maybe I should... I'm curious what you do for 2nd and later flushes though? I've just been taking the bag out of the GH and within a week I'll notice some pins smashed in-between the substrate and bag. I cut the bag there but they're usually kinda disfigured from being squished  Here's a 2nd flush:

I hope you don't mind Urthtown, I'm not trying to thread-jack here 
That is a beautiful second flush. Mine do that too!! Makes for a lot of bag trimming! I spray the heck out of the blocks and leave them in the Martha for a second flush. Usually don't wait around for a third. Real estate is prime in the Martha and I'm always shifting things about to make room.
I started scratching Kings because I saw a huge commercial Asian operation where they scratch them. Gazillions of Kings. Made me think they generally knew what they were doing. As they usually do with mushrooms!
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I was looking, but apparently I didn't take pics of my Kings at the height of their flush. Shucks! Here's a couple pics of them though. This was my first attempt at Kings, but they were supposed to have been Blues. Watch your dish labels when trading folks.
  
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: ghiajake]
#19540423 - 02/08/14 04:20 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Nice, pasteurized / non-supplemented sawdust on those?
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: Forrester]
#19540580 - 02/08/14 04:48 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Nope. On the three that are cased I used Red Oak sawdust, vermiculite, wheat bran, and hydrated lime and oven pastuerized at 200F for 3 hours. The casing was pasteurized 50/50 fine verm/peat moss. The 4 un-cased tubs were Red Oak sawdust, vermiculite, hardwood mulch, cottonseed meal, and hydrated lime (done in the oven the same way). Each tub was 4-5qt of substrate spawned with a 1/2qt of grain spawn.
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: ghiajake]
#19540647 - 02/08/14 05:03 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Oven pasteurized at 200f? Wow, never heard of that one. Seems to have worked How much bran would you say you had in there?
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: Forrester]
#19540761 - 02/08/14 05:25 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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I don't think is was the oven pasteurizing that worked. I believe it was the lime. I vacuum sealed all the mixed dry ingredients months before hand, and just added water before putting it in the oven. I'll have to dig out my notes, but I think I used 16 cups sawdust, 12 cups of coarse verm, 8 cups of bran, and a cup of lime per batch. Don't quote me on that though, I may be wrong. I still have a couple "logs" I think.
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: ghiajake]
#19540887 - 02/08/14 05:50 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Wow, interesting you can get away with supplementing with bran using the lime method.
That second flush picture above I actually supplemented quite heavily, and only "bucket-tek" pasteurized. No sterilization done at all, and it worked fine.
Amazing what you can get away with, with kings!
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: Forrester]
#19540982 - 02/08/14 06:11 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Didn't I see you over on the thread about lime pasteurizing grains? It's beginning to look like controlling the pH is more important than sterilizing. From my last failed batch of LC, I can say don't bother liming LC to help with contams. Nothing grows. Or maybe I just got the pH too high.
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: ghiajake]
#19541197 - 02/08/14 07:05 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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ghiajake said: Didn't I see you over on the thread about lime pasteurizing grains? It's beginning to look like controlling the pH is more important than sterilizing. From my last failed batch of LC, I can say don't bother liming LC to help with contams. Nothing grows. Or maybe I just got the pH too high.
Yeah I don't have too much experience with lime, but I've been following all the threads. I don't see lime ending the need to sterilize grain spawn, but it is interesting the applications everyone is finding for it lately!
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Re: King Oyster Clones [Re: Forrester]
#19573780 - 02/16/14 08:11 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well the straw block with spent grain I did is a solid fucking brick of myc. Going to give it a few more days before I fruit it.
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