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Best headphones for mind altering audio software? (brainwave entrainment)
#19291422 - 12/18/13 01:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Looking to get into sounds & frequencies with brainwave entrainment software as a way to alter my consciousness, any suggestions on some really high quality head phones?
Budget could be $100-$200 if need be, but a sub-$100 pair would also be nice. But I want high quality & don't mind paying for it if I have to.
A pair that is going to be crystal clear & still allow all of the different frequencies to come through very vividly. Something that can hit both the highs & lows really well.
I really want to give this experience a go and want the best tools I can in order to get there.
I'd also prefer headphones that completely cover your ears to give you the deepest immersion effect.
-------------------- "When I'm on LSD and hearing something that's pure rhythm, it takes me to another world and into anther brain state where I've stopped thinking and started knowing" - Kevin Herbert "Psychedelics let you see the world through a child's eye." "Experience the liquid realm..." "The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann
Edited by agoutihead (12/18/13 01:36 AM)
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Re: Best headphones for mind altering audio software? [Re: agoutihead]
#19291483 - 12/18/13 01:41 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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This is a new idea to me.
Could you cite some examples of "mind altering audio software" please"
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Re: Best headphones for mind altering audio software? [Re: wildernessjunkie]
#19291602 - 12/18/13 02:36 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Best headphones for mind altering audio software? [Re: kneesocks]
#19291625 - 12/18/13 02:43 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Edited by Galvie_Flu (12/18/13 02:45 AM)
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Re: Best headphones for mind altering audio software? [Re: kneesocks]
#19292617 - 12/18/13 09:59 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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wildernessjunkie said: This is a new idea to me.
Could you cite some examples of "mind altering audio software" please"
Check out Neuro-Programmer 3 by Transparent Corp.
Also look into The Monroe Institute out of Virginia.
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kneesocks said: http://www.amazon.com/Audio-Technica-ATH-M50-Professional-Monitor-Headphones/dp/B000ULAP4U
Wow these got awesome reviews & are at a great price!
The only other one I see suggested in it's class is the Sony 7506's, are you familiar with those?
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-MDR7506-Professional-Diaphragm-Headphone/dp/B000AJIF4E/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1387385472&sr=8-1&keywords=Sony+7506
-------------------- "When I'm on LSD and hearing something that's pure rhythm, it takes me to another world and into anther brain state where I've stopped thinking and started knowing" - Kevin Herbert "Psychedelics let you see the world through a child's eye." "Experience the liquid realm..." "The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann
Edited by agoutihead (12/18/13 10:00 AM)
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Re: Best headphones for mind altering audio software? [Re: agoutihead]
#19298049 - 12/19/13 01:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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agoutihead said:
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wildernessjunkie said: This is a new idea to me.
Could you cite some examples of "mind altering audio software" please"
Check out Neuro-Programmer 3 by Transparent Corp.
Also look into The Monroe Institute out of Virginia.
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kneesocks said: http://www.amazon.com/Audio-Technica-ATH-M50-Professional-Monitor-Headphones/dp/B000ULAP4U
Wow these got awesome reviews & are at a great price!
The only other one I see suggested in it's class is the Sony 7506's, are you familiar with those?
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-MDR7506-Professional-Diaphragm-Headphone/dp/B000AJIF4E/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1387385472&sr=8-1&keywords=Sony+7506
Have you heard of iDoser? If you get a kick out of those things, you'd probably like that as well....
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Re: Best headphones for mind altering audio software? [Re: agoutihead]
#19300570 - 12/19/13 11:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've heard of iDoser but haven't done any experiments with it. I will keep it in mind though. I want to get a good pair of head phones before I begin any type of journey though.
-------------------- "When I'm on LSD and hearing something that's pure rhythm, it takes me to another world and into anther brain state where I've stopped thinking and started knowing" - Kevin Herbert "Psychedelics let you see the world through a child's eye." "Experience the liquid realm..." "The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann
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Re: Best headphones for mind altering audio software? [Re: agoutihead]
#19301882 - 12/20/13 08:37 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nah that was a joke. All these softwares are scams dude
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Re: Best headphones for mind altering audio software? [Re: kneesocks]
#19302328 - 12/20/13 11:02 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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This:
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theonlysun81 said: Nah that was a joke. All these softwares are scams dude
And this:
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kneesocks said: http://www.amazon.com/Audio-Technica-ATH-M50-Professional-Monitor-Headphones/dp/B000ULAP4U
I just picked up the ATH-M50's and I'm pretty impressed. I may consider an amp, but at this point, I don't think I really need one. They're clear and loud enough for me as-is.
-------------------- ...the whole experience is (and is as) a profound piece of knowledge. It is an indellible experience; it is forever known. I have known myself in a way I doubt I would have ever occurred except as it did. Smith, P. Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27. ...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely. Osmond, H. Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436
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Re: Best headphones for mind altering audio software? [Re: badchad]
#19303715 - 12/20/13 04:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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yeah I use the amp when its connected to the tv cuz the extension chord may reduce volume. its needed for my TV cuz even at 100% vol. still seems low.
But if op is seriously considering this, he should have a good sound system or sound card in the computer
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Re: Best headphones for mind altering audio software? [Re: Galvie_Flu]
#19326367 - 12/25/13 05:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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OP what do you get from these? Have you actually felt something? I tried a bunch of different ones and didn't feel shit...
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Re: Best headphones for mind altering audio software? [Re: Aopocetx]
#19326510 - 12/25/13 06:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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what ones have you tried?
I find it works best where its barely audible, with other music overlapping it.
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Re: Best headphones for mind altering audio software? [Re: theonlysun81]
#19327204 - 12/25/13 10:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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badchad said: This:
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theonlysun81 said: Nah that was a joke. All these softwares are scams dude
Care to explain why? I have 10+ years of personal experience with hemisync (which can be found for 100% free) and have achieved fabulous results using it to help induce lengthened states of Delta and Theta and Alpha consciousness. I'd LOVE to hear why "All these softwares are scams", that's a pretty bold blanket claim with no substance at all to back it up. The use of binaural beats in developing frequency following responses in the brain as well as sound therapy is not disputed by science and is well researched.
Also here are some peer reviewed sources.
http://www.transparentcorp.com/downloads/Huang-PsychologicalEffectsBrainwaveEntrainment.pdf
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The immediate psychological effects on memory, attention, stress, pain, headaches and migraines were shown to benefit from even a single session of brainwave entrainment".
http://www.super-learning.eu/science.htm
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Conclusion: Binaural Beats increase relaxation, meditation, pain management, improve sleep, and reduce stress.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18780583
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CONCLUSIONS: Findings to date suggest that BWE is an effective therapeutic tool. People suffering from cognitive functioning deficits, stress, pain, headache/migraines, PMS, and behavioral problems benefited from BWE.
https://www.centerpointe.com/articles/articles-research
That is just the tip of the iceberg. There is no shortage of research on this subject. And having years of personal experience with it with positive results, I call BS on the calling of BS. If you are going to say "All of 'X' is a scam" then I want to see cold hard facts to back that statement up, because everything I know about the subject contradicts what you say. There may be some scams out there sure.. and some people just trying to make money.. but that does not mean that everything in that category is a scam.. that's backwards logic.
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Re: Best headphones for mind altering audio software? [Re: Shroomism]
#19327894 - 12/26/13 08:01 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Shroomism said:
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badchad said: This:
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theonlysun81 said: Nah that was a joke. All these softwares are scams dude
Care to explain why? I have 10+ years of personal experience with hemisync (which can be found for 100% free) and have achieved fabulous results using it to help induce lengthened states of Delta and Theta and Alpha consciousness. I'd LOVE to hear why "All these softwares are scams", that's a pretty bold blanket claim with no substance at all to back it up. The use of binaural beats in developing frequency following responses in the brain as well as sound therapy is not disputed by science and is well researched.
Also here are some peer reviewed sources.
http://www.transparentcorp.com/downloads/Huang-PsychologicalEffectsBrainwaveEntrainment.pdf
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The immediate psychological effects on memory, attention, stress, pain, headaches and migraines were shown to benefit from even a single session of brainwave entrainment".
http://www.super-learning.eu/science.htm
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Conclusion: Binaural Beats increase relaxation, meditation, pain management, improve sleep, and reduce stress.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18780583
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CONCLUSIONS: Findings to date suggest that BWE is an effective therapeutic tool. People suffering from cognitive functioning deficits, stress, pain, headache/migraines, PMS, and behavioral problems benefited from BWE.
https://www.centerpointe.com/articles/articles-research
That is just the tip of the iceberg. There is no shortage of research on this subject. And having years of personal experience with it with positive results, I call BS on the calling of BS. If you are going to say "All of 'X' is a scam" then I want to see cold hard facts to back that statement up, because everything I know about the subject contradicts what you say. There may be some scams out there sure.. and some people just trying to make money.. but that does not mean that everything in that category is a scam.. that's backwards logic.
the cold hard facts is that i've tried a couple different ones of these, and beside what benefits you might get from being a practiced meditator, all that happened is a sat up late at night waiting for a miracle and got nothing./
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Re: Best headphones for mind altering audio software? [Re: theonlysun81]
#19327919 - 12/26/13 08:10 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well that's your first mistake... expecting miracles from audio. What were you using? Were you using headphones? No one ever said BWE is supposed to make miracles happen. But it can help with a number of things, the most prominent in my experience is helping to keep you in suspended states of Theta consciousness. It's not some magical solution, but it can enhance and augment your own thought process and greatly help with relaxation and ability to concentrate.
But like I said... just because you didn't get benefits from a couple different things.. doesn't mean all of something is a scam. That's like if I went to some therapist, and didn't get the immediate results I was after.. and then from there on out claim that ALL therapist are shady money grubbing scam artists =/
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Re: Best headphones for mind altering audio software? [Re: Shroomism]
#19327971 - 12/26/13 08:37 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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So if you already know how to get into Theta consiousness it works, but that's not how its advertised. w/e man, shits a scam spend your money on it. no sweat off my back
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Re: Best headphones for mind altering audio software? [Re: Shroomism]
#19328398 - 12/26/13 11:15 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think it's important to take a moment and clearly define what it is a user expects from these types of "audio software". Most of the data appears to report more generalized effects and patient-reported outcomes: "feeling more relaxed", and changes in brain wave activity. The significance of the findings seems to be a bit unclear.
I can listen to a variety of types of music and feel "more relaxed", more energetic etc. I'd speculate that changes in brain wave activity accompany these changes in subjective state. I'd also be very curious to see how many of these trials are controlled and whether there is some type of "dummy" condition etc.
I'd still maintain that people expecting to get high and experience dramatic effects from these beats will be very disappointed. However, there may be some utility for using these types of beats.
-------------------- ...the whole experience is (and is as) a profound piece of knowledge. It is an indellible experience; it is forever known. I have known myself in a way I doubt I would have ever occurred except as it did. Smith, P. Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27. ...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely. Osmond, H. Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436
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Re: Best headphones for mind altering audio software? (brainwave entrainment) [Re: agoutihead]
#19533437 - 02/06/14 11:56 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Believe it or not, but I use JVC's in ear headphones. These one's specifically: These ones.
I can hear sounds that not even my shitty in ear bose headphones can hear.
I listen to brainwave music as well. Believe me, those headphones are good, even though they are CHEEEEEEEAP.
A good brainwave artist is Kelly Howell. I can name more if you want me to.
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Re: Best headphones for mind altering audio software? (brainwave entrainment) [Re: occollegeboi]
#19553277 - 02/11/14 04:46 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've been experimenting with this concept for helping with sleep. It really does work but you have to find the right frequency for you. I found that 4hz was working for me while 6 or 8hz was less effective. I just use a cheap pair of phones I picked up for about $38 on fleabay. It was made in china, of course but they work fine. You can find lots of binaural beats free on utube.
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Re: Best headphones for mind altering audio software? (brainwave entrainment) [Re: Stonehenge]
#19554826 - 02/11/14 10:17 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Stonehenge said: I've been experimenting with this concept for helping with sleep. It really does work but you have to find the right frequency for you. I found that 4hz was working for me while 6 or 8hz was less effective. I just use a cheap pair of phones I picked up for about $38 on fleabay. It was made in china, of course but they work fine. You can find lots of binaural beats free on utube.
As far as frequencies, of course there are different frequencies. 4hz helps you sleep better than 6 or 8 because 4hz are DELTA waves (associated with deep sleep) while THETA waves are associated with deep relaxation but NOT deep sleep.
This talks a little bit about it: brainwave states
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Re: Best headphones for mind altering audio software? (brainwave entrainment) [Re: occollegeboi]
#19554916 - 02/11/14 10:48 PM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm going to take it is step further and ask out what's the best sound card for this type of program
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Re: Best headphones for mind altering audio software? (brainwave entrainment) [Re: Galvie_Flu]
#19556446 - 02/12/14 09:07 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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I have a good sound card but my headphones don't use it, they connect directly to the usb
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