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jivangilad
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Acacia Confusa in gel cups?
#19291579 - 12/18/13 02:25 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think to take first syrian rue powder 2g in gel caps, and then Confusa powder in the same way, to imitate ayahuska. Is it possible, and what would be the dose, for strong/ light experience?
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Re: Acacia Confusa in gel cups? [Re: jivangilad]
#19292565 - 12/18/13 09:41 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Taking straight acacia powder is going to be rough on your stomach One reason most folks will do a water extraction...
Technically, might work but timing would be a crap shoot Your stomach would have to digest the gel cap, then the acacia to get to the DMT All the while, hoping your MAOI is still effective ...
Why not make a tea and do a couple of extractions?
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Re: Acacia Confusa in gel cups? [Re: HarryL]
#19292578 - 12/18/13 09:46 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Plus it will be dmt tannate even worse on the stomach. Brew it in a pot with distilled water and lemon juice if your serious about feeling it same with the seeds and grind them up cook em seperate.
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according to this video,
it is possible with mimosa hostilis, and you need much less of quantity. He actually claims it is less rough on the stomach. also https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&m=506361#post506361 in the end of the page. I am a bit confused.
Edited by jivangilad (12/18/13 02:37 PM)
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Re: Acacia Confusa in gel cups? [Re: jivangilad]
#19294081 - 12/18/13 04:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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You asked for advice Take it or leave it...
But if some anonymous person is telling you to eat it in a video.. Up to you.... Let us know who it goes.
Seriously.... There is a reason the natives made drinks out of it...
Good vibes!
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Re: Acacia Confusa in gel cups? [Re: HarryL]
#19296853 - 12/19/13 07:12 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks. Is there a difference between Confusa and mimosa hostilis in term of tanin content/ stomach upset? Is confusa more harsh? If I make a brew of both syrian rue and confusa together, will I be able to remove the tanin with a spoon?
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Re: Acacia Confusa in gel cups? [Re: jivangilad]
#19392479 - 01/09/14 07:04 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have tried to take plain powder with some water. Syrian rue 1.5 gr, Mimosa 1.5 gr, 15 minutes later. It is a mild trip. Very healing and teaching though. I think I am sensitive though.
1 gr each also produced good results. even at 0.5 gr each, I was able to function with better intuition and energry, at an important accasion. Not yet full trip though. Didnt fill major stomach problems.
I plan to raise up quantities gradually, and see where it goes. I find it very convenient, especially because I dont have access to cooking facilities. My wife at the time is watching me, and she doesnt like me using this plants. It also saves obviously much time, hussle, and plant material, and doesnt taste that bad. By the way, I assume that traditionally they dont use it this way, is because you cannot do it with caapi, which they use.
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Re: Acacia Confusa in gel cups? [Re: jivangilad]
#19392517 - 01/09/14 07:22 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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1.5mg is such a low dose that I'm surprised you felt anything. Do you not have a place where you can boil the bark and make a tea? I think that's what you should do and use a much higher dose.
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Re: Acacia Confusa in gel cups? [Re: Aopocetx]
#19392789 - 01/09/14 09:24 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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1-2 gm sounds like placebo effect to me Or you were just feeling the rue
Good luck, let us know how it goes
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Re: Acacia Confusa in gel cups? [Re: HarryL]
#19392822 - 01/09/14 09:38 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
HarryL said: 1-2 gm sounds like placebo effect to me Or you were just feeling the rue
Good luck, let us know how it goes
You had some serious placebo trip there.. there is almost nothing happening under 5gs most of the time
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Re: Acacia Confusa in gel cups? [Re: rikuni]
#19393715 - 01/09/14 01:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hey there jivangilad, i just wanna say that i've taken Mimosa inner root bark power in capsules many, many, many times before with my Rue and even Moclobemide, and the Mimosa powder was able to be felt at 1 to 2 grams albeit very mildy but it wasn't placebo. With Acacia Confusa though, i've taken 3 grams of Acacia inner root bark in capsules a couple of times with Rue and it def. works although it does seem much harder on the stomach than the Mimosa powder ever did. In fact, anytime i ever took the Mimosa powder, even with Moclobemide instead of the Harmalas, it not once hurt my stomach, it was always the Harmalas that seemed to cause gut issues for me. But with the Acacia, i did have gut pains when i ingested the capsuled bark.
So imo, you should try what i'm doing now, which is to simply brew on up the Acacia Confusa, use egg whites to remove some of the tannins and crap out of the brew and filter out the egg whites. Once the brew is filtered and you've reduced it to about 500 mls or so, it can then be stuck in the freezer overnight and thawed the next day. After it's thawed, you can filter the tea through a coffee filter once more and the result is a clean, clear and practically tasteless Acacia Confusa brew. Granted, there might still be a little sediment in the bottom of the tea once everything is settled, but you can either drink it as is and just avoid the bottom of the brew or you can do what i do and fine tune it if you want which will take a few days, which is done by decanting off the good tea and allowing the sediment to settle and resume pouring, kinda like making wine.
In fact, last night i took about 215 to 220mgs of purified Rue Harmalas in a single capsule and washed it down with a Lemon Balm tea made from 2 grams. 30 minutes later i then drank one gram of Lemon Balm tea mixed with about 15mls of my concentrated Acacia Confusa tea which would be equivalent i think to 6 grams of the inner root bark. And let's just say last night was awesome, pretty much the first time since i've started using the Acacia that i had a pretty good experience. And plus there wasn't really any nausea or purging due to the Lemon Balm.
Though if you choose to go the tea route, i'd say do not acidify the Acacia tea, as acidifying it def. brings out more of the taste and smell. If you don't use an acid, which is fine as far as i'm concerned, then the resulting tea is practically tasteless and very easy to drink especially when mixed with Lemon Balm tea.
Edited by Sabnock (01/09/14 01:34 PM)
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Re: Acacia Confusa in gel cups? [Re: Sabnock]
#19398592 - 01/10/14 11:47 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Though the trip with 1.5 gr was not strong, it was definitely not a placebo, and was very meaningful. And I usually dont want it to be too strong. Anyway, I prefer not to cook since it is too complicated for me, this days . And if acacia makes problems in the guts, then I guess I will get myself some more Mimosa. I am curious though to give acacia a go once, with a very small dose and see if it makes gut problem. Thanks Sabnock.
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Re: Acacia Confusa in gel cups? [Re: jivangilad]
#19398604 - 01/10/14 11:51 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well if you get the effects you want then there's no reason to go higher.
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Re: Acacia Confusa in gel cups? [Re: Aopocetx]
#19401412 - 01/10/14 10:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Is this true that taking plain mimosa, you need less material then cooking it, like is stated in the video, and same with syrian rue?
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Re: Acacia Confusa in gel cups? [Re: jivangilad]
#19402025 - 01/11/14 01:16 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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If the Mimosa is inner root bark, and not regular root bark, then it should be potent enough to feel quite a bit with 2, 3 or even 4 capsules. In my earlier days of experimentation (2012, before Mimosa became rare again), i started off by taking 12 capsules of powdered inner root bark and it was sooooooo intense that honestly i believed it was way too much, so i went down to 6 capsules, and even that was a little strong so i went with 3 capsules, which ended up being my sweet spot at the time. I also tried to do a really high dose in just a few capsules, by doing a water extraction (room temp, overnight) on the powdered root bark and filtered out the bark and allowed the liquid to evaporate down to a residue which i scraped up into a purple powder and filled a few capsules with and it did indeed work.
Also, in December of 2012 i had ordered me some Moclobemide so i could give oral Mimosa a try without the Harmalas/Rue, and the day the Moclobemide arrived in the mail i took 150mgs and waited till later on that night and took another 150mgs (equaling 300mgs) and 30 minutes later took 3 00 sized capsules of Mimosa inner root bark powder. Within 30 minutes, i was fucking terrified, i didn't know how and i didn't know why, but holy hell the DMT hit me like it never has before nor since. In fact, i had to wake up my mom (who used to be a nurse) just to get her to help me calm down cuz man that was some strong shit. As for visuals, strange thing is i never really ever got any visuals from Mimosa and that night the only thing i saw were what looked like neon blue Egyptian symbols or something with eyes opened and it was only for a very brief moment. And btw there was zero nausea from the oral Mimosa and Moclobemide, no stomach issues of any kind.
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Re: Acacia Confusa in gel cups? [Re: Sabnock]
#19406811 - 01/12/14 03:51 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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In case I brew it. Would you say that taking plain powder 1g equals 1g brewed? I want to know to estimate the dosage. Also do you say, that simple water extraction on the powder, without cooking, will give the same result as cooking, or will it be less efficient?
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Re: Acacia Confusa in gel cups? [Re: jivangilad]
#19408343 - 01/12/14 01:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well when i brew my Acacia, if i'm brewing a hundred grams it'll be 500mls of brew, 25mls being approximately a 5 gram dose (1 gram per 5mls). If i'm using 200 grams the brew will still be 500mls but will be 250mls per 100grams, with 5mls being 2 grams per and 15mls being 6 grams.
As for the simple water extraction, i'd say just to brew/cook it instead of doing a water extraction. The only reason i did it before was because i was still trying to find a way to ingest the DMT-containing plant, which ultimately i've settled upon brewing the plant with egg whites and drinking it. If one was going to do the water extraction on the bark, the result would merely be 3 or 4 capsules of powdered/flaky residue, and while it does indeed work, it just takes some time and work and to me it's just not worth the time and work when there are easier ways to ingest this stuff IE brewing with egg whites. Maybe one could perhaps brew the plant with egg whites, filter and then evaporate the brew down to a residue for gel capping, but like i said to me it seems like more work and time that is unnecessary.
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Re: Acacia Confusa in gel cups? [Re: Sabnock]
#19409522 - 01/12/14 06:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I am trying this tonight with acrb in 00 gelcaps. I'm most likely going to eat the syrian rue. Should I grind it? How many acrb caps do you think I should take?
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Re: Acacia Confusa in gel cups? [Re: Positive]
#19409619 - 01/12/14 06:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah grind up the seeds and load em' up in capsules (i use 5 to 6 capsules of Rue seed), and perhaps the same amount of the Acacia, 5 to 6 capsules, as that's how much it took for me to feel pretty good effects from the Acacia inner root bark. And i've personally found it's best to take the Acacia 30 minutes after taking the Rue.
Now the Acacia might be a little rough on the stomach unless it's a very, very fine powder like the consistency of flour, perhaps the same with the Rue seed. I've actually come to find that if you kinda roast the Rue seeds in the oven at like 300 degrees for 15 to 30 minutes or so (you'll know when the smell changes) and then grind the seeds that the seed turns into a finer powder that may be a little easier on the stomach. But, one could always brew up about 2 to 3 grams of Lemon Balm into a tea (if they have it) and that will help curb any nausea and helps atleast with the Rue seed part.
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Re: Acacia Confusa in gel cups? [Re: Sabnock]
#19410863 - 01/13/14 01:16 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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ate Syrian rue raw. and 8 acrb caps. 45 mins ago. how long should i wait to re-dose. How long do the effects take? I'm making mad rhymes...
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