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Re: TeenChallenge (They came to my church today) [Re: Deviate]
    #19289353 - 12/17/13 04:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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God has made it clear that he "loveth righteousness".




Has he now?  :lol:

Don't get me wrong, I try to hold onto good will as much as possible. 
It has nothing to do with a message from god, unless you are being metaphorical and vague, in which case using the word god just adds confusion.

I try to treat people well because I care about them.  It's my will, not god's.


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Re: TeenChallenge (They came to my church today) [Re: all this beauty]
    #19289389 - 12/17/13 04:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Ultimately, I think that God would rather us pursue him through prayer and devotion because these are much safer than tripping balls.



Presumably your God made the chemicals.  So if he has the sort of "intentions" for us that you're suggesting, why wouldn't he have just "skipped" the drug thing and moved us directly to the "prayer and devotion" thing?  I mean, wouldn't that make a lot more sense?




No, it wouldn't. It's the journey that matters, not the destination. Ultimately God desires for us to a have a close intimate relationship with him, such that we do not need to take drugs in order to know his will for us. But for people who have completely lost their connection tot he divine, God has provided very powerful drugs that remind us of it. It makes sense to me but expecting everything God does to make sense to you, is one of the dumbest expectations you can possibly have. This is what atheists do. They expect God to make sense to them in every possible way and when of course he doesn't, then conclude he doesn't exist. That's ludicrous. There is no way that the mind can comprehend the intelligence that created the mind better than that intelligence.

Lol.  Just being playful here.  I know the dogma. :wink:

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For some bizarre and inexplicable reason, God is "testing" us, yes?  Just like in the Garden of Eden.  There are things we may partake of and things we may not.  The choice is ours, and the punishments and rewards are impressive.

The Judeo/Christian mythology of a scheming, conniving God who holds out forbidden apples to see if we will bite is so ludicrous that it's good.  Entertaining, actually.

Any fans of the filmmaker John Waters out there?

His stuff is so ludicrous that it's good, too.  :cool:




Of course God tests us. He tests us to see who is and who is not fit for the kingdom of heaven.


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Re: TeenChallenge (They came to my church today) [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #19289401 - 12/17/13 04:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Sleepwalker said:
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Deviate said:
God has made it clear that he "loveth righteousness".




Has he now?  :lol:

Don't get me wrong, I try to hold onto good will as much as possible. 
It has nothing to do with a message from god, unless you are being metaphorical and vague, in which case using the word god just adds confusion.

I try to treat people well because I care about them.  It's my will, not god's.




So you know what God's will is and you know he doesn't want you to treat other people well but you choose to disobey him and treat other people well anyway? Is that what you're telling me?


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Re: TeenChallenge (They came to my church today) [Re: Deviate]
    #19289612 - 12/17/13 05:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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So you know what God's will is and you know he doesn't want you to treat other people well but you choose to disobey him and treat other people well anyway? Is that what you're telling me?



Deviate, please consider the possibility that this mythological god thingy of yours resents the fact that you refer to Him as "him."

If you're going to go all 'fundamentalist Christian' on us, please adhere to the rules of fundamentalism.

It's "He," not "he."


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Re: TeenChallenge (They came to my church today) [Re: all this beauty]
    #19289618 - 12/17/13 05:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Why not Her?  :tongue:


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Re: TeenChallenge (They came to my church today) [Re: deCypher]
    #19289662 - 12/17/13 05:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Why not Her?  :tongue:



Reasonable question.

I suggest we ask 'ennin' in one of his threads whether it's possible that Allah is female.  In which case, Allah would not be permitted to drive a car in some Islamic countries.

And wouldn't that be a sad thing, I ask you... 

Being God, yet not being permitted to drive? :crazy:


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Re: TeenChallenge (They came to my church today) [Re: all this beauty]
    #19289891 - 12/17/13 06:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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all this beauty said:
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deCypher said:
Why not Her?  :tongue:



Reasonable question.

I suggest we ask 'ennin' in one of his threads whether it's possible that Allah is female.  In which case, Allah would not be permitted to drive a car in some Islamic countries.

And wouldn't that be a sad thing, I ask you... 

Being God, yet not being permitted to drive? :crazy:



Mostly because the bible itself refers to it as He but I believe it is an IT because, having made man and woman in its image, it wouldn't make sense that there was a female form. Unless there is another god.

But that's irrelevant. That other guy gave me some food for thought. Interesting because I am following a "darkened" path if you will, to treat through illegal drugs. To first guide someone through, I feel I need to know how to control it. My intentions are to show others the light while they are left in dark. Whether this is justification for my own usage or a genuine want to help, I do not know. It's either the latter, or both equally, but this is not a selfish desire to get high or trip bawls.


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Re: TeenChallenge (They came to my church today) [Re: Atrium]
    #19289923 - 12/17/13 06:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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But that's irrelevant. That other guy gave me some food for thought. Interesting because I am following a "darkened" path if you will, to treat through illegal drugs. To first guide someone through, I feel I need to know how to control it. My intentions are to show others the light while they are left in dark. Whether this is justification for my own usage or a genuine want to help, I do not know. It's either the latter, or both equally, but this is not a selfish desire to get high or trip bawls.




One does not become enlightened by imagining figures of light, but by making the darkness conscious.  Or so a wise Jung man once said.


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Re: TeenChallenge (They came to my church today) [Re: all this beauty]
    #19289993 - 12/17/13 06:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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For some bizarre and inexplicable reason, God is "testing" us, yes?  Just like in the Garden of Eden.  There are things we may partake of and things we may not.  The choice is ours, and the punishments and rewards are impressive.







That kind of God can suck my shorts.  Of course it's a childish idea but then most humans emotional development stalled in junior high.

The utter silliness of god inspiring a book for us to read full of lessons and rules about life is too much for my imagination. I mean the fact that humans, actual adult aged humans, swallow this nonsense and then go around telling others about is the final nail in the stoopid coffin that humanity will finally be put to rest in.  And good riddance.

There I said it.

My 2 cents.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: TeenChallenge (They came to my church today) [Re: Deviate] * 1
    #19290520 - 12/17/13 08:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Deviate said:
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Sleepwalker said:
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Deviate said:
God has made it clear that he "loveth righteousness".




Has he now?  :lol:

Don't get me wrong, I try to hold onto good will as much as possible. 
It has nothing to do with a message from god, unless you are being metaphorical and vague, in which case using the word god just adds confusion.

I try to treat people well because I care about them.  It's my will, not god's.




So you know what God's will is and you know he doesn't want you to treat other people well but you choose to disobey him and treat other people well anyway? Is that what you're telling me?




Uh, no.  God doesn't factor into the equation at all for me is my point, because I don't presume to know what some being who presumably created the universe and everything in it could be thinking.


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Re: TeenChallenge (They came to my church today) [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #19290732 - 12/17/13 09:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Sleepwalker said:
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Deviate said:
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Sleepwalker said:
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Deviate said:
God has made it clear that he "loveth righteousness".




Has he now?  :lol:

Don't get me wrong, I try to hold onto good will as much as possible. 
It has nothing to do with a message from god, unless you are being metaphorical and vague, in which case using the word god just adds confusion.

I try to treat people well because I care about them.  It's my will, not god's.




So you know what God's will is and you know he doesn't want you to treat other people well but you choose to disobey him and treat other people well anyway? Is that what you're telling me?




Uh, no.  God doesn't factor into the equation at all for me is my point, because I don't presume to know what some being who presumably created the universe and everything in it could be thinking.




:lol: :thumbup:


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Re: TeenChallenge (They came to my church today) [Re: deCypher] * 1
    #19291290 - 12/18/13 12:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Being raised in an Independent Baptist household, alot of the Christian Rhetoric got pushed down my throat at a young age.  So I know it can be hard to break from the senselessness of at least some 2000 years of ignorance. You've got to really ask yourself, "What is the truth?"
The truth is if you could meet God with a little piece of paper, or a pill, or powder. Why would you pay some asshat to tell you about his idea of "God" based on a book that has been bastardized over and over since it was canonized at the Council of Nicea.
The church doesn't want you to meet God on your own terms, they'd be out of a paycheck.


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Re: TeenChallenge (They came to my church today) [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #19292557 - 12/18/13 09:38 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Bingo!


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: TeenChallenge (They came to my church today) [Re: Icelander]
    #19296592 - 12/19/13 04:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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For some bizarre and inexplicable reason, God is "testing" us, yes?  Just like in the Garden of Eden.  There are things we may partake of and things we may not.  The choice is ours, and the punishments and rewards are impressive.







That kind of God can suck my shorts.  Of course it's a childish idea but then most humans emotional development stalled in junior high.

The utter silliness of god inspiring a book for us to read full of lessons and rules about life is too much for my imagination. I mean the fact that humans, actual adult aged humans, swallow this nonsense and then go around telling others about is the final nail in the stoopid coffin that humanity will finally be put to rest in.  And good riddance.

There I said it.

My 2 cents.




If God didn't inspire the Bible, who did? Man and God are not separate, it's only the ego that makes it appear so. Hence anyone who can write from the heart, can channel God, and this is all that the prophets and authors of the Bible did. They simply expressed what was in their hearts in a way that most men could not do on account of being blinded by the selfishness of the ego. Hence, all the that Bible is, is a collection of sayings from wise and holy men who lived in ancient Israel. I can assure, their wisdom is not nonsense. That much is certain. If you believe in the whims of the ego, over timeless spiritual wisdom, then it's you who speak nonsense.


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Re: TeenChallenge (They came to my church today) [Re: Deviate]
    #19296617 - 12/19/13 05:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So raping and murdering women, sacrificing your own children, covering your faithful servants in boils(then collapsing a house on all that servants' children), slaughtering entire families (including killing and burning cattle).  All this, and more, from the benevolent "holy" men that brought you the bible. 
Fucking ignorant nonsense that serves nobody but the really greedy and the totally oblivious.:cookiemonster:


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A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an
invasion, butcher a hog, design a building, conn a ship, write a
sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the
dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve an
equation, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a
computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.
Specialization is for insects.- Robert A. Heinlein
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Edited by TheGreenArrow (12/19/13 05:12 AM)


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Re: TeenChallenge (They came to my church today) [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #19296725 - 12/19/13 06:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Hey they weren't perfect. Are you?


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Re: TeenChallenge (They came to my church today) [Re: Deviate]
    #19296755 - 12/19/13 06:28 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not a ham-fisted neck-beard trying to tell everybody how to "get to God".


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invasion, butcher a hog, design a building, conn a ship, write a
sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the
dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve an
equation, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a
computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.
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Re: TeenChallenge (They came to my church today) [Re: Deviate]
    #19296792 - 12/19/13 06:44 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Icelander said:
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For some bizarre and inexplicable reason, God is "testing" us, yes?  Just like in the Garden of Eden.  There are things we may partake of and things we may not.  The choice is ours, and the punishments and rewards are impressive.







That kind of God can suck my shorts.  Of course it's a childish idea but then most humans emotional development stalled in junior high.

The utter silliness of god inspiring a book for us to read full of lessons and rules about life is too much for my imagination. I mean the fact that humans, actual adult aged humans, swallow this nonsense and then go around telling others about is the final nail in the stoopid coffin that humanity will finally be put to rest in.  And good riddance.

There I said it.

My 2 cents.




If God didn't inspire the Bible, who did? Man and God are not separate, it's only the ego that makes it appear so. Hence anyone who can write from the heart, can channel God, and this is all that the prophets and authors of the Bible did. They simply expressed what was in their hearts in a way that most men could not do on account of being blinded by the selfishness of the ego. Hence, all the that Bible is, is a collection of sayings from wise and holy men who lived in ancient Israel. I can assure, their wisdom is not nonsense. That much is certain. If you believe in the whims of the ego, over timeless spiritual wisdom, then it's you who speak nonsense.





Man is real and there is no proof of your god.  So the answer is obvious.  It's like saying if god didn't inspire santa claus who did?  You're just afraid of being human imo.


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Re: TeenChallenge (They came to my church today) [Re: Deviate]
    #19297145 - 12/19/13 09:04 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Deviate said:
If God didn't inspire the Bible, who did?

Hence, all the that Bible is, is a collection of sayings from wise and holy men who lived in ancient Israel.

If you believe in the whims of the ego, over timeless spiritual wisdom, then it's you who speak nonsense.




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Hey they weren't perfect. Are you?




I wonder why you place so much faith in these ancient flawed human beings. 

Personally I think there is much more relevant and honest wisdom from some of the flawed human beings in this very forum, here and now.


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Re: TeenChallenge (They came to my church today) [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #19297202 - 12/19/13 09:23 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Personally I think there is much more relevant and honest wisdom from some of the flawed human beings in this very forum, here and now.



I think there's a lot of wisdom in this forum, too.  And a nice diversity of views.  If you go to a Buddhist internet board, all you get is Buddhist stuff.  Same with the Daoist boards, the Christian boards, you name it.  All you get is the party line.

There's also a lot of wisdom in the holy books of the world's faiths.  You gotta know how to dig it out, though.  "Wheat from the chaff," and all that.

Takes some work, but it can be worth it.


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