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Substrates in a self sufficient lifestyle?
#19291778 - 12/18/13 04:07 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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So Ive been investing a long time to move to uruguay and slowly move into my own self sufficient lifestyle. Ive been studying hard about what plants to cultivate and really wanna continue fungi later down the road too. So, for the sake of my sanity and my research/prep going smoothly. Im trying to figure out what substrates I could grow to aid my quest.
I figure paper should be easy enough if not logs for woody species. Id assume maize would work since everyone uses popcorn.
I just dont wanna have to do an acre of grain every year. There must be more out there that can be grown in mass quantities that serve more purpose than just substrate.
Just looking for ideas here. Anyone?
Also someone told me that you can grow on sunflower seeds. Is that even possible?
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Re: Substrates in a self sufficient lifestyle? [Re: Adustus]
#19291885 - 12/18/13 05:01 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hey man, dunno shit. But I'm moving towards the same boat. Don't shitakes grow on hardwood? That's years of growth. I'm in Montana USA and have pine without much else. I was wondering what to grow. I'm sure if you're doing outdoor patches good compost should be able to cover most of your bases but addatives are nice to have. Have you heard of aquaponics?
Anyways I think you've really got your head in the right area, even if nobody else shows up maybe we'll find some good stuff. I'd love to be able to produce a big enough surplus to sell to restaraunts but knowing youre sustainable would be awesome
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Re: Substrates in a self sufficient lifestyle? [Re: shroombie]
#19291976 - 12/18/13 06:14 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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You can grow mushrooms on pretty much any plant material, especially oysters.
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Re: Substrates in a self sufficient lifestyle? [Re: Adustus]
#19292452 - 12/18/13 09:07 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Adustus said: So Ive been investing a long time to move to uruguay and slowly move into my own self sufficient lifestyle. Ive been studying hard about what plants to cultivate and really wanna continue fungi later down the road too. So, for the sake of my sanity and my research/prep going smoothly. Im trying to figure out what substrates I could grow to aid my quest.
I figure paper should be easy enough if not logs for woody species. Id assume maize would work since everyone uses popcorn.
I just dont wanna have to do an acre of grain every year. There must be more out there that can be grown in mass quantities that serve more purpose than just substrate.
Just looking for ideas here. Anyone?
Also someone told me that you can grow on sunflower seeds. Is that even possible?
Growing in a self suffecientt style had nothing to do with study and everything to do with learning how to make the best use of available resources. And you won't know what those are till you found where your end location is. Try focusing on your resourcefulness not your research. With enough enginutiy you will find something; mushrooms are recyclers of waste. Try to locate near a coffee, sugarcane, corn, rice farms or sawmills, breweries, paper mills, etc and you will have all the sub you need. Also I believe it takes about 5 years before you could legally smoke the herb in Uruguay(if that effects your decisions at all) they don't alow foreigners to use; only citizens, which takes 5+years and background checks, etc.
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Re: Substrates in a self sufficient lifestyle? [Re: Aleon]
#19294684 - 12/18/13 06:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've grown Oysters on Okra stalks with great success, Tomato vines with slightly less success...I've thought about planting an acre of okra, but honestly, you'd do better for your land just digging the stalks back in and buying straw. Plus it's a lot of work drying and gathering.
The only grain I'd even think about harvesting by hand would be sunflower seeds. After a few hours of that, though, I think the 50lbs of wbs for 20 bucks at the feed store will look reaaaally attractive
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Re: Substrates in a self sufficient lifestyle? [Re: mrtumnas]
#19294961 - 12/18/13 07:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you're going to Uruguay because of the pot laws, there are two states where it's entirely legal now. Washington (where I live) and Colorado.
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Re: Substrates in a self sufficient lifestyle? [Re: liamtheloser]
#19295182 - 12/18/13 09:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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It has nothing to do with pot laws. Sure I like pot. But its mainly to escape america. Its just not my thing. I like uruguay. Itll only be like 3 years till I get citizenship with my wife. And by then Ill have my own land. So im not worried. They allow recreational use of most if not all substances.
And Im looking forward to an ayahuasca retreat and a life thats more productive and less about consumption. Besides the poison and gmo in the the food these days isnt edible to me anymore without illness. And Id rather head to south america to rough it out than fight to pay for poison free food in a dead beat economy.
Uruguay just has the most suitable laws for when im established and rather simple and quick citizenship/visas.
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Re: Substrates in a self sufficient lifestyle? [Re: Adustus]
#19295288 - 12/18/13 09:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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If you grow some kind of grain, you can use the grain for spawn. And the straw for substrate. It serves both purposes.
Ive read somewhere about using the leftover substrate from a primary decomposer, as a substrate for a secondary decomposer. Though I dont remember seeing any results of this.
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Re: Substrates in a self sufficient lifestyle? [Re: mrtumnas]
#19295454 - 12/18/13 10:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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wildernessjunkie said: If you grow some kind of grain, you can use the grain for spawn. And the straw for substrate. It serves both purposes.
Ive read somewhere about using the leftover substrate from a primary decomposer, as a substrate for a secondary decomposer. Though I dont remember seeing any results of this.
That does cover both bases rather well.
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mrtumnas said: I've grown Oysters on Okra stalks with great success, Tomato vines with slightly less success...I've thought about planting an acre of okra, but honestly, you'd do better for your land just digging the stalks back in and buying straw. Plus it's a lot of work drying and gathering.
The only grain I'd even think about harvesting by hand would be sunflower seeds. After a few hours of that, though, I think the 50lbs of wbs for 20 bucks at the feed store will look reaaaally attractive
So does this mean sunflower seeds work?
And if I grew maize can I use the stalks for substrate?
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Re: Substrates in a self sufficient lifestyle? [Re: Adustus]
#19295471 - 12/18/13 10:17 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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So does this mean sunflower seeds work?
And if I grew maize can I use the stalks for substrate?
Maybe. For SOME species. Maybe.
Yes! Corn/Maize can be a spawn. Though there are some better options out there. You can use the stalks, and the cobs for substrate. This is all species dependent of course. Oysters would eat that shit up though.
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So does this mean sunflower seeds work?
And if I grew maize can I use the stalks for substrate?
Maybe. For SOME species. Maybe.
Yes! Corn/Maize can be a spawn. Though there are some better options out there. You can use the stalks, and the cobs for substrate. This is all species dependent of course. Oysters would eat that shit up though.
Yeah Ive noticed species is the determining factor. So im hoping to have a few crops to cover the ones I wish to cultivate. And eventually Id like to get to outdoor cultivation and try to get them into the flow of the ecosystem. Who knows where my adventures will lead.
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Re: Substrates in a self sufficient lifestyle? [Re: Adustus]
#19295489 - 12/18/13 10:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Now if im using coffee in a substrate mix does it have to be organic coffee?
Starbucks kinda worries me. Big profits means secrets in my experience. Anyone grown off gimme or starbucks?
I got a 5 gal bucket I wanna go fill up.
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Re: Substrates in a self sufficient lifestyle? [Re: Adustus]
#19295532 - 12/18/13 10:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Never used coffee myself. Wood chips from the local tree service have been working out lately though.
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wildernessjunkie said: Never used coffee myself. Wood chips from the local tree service have been working out lately though.
Only local places I have wood wise are lowes and home depot. Yuck.
I just need to figure it out before I try it in my bulk spawn. Dont want it to fail because of my coffee being riddled with fungicides.
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Re: Substrates in a self sufficient lifestyle? [Re: Adustus]
#19295612 - 12/18/13 10:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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No trees being trimmed in your area at all?
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wildernessjunkie said: No trees being trimmed in your area at all?
No most of them are done out in the more rural areas. So its a real pain in the ass to get ahold of it that way. I have endless sources for papers and coffee though. And I know reishis love paper.
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Re: Substrates in a self sufficient lifestyle? [Re: Adustus]
#19295684 - 12/18/13 11:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Can you use dried leaves from the fall season as well?
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Re: Substrates in a self sufficient lifestyle? [Re: Adustus]
#19295708 - 12/18/13 11:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Depends on species.
Oysters will eat damn near anything. Haven't grown my reishi out yet.
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Re: Substrates in a self sufficient lifestyle? [Re: Adustus]
#19295730 - 12/18/13 11:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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A friend of mine tried growing oysters on Starbucks grounds and got a whole lot of green mold. Conclusion: not the best substrate because you really have to sterilize it (I think he may have figured it was sterile from the brewing process ), but it clearly supports fungal growth just fine.
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Re: Substrates in a self sufficient lifestyle? [Re: thiotimoline]
#19296057 - 12/19/13 12:46 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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thiotimoline said: A friend of mine tried growing oysters on Starbucks grounds and got a whole lot of green mold. Conclusion: not the best substrate because you really have to sterilize it (I think he may have figured it was sterile from the brewing process ), but it clearly supports fungal growth just fine.
Awesome. I figured it would be a no brainer to PC the coffee before you use it. Or at least something.
Will mushrooms eat coffee filters?
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Re: Substrates in a self sufficient lifestyle? [Re: Adustus]
#19296063 - 12/19/13 12:49 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Coffee grounds are already pasteurized. Which is what you want in a bulk substrate. Ive read a few threads about oysters grown on grounds. They will eat the coffee filter as well.
Seems pretty straight forward to me. Just pick up the coffee grounds, and add spawn.
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wildernessjunkie said: Coffee grounds are already pasteurized. Which is what you want in a bulk substrate. Ive read a few threads about oysters grown on grounds. They will eat the coffee filter as well.
Seems pretty straight forward to me. Just pick up the coffee grounds, and add spawn.
Well Id imagine oysters can because they are total goldburgs. But if you used a more sensitive species I can see how contams happen. Especially if you didnt use spawn first. Ive heard of alot of people who use a wedge or spores or cultures on a small amount and having on and off results.
But I never underestimate the power of some well colonized grain.
Maybe his process needs fine tuning?
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Re: Substrates in a self sufficient lifestyle? [Re: Adustus]
#19296149 - 12/19/13 01:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Im saving up my coffee now to try it out. Also started to save up my organic green tea as well to see if it can be a good additive to substrate mixes.
Figured a good side by side in some jars would be a good way to tell or not. Anyone know any info on green tea use?
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Re: Substrates in a self sufficient lifestyle? [Re: Adustus]
#19298233 - 12/19/13 02:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Coffee works fine but you have to use a small amount that will be colonized in a week or less cuz i_trichoderma loves coffee being as its nutrient rich. If you don't use them fresh then freeze them to keep em sterile. If your growing oysters they literally eat everything! Including oil and other complex hydrocarbons
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Re: Substrates in a self sufficient lifestyle? [Re: mrtumnas]
#19298531 - 12/19/13 03:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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mrtumnas said: I've grown Oysters on Okra stalks with great success, Tomato vines with slightly less success...I've thought about planting an acre of okra, but …
mrtumnas,
About your okra stalks, are you referring to the stalk of the plant or the seed pod/edible okra part?
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Re: Substrates in a self sufficient lifestyle? [Re: DRCola]
#19300708 - 12/20/13 12:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think green tea will be too soft to use. It will stick together and hold more moisture than woody stuff like straw or sawdust or the like. It will be wet with less surface area.
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Re: Substrates in a self sufficient lifestyle? [Re: Adustus]
#19304183 - 12/20/13 05:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think you will have trouble using straight coffee grounds. It is a rather acidic medium without much air, since the particle size is small and it packs together tightly. Oysters will grow on it but if there's not enough air incorporated into the substrate bacteria will take over and stall out even oysters. (This is what happened to me when I tried, although I'd like to give it another try.)I think coffee would mainly be useful as a substrate additive, or perhaps as a main sub with some supplements to control pH and add some air in.
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Re: Substrates in a self sufficient lifestyle? [Re: leschampignons]
#19305476 - 12/20/13 10:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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leschampignons said: I think you will have trouble using straight coffee grounds. It is a rather acidic medium without much air, since the particle size is small and it packs together tightly.

I haven't actually tried it myself but I tend to agree, I think they would better be used as a supplement (if at all) rather than a substrate.
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Re: Substrates in a self sufficient lifestyle? [Re: Forrester]
#19306379 - 12/21/13 04:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I used 50:50 starbucks grounds to coir for cubes, I'd imagine it would work for oysters.
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Re: Substrates in a self sufficient lifestyle? [Re: Forrester]
#19311280 - 12/22/13 10:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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leschampignons said: I think you will have trouble using straight coffee grounds. It is a rather acidic medium without much air, since the particle size is small and it packs together tightly.

I haven't actually tried it myself but I tend to agree, I think they would better be used as a supplement (if at all) rather than a substrate.
Yeah it doesnt seem much beyond oysters handle straight coffee well. Except cubes. They grow on cig butts and that just blows my mind.
Im more into making substrate mixes to give the fungus alot of variety. Seems like tea wouldnt be bad as an additive. But Ive seen coffee do really well as an additive for many species.
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Re: Substrates in a self sufficient lifestyle? [Re: Adustus]
#19315537 - 12/23/13 10:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Substrates in a self sufficient lifestyle? [Re: shroombie]
#19318673 - 12/23/13 09:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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shroombie said: You read mycellium running by stammets?
http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/6170694/Mycelium_Running
This is actually the copy I have on my kindle. Im still reading How to grow gourmet and medicinal mushrooms by Stamets.
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