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OfflineMotherNaturesSon
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Intense reboot of dopamine and addiction
    #19258984 - 12/11/13 07:23 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Basically, this is an addiction thread where we can talk about the various addictions we have and are or have been struggling with;

For me, it's been about 2 months since I quit watching porn and masturbating for good. A month since I smoked my last cigarette and my last joint. In other words I've quit the big 3 all at once (virtually):

Weed.
Tobacco.
Porn/Fapping.

All gone. The triple cold turkey.

So, here as some of the symptoms I have experienced so far:

I am sometimes feeling extremely depressed and detached.
I am often tense and anxious.
I am always irritable and experience a general lack of motivation.
I sometimes have difficulty enjoying sex. Not that I don't want to, mind you.
I often experience contemplation of negative things and worst-case scenarios in my life.


However. Underneath all that I feel like something good is happening. I feel like the innermost part of "myself" is unfazed by all of this.  I merely look at these experiences as one would at sudden weather changes. And after a single acid trip a few days back, I feel like I have gained a superpower to distinguish myself from what I experience due to biological processes in my brain. This has been immense help to me. I know tripping might have seemed like a bad idea, but it felt right and I cruised the experience, gaining exactly what I needed most.

Anyways, the symptoms I mentioned beforehand have an interesting pattern. I have been observing them and noticed that they seem to follow the 'declining wave' pattern, as in the top of the wave being feeling the symptoms strongly and the bottom of the wave feeling somewhat alleviated. Up an down it goes, but the symptoms are a little weaker each time they reach their respective peaks. Of course, there are unforeseen 'spikes' here and there, but those are often due to the perpetuation of these symptoms due to my own reaction and behaviour at the time.

Has anyone else undergone such severe self-help concerning their addictions? I'd like to hear about it and any input or relation is welcome.


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Re: Intense reboot of dopamine and addiction [Re: MotherNaturesSon] * 1
    #19259044 - 12/11/13 07:58 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Good for you.  But what's the problem with rubbing one out once in a while?
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Re: Intense reboot of dopamine and addiction [Re: Le_Canard]
    #19259089 - 12/11/13 08:21 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Masturbating isn't that much of a problem if you do it for your own reason and not merely because you're bored, anxious, procrastinating, angry, lonely, etc. If your girl ain't around and you really feel like you need to bust a nut; that's fine, I suppose.

It's more the conjunction with porn that creates certain dopamine pathway responses that leads to addiction and certain psychological changes. There's an amazing TED talk about this that goes into detail on it. lemme find it:



enjoy. i had no idea that my everyday enjoyment of porn could be such a problem :shrug: it's something to do with arousal and novelty addiction :lol:


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Excerpts of inner dialogue III-V-VIII:

"Im no saint, but I do have genuine intentions."
"So you believe in intensions?"
"No. I believe in being genuine."


"The goal is to become more child-like, and less child-ish."


Edited by MotherNaturesSon (12/11/13 08:28 AM)


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Re: Intense reboot of dopamine and addiction [Re: MotherNaturesSon]
    #19259648 - 12/11/13 11:13 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Want to talk about rebooting dopamine? Lets talk about beating heroin addiction and not being able to feel "love". Finally starting to come back after a year or so.


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Re: Intense reboot of dopamine and addiction [Re: Mescalean]
    #19259834 - 12/11/13 12:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Well please do share :eek: sounds like a very intense ride!

how dem dopamines of yours holding up?


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Excerpts of inner dialogue III-V-VIII:

"Im no saint, but I do have genuine intentions."
"So you believe in intensions?"
"No. I believe in being genuine."


"The goal is to become more child-like, and less child-ish."


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Re: Intense reboot of dopamine and addiction [Re: MotherNaturesSon]
    #19259915 - 12/11/13 12:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Very poorly. Picture you wanting to love someone with all you have, but can't the battery is half charged and majority of that juice goes towards keeping yourself up at work. Lifes mundane. I have my good days and bad days. Weed actually helps in a way.

Ever see the movie limitless? How when he took that pill he became a numbers genius and a social genius? I got the second from opiates. No one ever knew I was high because I was so high functioning doped out. Centered all social anxiety, could walk up to any random bitch and start mackin.

Different being off it. I live opiates buy I made a promise to her I won't us. She grew up with a father whos an addict.


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Re: Intense reboot of dopamine and addiction [Re: Mescalean]
    #19260583 - 12/11/13 02:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Strength training, aerobic training, and tyrosine rich foods (duck, turkey, pork, chicken, luncheon meats, cottage cheese, ricotta, milk, yogurt, walnuts, soybeans, wheat germ, granola, rolled oats, dark chocolate, and eggs) are the lifestyle factors to be concerned about if you're trying to improve your dopamine system. Consistency is more important than intensity with the training, imo. DHEA and Rhodiola I've also personally had decent results with.

In reference to opiates, many Shroomery members have had luck with using Kratom to help quit the habit...likely would help for tobacco as well. Of course, dependency on Kratom is possible as well, but from what I've experienced thus far, doesn't seem highly likely.


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Re: Intense reboot of dopamine and addiction [Re: Xingu]
    #19260597 - 12/11/13 02:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I've been weight training my whole life and practicing good health/ athletic goals. All it takes is that one time of being down to try it and get hooked.


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Re: Intense reboot of dopamine and addiction [Re: Mescalean]
    #19261253 - 12/11/13 04:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Xingu said:
Strength training, aerobic training, and tyrosine rich foods (duck, turkey, pork, chicken, luncheon meats, cottage cheese, ricotta, milk, yogurt, walnuts, soybeans, wheat germ, granola, rolled oats, dark chocolate, and eggs) are the lifestyle factors to be concerned about if you're trying to improve your dopamine system. Consistency is more important than intensity with the training, imo. DHEA and Rhodiola I've also personally had decent results with.

In reference to opiates, many Shroomery members have had luck with using Kratom to help quit the habit...likely would help for tobacco as well. Of course, dependency on Kratom is possible as well, but from what I've experienced thus far, doesn't seem highly likely.




Thank you. This is very true :thumbup:



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I've been weight training my whole life and practicing good health/ athletic goals. All it takes is that one time of being down to try it and get hooked.




Well opiates are very overpowering, that is true :sad:


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Excerpts of inner dialogue III-V-VIII:

"Im no saint, but I do have genuine intentions."
"So you believe in intensions?"
"No. I believe in being genuine."


"The goal is to become more child-like, and less child-ish."


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Re: Intense reboot of dopamine and addiction [Re: MotherNaturesSon]
    #19265852 - 12/12/13 01:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

*stands up*

Hi my name is Robert I'm a weed-head...

"Hi Robert"

I know weed is a "lesser" addiction to many, but I absentmindedly used it to treat my own depression for years. I thought it was giving me what was missing in my brain. It made me happy, social and normal. For the first time in a long time I had something you could call a life.

Then of course it stopped working so good, started making me lazy and stupid. When sober my social anxieties would be magnified and bleed over into all areas of my life. Started worrying about car accidents and shootings when out and public, that shit. Turns out my anxieties are the reason for my depression, and weed was only makin that worse.

So yeah, now I've stopped for the 7th or so serious attempt. It just scares me that my mind always finds a way to rationalize picking up a bag even though the act of picking up, rolling and finally smoking it takes hours to complete. I smoke and feel awesome for about 15 minutes, then feel like shit until I smoke again the next day for another 15 minutes of happiness.

When I'm sober life feels bleak and I don't find anything fun/funny...I see everything in such a negative light. Yeah my life sucks because of my bad decisions, but it's not as bad as it feels right now.

I know ill get over it and am pretty ambitious normally, but right now I'm feeling low and just need to grit my teeth through these next few days until my brain gets back in balance again.


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Re: Intense reboot of dopamine and addiction [Re: MotherNaturesSon]
    #19265954 - 12/12/13 02:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Keep it up MNS!:thumbup:
This thread will be my inspiration to better myself.

I want to cut weed from my regimen completely.
Have the motivation just haven't truly acted on it.  In time I know I'll be good..I just need to quit fucking around with it, for it doesn't provide me much benefit nowadays.

And I'm currently  working on not working out religiously..I've identified myself with a body instead of a mind..I've been balanced with working out the past 10 days or so and it's been a nice mental adjustment.

These two habits have been engrained in me over the years..Tearing down one will ease the other I imagine...Though weed isn't necessarily hard for me to quit..It's just when I go a long stretch of no weed I rationalize with myself that it's ok and I will enjoy it...And I usually don't.

I think LSD is something so special in terms of manifesting what you are :heart:


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Re: Intense reboot of dopamine and addiction [Re: cez]
    #19269302 - 12/13/13 03:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I kicked my video game addiction, after playing them for about 15 years since I was a kindergarten child.
Now I'm kicking my fapping and porn addiction. I fap now abour 2-1 time a week, but want to stop completely.

I'm also forming new, positive habits, like guitar and I want to go to university, so I'm just being open to the fact that I have to study a lot.


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Re: Intense reboot of dopamine and addiction [Re: HeartAndMind]
    #19270205 - 12/13/13 10:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I am stopping weed, fapping, facebook(for a while). 2 days since I last fapped. 6 days since I last blazed.


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Re: Intense reboot of dopamine and addiction [Re: Positive]
    #19270428 - 12/13/13 11:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

jimboob said:
*stands up*

Hi my name is Robert I'm a weed-head...

"Hi Robert"

I know weed is a "lesser" addiction to many, but I absentmindedly used it to treat my own depression for years. I thought it was giving me what was missing in my brain. It made me happy, social and normal. For the first time in a long time I had something you could call a life.

Then of course it stopped working so good, started making me lazy and stupid. When sober my social anxieties would be magnified and bleed over into all areas of my life. Started worrying about car accidents and shootings when out and public, that shit. Turns out my anxieties are the reason for my depression, and weed was only makin that worse.

So yeah, now I've stopped for the 7th or so serious attempt. It just scares me that my mind always finds a way to rationalize picking up a bag even though the act of picking up, rolling and finally smoking it takes hours to complete. I smoke and feel awesome for about 15 minutes, then feel like shit until I smoke again the next day for another 15 minutes of happiness.

When I'm sober life feels bleak and I don't find anything fun/funny...I see everything in such a negative light. Yeah my life sucks because of my bad decisions, but it's not as bad as it feels right now.

I know ill get over it and am pretty ambitious normally, but right now I'm feeling low and just need to grit my teeth through these next few days until my brain gets back in balance again.




weed is a seriously addictive drug. Because it has such a minimal general load on the body (that builds up over time nonetheless) and feels so good! Too much weed over long periods of time = emotional disorders. I've been there once- NOT going back. I didn't smoke weed for a year at one point. Did wonders to pause it, which is the very same reason I'm doing it now. Keep it up man! This is important. You might experience some emotional problems over a few months period. But you gotta wait it out :smile:

I always used to say: I'm no gourmet. I'm a druggie. And a good druggie knows how to tango with addiction and lead it. So lead!



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Keep it up MNS!:thumbup:
This thread will be my inspiration to better myself.

I want to cut weed from my regimen completely.
Have the motivation just haven't truly acted on it.  In time I know I'll be good..I just need to quit fucking around with it, for it doesn't provide me much benefit nowadays.

And I'm currently  working on not working out religiously..I've identified myself with a body instead of a mind..I've been balanced with working out the past 10 days or so and it's been a nice mental adjustment.

These two habits have been engrained in me over the years..Tearing down one will ease the other I imagine...Though weed isn't necessarily hard for me to quit..It's just when I go a long stretch of no weed I rationalize with myself that it's ok and I will enjoy it...And I usually don't.

I think LSD is something so special in terms of manifesting what you are :heart:




I'm most glad to be able to inspire! Good vibes, bro!

Yes this thread is meant for bawing, sharing and backing each other up as we take our addictions head on.

It's okay to smoke weed when you feel good about smoking it. I found that I would subconsciously feel bad about myself for not being able to stop smoking and for having to smoke whenever I can. This creates this undertone of a nasty tense vibe that can lead to some emotional problems if not addressed long enough.

Remember that cold turkey is a bitch. When I stopped smoking weed I did so by not smoking for two weeks. Then I smoked a little one day. After that- a week of no smoking again. And then one little pipe hit at the end of the week. Then a month of no smoking. If you start to feel that your dopamine is getting very low - you might award yourself with a small toke weekend, but make sure its small and aesthetic. Don't fall back into it. After the weekend is done- don't smoke for a long time again.

Little by little you get into the mentality of not craving to smoke all the time but rather smoking on good occasions after having completed something. Suddenly you don't even notice you haven't smoked for two months and you suddenly feel a natural and genuine feel to smoke a little weed and relax with a movie. You do that and live on.

Weed is a slippery mistress for sure. good luck with her, man. LSD is great for addiction if you honestly get into the mindset of going deep into your compulsions and addictions. It helped me a whole lot. One trip was all i needed and quitting never seemed easier. But you know how it goes. It's hard to reproduce such outcomes, I guess it was just the way things had to turn out for me :shrug:


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I kicked my video game addiction, after playing them for about 15 years since I was a kindergarten child.
Now I'm kicking my fapping and porn addiction. I fap now abour 2-1 time a week, but want to stop completely.

I'm also forming new, positive habits, like guitar and I want to go to university, so I'm just being open to the fact that I have to study a lot.




Fapping and porn can become a problem. I had a strong intimacy problem after many many many years of porn+fap. I was completely stunned about it when i realised it. Never experienced gaming addiction. Not my thing. But I'm sure it can be just as intense as any addiction.

Go for it without hesitation.


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I am stopping weed, fapping, facebook(for a while). 2 days since I last fapped. 6 days since I last blazed.




That's great work! Are you feeling alright?



I've noticed one good way of beating an addictions is to get to know your relationship to the addiction. Once you genuinely get it without rationalisation- it becomes much easier :thumbup:


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Excerpts of inner dialogue III-V-VIII:

"Im no saint, but I do have genuine intentions."
"So you believe in intensions?"
"No. I believe in being genuine."


"The goal is to become more child-like, and less child-ish."


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Re: Intense reboot of dopamine and addiction [Re: MotherNaturesSon]
    #19273369 - 12/14/13 03:18 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I was feeling pretty euphoric off of this music yesterday. Went to the gym and lifted a bit. I plan to do the same today. Since waking at 7am I've probably slept another 4 hours. The bed is a fucking drug man...

I WILL NOT lay in bed after waking up. Hahaha I had a dream I was stealing yogurt..because the kind with nuts had 10 mg DXM in it. The manager started yelling at an employee because the store was becoming famous for a sex tape that the employee made in the Center of a store.

I've laid off the porn for about 6 months, with maybe one "relapse"? I didn't fap to it though. I find porn to somehow be oppressive to women...

Boredom is the killer.


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Re: Intense reboot of dopamine and addiction [Re: MotherNaturesSon]
    #19273396 - 12/14/13 03:46 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Go for it without hesitation.



Will do :thumbup:


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Re: Intense reboot of dopamine and addiction [Re: Positive]
    #19279905 - 12/15/13 03:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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I was feeling pretty euphoric off of this music yesterday. Went to the gym and lifted a bit. I plan to do the same today. Since waking at 7am I've probably slept another 4 hours. The bed is a fucking drug man...

I WILL NOT lay in bed after waking up. Hahaha I had a dream I was stealing yogurt..because the kind with nuts had 10 mg DXM in it. The manager started yelling at an employee because the store was becoming famous for a sex tape that the employee made in the Center of a store.

I've laid off the porn for about 6 months, with maybe one "relapse"? I didn't fap to it though. I find porn to somehow be oppressive to women...

Boredom is the killer.




Dreams intnsify during dopamine reboots i've noticed. Basically any addiction i kick is followed with intensified dreams. I wonder if that can be used as material for study...

I hear ya though. The right-before-you-fall-asleep-moment-after-having-slept is irresistible to me too.

Porn is definitely not what it used to be :shrug: and ya, kicking porn is a very good choice for any person, imo. Relapses or not, the point is to kick the addiction and grow some new dopamine receptors!

hai hai lets go kickasssuuu!

:superscream:

I've had a little relapse moment with weed of my own. Was my friend's party. Had just gotten a new apartment. Couldn't resist. Had a good time too.

But besides that I'm all good. Not like I'm gonna go lurk for dime bags now :lol:


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Excerpts of inner dialogue III-V-VIII:

"Im no saint, but I do have genuine intentions."
"So you believe in intensions?"
"No. I believe in being genuine."


"The goal is to become more child-like, and less child-ish."


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Re: Intense reboot of dopamine and addiction [Re: MotherNaturesSon]
    #19282646 - 12/16/13 07:08 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Today I realised that my many years of everyday porn has left me with a severe novelty seeking behavioural pattern and that it is interfering with my newly found relationship that I treasure above all else. I find myself urging novel experiences with women and dream dreams that hint at it, whilst my mind is perfectly clear that I do not and will not seek out such behaviour, but the urge is coded into my brain because it has been conditioned to behave so. Well then...

Destroy habit mode: ON
Methods: Sheer willpower, neuroplasiticity, cognitive self-therapy, meditation and mindfulness.
Reasons: I love her above all else. I would rather live in depression for the rest of my life than hurt her. Fucking believe it.

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Excerpts of inner dialogue III-V-VIII:

"Im no saint, but I do have genuine intentions."
"So you believe in intensions?"
"No. I believe in being genuine."


"The goal is to become more child-like, and less child-ish."


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Re: Intense reboot of dopamine and addiction [Re: MotherNaturesSon]
    #19290411 - 12/17/13 08:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah mindfulness and self-awareness is key. You need to be able to keep tabs on your thoughts and behaviors to make sure your not maintaining/cultivating bad habits/karma.


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Re: Intense reboot of dopamine and addiction [Re: jimboob]
    #19291687 - 12/18/13 03:16 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Subscribing to this thread. I'll definitely be participating, just not at 4am when I'm incredibly anxious and haven't slept properly in over 3 weeks.


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