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Re: does culture only work with belief? [Re: Kickle]
    #19299809 - 12/19/13 08:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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The point of this thread, for me at least, was to notice that there is no human separate from culture. That there is nothing of note to see aside from culture.




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Re: does culture only work with belief? [Re: Kickle]
    #19299903 - 12/19/13 08:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I was a few years ago when this fully dawned on me.  That was about the time I was also first reading Becker.  I began to really suspect that culture was the perfect shield against death anxiety and a possible reason it would have a stranglehold on our psyche's. 

It's be very :feelsweirdman: ever since.  It was then I really began to question the idea of free will.  All the dominoes started falling and now, for me, nothing is left standing of my old belief systems.  For me it was the beginning of the great depression and I shall not recover easily.


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Re: does culture only work with belief? [Re: Icelander]
    #19300037 - 12/19/13 09:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I think it just adds to the pile for me. I went in a different order for landing in the twilight zone but I am here all the same :lol:


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Re: does culture only work with belief? [Re: Kickle]
    #19301487 - 12/20/13 05:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

:thumbup: Welcome to the asylum. :haha:


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Re: does culture only work with belief? [Re: Icelander]
    #19301619 - 12/20/13 06:51 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I stoppped buying into western cult-ural values a couple of years ago. Surprisingly, I encountered far less of a battle than I anticipated. Once I stopped doing because society said I had to and started truely doing what I wanted to, the universe seemed to become a close, supportive friend instead of a place I was trapped. Sure, I still have to work and pay taxes and such, but now it feels more like indulging a playful infant than feeding the greed of evil men. So I suppose that the state of the observer deterimes their manifested experience.


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Re: does culture only work with belief? [Re: 4nik8]
    #19301633 - 12/20/13 06:57 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'll propose this even though I'm pretty sure you'll deny it. 

You are still most involved in your cultural paradigm and likely have no real idea what "you" want to be doing with your life.  You've seen through the surface layer of culture that seems obvious but most of it's influence on you is outside conscious awareness.  You can't escape culture. Once you're in you can't get out. :nicesmile:


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Re: does culture only work with belief? [Re: Icelander]
    #19302138 - 12/20/13 10:03 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Oh I agree, it is inescapable. But it is possible to choose how you view and deal with it. I totally know what I want to do with my life and take the steps I need to do so. Granted, you have to play the game to an extent. But I know that I can most times bend the rules and other times break them. The universe seems to be sympathetic to my cause and while I face challenges still they are only there to test my resolve and to keep me motivated. You can be imprisoned and choose to be free anyway, for no one can subjugate a soul against its will.


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Re: does culture only work with belief? [Re: 4nik8]
    #19302317 - 12/20/13 10:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

soul?:lol:  Whatever you say.


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Re: does culture only work with belief? [Re: 4nik8]
    #19302327 - 12/20/13 11:01 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You seem to be guessing at what the future holds while full of expectations for it to turn out in your favor. That strikes me as a dangerous game to play and what the majority of the population does. It might work out for you though as it does for some. Odds are against you however.


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Re: does culture only work with belief? [Re: Icelander]
    #19302433 - 12/20/13 11:26 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

it is more about the easy ways of freedom which are revealed being opposed to freedom truth and against it

cultural life is one of those ways

the most common one is evil way of being free, like to use anything or any other living being to pretend knowing everything, then act free of everything consciously

this is the most disgusting way .. 

another negative way is also something else

the way to pretend being superior conscious, from some knowledge of things, then act in terms of being beyond freedom value.. taking itself too seriously for one superior subject, when barely it can do anything even out of what it knows well

while true freedom is the absolute superiority fact that justify infinite existence as being positive present right

objective existence is only from true freedom value

I know you mean something else here, but I thought to put my 2 cts :cool:


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Re: does culture only work with belief? [Re: absols]
    #19304592 - 12/20/13 07:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You live your way and I'll live mine, we'll compare notes on the other side.


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