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is college still the best way to good life?
    #19291430 - 12/18/13 01:20 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

im not talking about illegal ways to make a good living

i mean a legit (or at least legit on paper) way to make a good living?

with the cost of college increasing every damn year i hear more and more people finish a degree and then end up working for mcdonalds because they cant find a job right away but have a shitton of bills to pay ..


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Re: is college still the best way to good life? [Re: fuzzysig]
    #19291489 - 12/18/13 01:43 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i life is as a grocery store, then, there are those who go with a shopping list; milk, eggs, butter, veggies, fruits and grains. there are those who go looking for deals; on sale, new.  some go to get coffee and see the scene.  the ones knowing what the want will get wait desired.  maybe, the milk is 2% not the whole wanted, or the eggs are from another farm.  yet, still fulfill the order.  those going for sales may find there favorite item at discount, or may settle for low price of non-likening.  if not know what go for, some good surprises may arise, or may leave empty handed, yet a pocket full of cash.  possibilities are endless.  for the most part, eye have seen the one through school with debt in degree not using and working next to myself.  others, PhD and on the crest of the wave.  all depends how YOU work it, or else be worked.  a fine balance between the two be a groovy thing to do.

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Re: is college still the best way to good life? [Re: WhoManBeing]
    #19291898 - 12/18/13 05:12 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Sales people (good ones) and self employed people (with creativity/resilience/resourcefulness) come to my mind when i think of wealthy non-college educated people :shrug:


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Re: is college still the best way to good life? [Re: SkysTheLimit]
    #19291992 - 12/18/13 06:26 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

it depends on what you do with your time at college.  picking a career in a high-demand industry will help you when getting out.  applying yourself to your coursework will help you when you get out.  participating in internships (even the unpaid ones, if thats all you can get at first, as you have no relevant work experience at that point) will help you when getting out.  networking among your faculty will help you when getting out.




staying home from class because you dont want to wake up the nasty wench you brought home last night will not help you when you get out.  spending four years in a stoned haze will not help you when you get out.  becoming a philosophy major will not help you when you get out.




things like that :smile:


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Re: is college still the best way to good life? [Re: fuzzysig]
    #19292020 - 12/18/13 06:44 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'd say that unless you strike entrepreneurial gold or win the lottery, yes. It probably is.


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Re: is college still the best way to good life? [Re: fuzzysig]
    #19293099 - 12/18/13 12:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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fuzzysig said:
im not talking about illegal ways to make a good living

i mean a legit (or at least legit on paper) way to make a good living?

with the cost of college increasing every damn year i hear more and more people finish a degree and then end up working for mcdonalds because they cant find a job right away but have a shitton of bills to pay ..





The debate about the effectiveness of college is almost comparable to religious debates, they lead nowhere - only in circles.

If you ask me, college is what you make it. What do you want? A job? Or do you actually want to study under learned doctors to whom knowledge has been handed down to since the history of humanity. Essentially they are providers of a vast amount of information. You can find this information anywhere but studying under a doctor is extremely valuable. Moreover, if you care about your major you will probably find a job. If you are just scraping by in college then you will probably find yourself at a fast food joint.

Me? I have jumped around a lot in life but I have always been learning. I want to finish my second bachelors, earn a masters, and then a Ph.D. and then I want to read more and work somewhere meager. I want to spend most of my time in the woods and in the rivers.

To me psychology and sociology has been a mind expanding experience.


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Re: is college still the best way to good life? [Re: XUL]
    #19293166 - 12/18/13 12:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

If I was to go back to school (which ironically i am but not for this) I would focus undergrad in medical field. Even if its cumbersome it still is edge of experience in a way. Pretty interesting biology and chemistry if u look at it right way. Classes can be hard but if you apply yourself you might succeed. Lots of opportunities when you get out.
Or just go education get job as teacher is a pretty easy route.

I did psychology and it was cool but im still trying to figure out what I want to do. Im going back for my MA in special ed, im not exactly sure why. Just be up front with yourself as soon as possible. ANd open to trying things for yourself to see what feels right.


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Re: is college still the best way to good life? [Re: weshroom]
    #19294621 - 12/18/13 06:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

seems like sad to say


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Re: is college still the best way to good life? [Re: shad0wz]
    #19295478 - 12/18/13 10:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I recommend product development, with launch using crowd-funding. Requires some start-up money, but not much.


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Re: is college still the best way to good life? [Re: chowster]
    #19295793 - 12/18/13 11:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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chowster said:
I recommend product development, with launch using crowd-funding. Requires some start-up money, but not much.




Hey, could you explain what this is? thanks


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Re: is college still the best way to good life? [Re: SkysTheLimit]
    #19296089 - 12/19/13 12:54 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

well the problem for me is the programs are designed to purposely try to do everything to make you fail. if you pass that means you re a good lab rat and they can continue stuffing information int your head.

i am from a different country and i can clearly tell the difference in how the information is presented

these fn schools are not made to make you understand the topic they are made to make you memorize whole bunch of shit and spit it back out during an exam... i remember (and understand) more  from my early education then from a year and a half of college i got here in US.

i just cant stand that crap how its all set up

theres no denying that todays education is not for education but for profit. and its profitable to keep people in school longer and like a crack house keep them coming back for more every year

i know the benefits of education but its just stresses me the f out.
just thinking about taking a class ive been short of breath for a week already i hate school but i know i need it and its a conflict.


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Re: is college still the best way to good life? [Re: fuzzysig]
    #19296094 - 12/19/13 12:56 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

some people dont think too much into it they can zombie out the whole 4-8 years of school and then slowly recover after that.
i cant physically do it knowhint what is really happening.
i get very stressed out to a point where i have a nervous breakdown or something similar.


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Re: is college still the best way to good life? [Re: SkysTheLimit]
    #19296102 - 12/19/13 12:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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SkysTheLimit said:
Quote:

chowster said:
I recommend product development, with launch using crowd-funding. Requires some start-up money, but not much.




Hey, could you explain what this is? thanks



he's basically saying start a company. i.e. entrepreneurship

Personally? If you're going to attend college the only degree's worth pursuing as far as ROI are the sciences, the practical ones. Medicine, engineering, etc. Trade schools are also wonderful, there are currently 3.2 million vocational positions that need filled in America. Welding is a great field, if you want to move to some more unsavory climates and get the right certs then you can make 70+ an hour ($100 an hour is not uncommon in Alaska for pipe welders). Entrepreneurship is also a great road to success if that is something your inclined towards, especially the tech industry. Currently i'm working for a small software consultancy in California and i'm making $15 an hour. Not a lot but thats my starting wage, I've been here for 4 months roughly and got the job two weeks after graduating high school so i'd say i'm doing pretty well for myself at this stage.


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Re: is college still the best way to good life? [Re: psyconaught]
    #19316021 - 12/23/13 12:45 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

A degree can be a blessing for those motivated to make the most of it or a burden to those that chose hastily and chose a bad course or something they actually don't like or isn't of value.

The statistics suggest in the longterm you'll be better off. I'd would advise however not to just get a degree for the sake of it.  If you're unsure about a field, try a few months work experience in the area.

The reason I advise caution is because I had a friend who got very strong grades late in shool. He decided to do Law to make the most of his high grades.  Just before starting his degree he was convicted of a minor drug offence which would rule him out of his desired line of work.

He just about completed a law degree with okay grades that he could never really utilise.


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Re: is college still the best way to good life? [Re: infected_2]
    #19317707 - 12/23/13 06:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'm in college and I think I would have probably been better off doing an apprenticeship. The reason being that in the time I was taking on debt I could have been making money instead of losing money and already be a journeyman working at master. Which would probably be paying me more than I will start out at any entry level position with a degree.

If I consider the debt I accumulated in the time that I could have been working towards a journeymen then I would be much better off.

An apprenticeship often pays you to learn the trade without having to learn all the other stuff you will never use, that you have to learn for a college degree.


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Re: is college still the best way to good life? [Re: teknix]
    #19318548 - 12/23/13 09:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Financially, a trade trumps most undergraduate degrees financially. Like teknix says, "earn while you learn"

- a trade allows you relatively short periods on school (sometimes paid for by an employer)
- Also, lots of time in the field earning and getting experience.
- Usually entry level jobs pay decent wages aswell, especially if you are part of a union.
- Trade school is cheap compared with university tuition.

Basically, a trade is a key to make good money, fast, with the least amount of effort.

However, It also takes a certain kind of person to go into the trades. I tried it, and it's not for me, for a variety of reasons.

I am now 28, and doing upgrading so I can go into university. Now that i've seen the alternatives (working your way up through a bullshit job, or getting a trade,) I am more motivated than ever to get a science degree.

Food for thought - my little cousin is going into welding and got into a union through a friends dad. He has a job offer to go work up north (pipeline i think, probably maintenance as a first year) and make $58/hr. My father, who has 20+ years experience in fisheries biology, and who works for the government makes about $42/hr.

I would say the earning potential of a trade is USUALLY hire than with most degrees. The time it takes, the time saved on school, and the money saved on school makes a trade the better financial decision all the way.

However, there's more to life than money.

As has already been mentioned - stay out of debt, and get a marketable degree. I can't see myself not getting into a decent career with a wildlife/fisheries/natural resources degree.


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Re: is college still the best way to good life? [Re: PDU]
    #19319756 - 12/24/13 05:32 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Absolutely not


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Re: is college still the best way to good life? [Re: ScriabinAnime]
    #19322639 - 12/24/13 07:11 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

the problem for me is choosing.

i have many interests and i for some reason cant pick the one i like as a career. i get bored with doing just one thing

i worked in many different fields already
clothing store
fast food joint
software company
navy
car audio
one stop car shop...
tinting
home theater
salesman etc

ilike alot of differentsports
alot of different music
alot of different everything

im not stuck on specific things like some people they are set in stone on things they like and things they hate like a computer...


but then the problem comes in that when its time to choose i have no answer to myself what i want to do as a career.
but i do need to get one that can support my family


i also red these articles about the illusion of choice which i understand perfectly with the rational part of my mind
but the other part of my brain does not understand it and thinks that the choices are endless and unlimited...

i just wanted to do so many things and alot of them are in direct conflict with eachother


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Re: is college still the best way to good life? [Re: fuzzysig]
    #19325106 - 12/25/13 10:35 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Haha, me2.


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Re: is college still the best way to good life? [Re: teknix]
    #19325123 - 12/25/13 10:41 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Getting even more washed? You would actually pay to be nagged at by some ass when you have the internet? I would rather sit on the streets, not accepting charity, but starwe to death, and I would still be happier..


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Re: is college still the best way to good life? [Re: fuzzysig]
    #19331854 - 12/27/13 06:12 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The best way to a good life is being born with a silver spoon in yo mouf.

Seriously, every man and his dog had a college aducation, you need a PLAN and the stamina to stick with it or you're fucked.


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Re: is college still the best way to good life? [Re: Asante]
    #19356219 - 01/01/14 08:51 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

what exactly is the so called good life? everyone thinks about it more or less differently until we haven't defined it. This is true with many common words lot's of people don't bother even think about theirs original/defined nature.


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Re: is college still the best way to good life? [Re: cycline]
    #19356372 - 01/01/14 09:59 PM (10 years, 29 days ago)

I would define the "good life" as having available to oneself (and those loved) all the amenities desired to allow for the actualization of one's dreams.  The subjectivity of it all is held within the idea of what one's dreams may be.


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Re: is college still the best way to good life? [Re: geokills] * 1
    #19357055 - 01/02/14 02:05 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

Community colleges are far less expensive than universities and often provide a better education for the first 2 years of study.  This can be especially helpful for those who are unsure of what career path they wish to pursue.  I had a great experience in community college, and went on to complete my degree at an excellent - but terribly overpriced - public university.  I spent a minimum of time and money at university because I knew exactly what I wanted to study and had learned enough to begin upper division work immediately, thanks to my experience in community college.

I don't recommend dropping out of college unless you have a clearly superior alternative career path.  College is an excellent way to develop your mind and skill set while exposing yourself to various fields of endeavor; even if you're not sure what you want to do next, applying yourself in college generally pays off later.  It certainly has for me...but not in any way that I could have predicted going in.

I strongly recommend taking a break for your own sanity and then considering whether community college would suit your needs. :nyan:


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Re: is college still the best way to good life? [Re: hmmn]
    #19357409 - 01/02/14 06:14 AM (10 years, 29 days ago)

Again with the jabbering.. I could just as well watch television...


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Re: is college still the best way to good life? [Re: Icyus]
    #19359114 - 01/02/14 03:25 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)

ive been looking at all these degrees  and reading the top 10 top20 top100 of the best degrees. is there a page that is not full of bullshit?

every day i read the rankings its different degrees that are supposedly on the top demand...


some of those rankings list IT degree as one of the top stable high paying degrees. then i go on tech forum to find out that the it field is oversaturated with people with degrees and theres no real demand for them...


how the hell do i find whats in demand and whats bullcrap?

i also dont want a degree that will get me nowhere after 4-6 years of study


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Re: is college still the best way to good life? [Re: fuzzysig]
    #19359729 - 01/02/14 05:18 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)

Every degree graduates more people than there are jobs that utilize that degree.  The bottom performers of every major will have a very hard time getting a job in their field.

The only job that will always be in demand is one where you have to work hard and long and get paid little.  Beyond that, its going to be competitive and college is one means of making yourself competitive.  College, more often than not, is not job training.


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Re: is college still the best way to good life? [Re: DieCommie]
    #19359892 - 01/02/14 05:46 PM (10 years, 28 days ago)

I am looking to go into natural resource management (the field my father has made a career out of.) According to him, tons of people will be retiring and there will be jobs ... according to my teachers at the community college, there are presently few jobs. Conflicting information!

Looking at the data from the government student loan website, says that graduates in the field will slightly outweigh the industry needs.

Something like:

10800 new graduates to
10400 job openings between 2011-2020

Does that sound like reasonable odd's, or would I be best off disregarding this kind of data and hope for the best.

What do you guys think?


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Re: is college still the best way to good life? [Re: PDU]
    #19362811 - 01/03/14 10:47 AM (10 years, 28 days ago)

One word for you "VICE"....if it's not a VICE you will not make money anymore.  There is no transfer of wealth, the last transfer of wealth that took place in this country was during the Great Depression.  It does not happen anymore because of "bailouts".

That being said...I have no respect for College...they simply train you to fill a job position...not to be financially independant.

SEX
DRUGS
GAMBLING
ALCOHOL

Those are the only places to make money....that being said you do not have to "break" the law.

Remember during the Gold Rush of 1849 the people who made the most money were not the prospectors but the suppliers.  There were times when a gold pan would sell for over $1000.

So lets take Drugs for example.  You cannot sell them, you cannot cultivate them, but there are people who can (ie Colorado, Washington).  So a new line of products, fertilizers, grow systems, blah blah the list goes on.  This is where the major need will be, and will likely make you more money than growing or selling Marijuana if you are successful.  So therefore you have to find a "niche" that pertains directly to one of these VICES and then you will find the money.

Another example...SEX....prostitution is illegal...but the owners of Backpage.com laughed all the way to the bank with it.  They supply a service that borderlines legality, and they bank off of it.  Because the need will always be there.

So figure out a way to make money off SEX, DRUGS, GAMBLING, or ALCOHOL and you will be "in like Flynn".

Those four things make life better when you are sad, broke, helpless, and they make life better when you are rich, happy, and content.

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Re: is college still the best way to good life? [Re: fuzzysig]
    #19363073 - 01/03/14 11:52 AM (10 years, 28 days ago)

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fuzzysig said:
ive been looking at all these degrees  and reading the top 10 top20 top100 of the best degrees. is there a page that is not full of bullshit?

every day i read the rankings its different degrees that are supposedly on the top demand...


some of those rankings list IT degree as one of the top stable high paying degrees. then i go on tech forum to find out that the it field is oversaturated with people with degrees and theres no real demand for them...


how the hell do i find whats in demand and whats bullcrap?

i also dont want a degree that will get me nowhere after 4-6 years of study





Yes man!! Ive been finding the same thing, I read up on these jobs they list as top 10 or top 20 but then go to an acutal forum where people in the field are talking about it and they say they'e been trying for X months or years to get a job. Ex: counseling, school psychologist.


From what Ive seen with friends and family.... obviously engineering and medical are safe routes. Id say community college nursing courses might be a good way to go. Dealing with sick and dying people can be hard im sure but its also surely inspiring and awakening. ANd in demand. ANd teaching is a pretty easy route. You can become a teacher with any degree but if you get your BA in EDU then you will graduate certified, have completed a internship, and should be much more qualified to get/maintain a job. Teachers get summers off.


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Re: is college still the best way to good life? [Re: Asante] * 1
    #19363470 - 01/03/14 01:34 PM (10 years, 27 days ago)

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The best way to a good life is being born with a silver spoon in yo mouf.


no it isn't  Most of those with the spoon are miserable because they have no self respect
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Seriously, every man and his dog had a college aducation, you need a PLAN and the stamina to stick with it or you're fucked.




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Re: is college still the best way to good life? [Re: fuzzysig]
    #19554811 - 02/11/14 10:13 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

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im not talking about illegal ways to make a good living

i mean a legit (or at least legit on paper) way to make a good living?

with the cost of college increasing every damn year i hear more and more people finish a degree and then end up working for mcdonalds because they cant find a job right away but have a shitton of bills to pay ..




Yea it is the second best way and backup if the first best way falls through. Must go for math based programs however. Corporate world is now more left brain than ever.

Ideally you go to a top 10 university.

Best way is to become an entrepreneur right out of high school. Pretty tough socially at first I would suspect.


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Re: is college still the best way to good life? [Re: Eviander]
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