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PurpleHaze147



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Argyreia Nervosa var. Nervosa VS Argyreia Nervosa var. Speciosa apperance
#19284748 - 12/16/13 04:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Is there a way to gurantee I have the right strain of HBWR (nervosa var. nervosa)? I looked at a pic on erowid n it seems speciosa don't have the dark spots or outter skin and they're darker. The seeds I have r darker than the HBWR seeds I've received in the past, that's what's making me worry. They do have the black dot (I think the band the black eyed ps got their name from these seeds lol) and about 1/3 have the fuzzyish outter skin. R these the correct strain? I haven't tried them yet. It's soo messed up that vendors can sell the Indian strain as the Hawiian cuz they have basically the same scientific name wtf is up wit dat. I can post pics if it'd help.
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karode13
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Re: Argyreia Nervosa var. Nervosa VS Argyreia Nervosa var. Speciosa apperance [Re: PurpleHaze147]
#19285865 - 12/16/13 08:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Without a picture it's impossible to tell. Even with one it is hard to tell the difference unless experienced with the two first hand. If they're a vendor here then you've likely got the correct ones. If you didn't use a vendor here well you probably should have.
The good thing though is neither are going to do you harm so you could bio assay the seeds you have. Only take a few to gauge effects and then proceed from there.
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Aopocetx
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Re: Argyreia Nervosa var. Nervosa VS Argyreia Nervosa var. Speciosa apperance [Re: karode13]
#19287364 - 12/17/13 06:37 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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How intense can an LSA trip be? I've taken 1400 morning glory seeds and while it was pretty strong it wasn't nearly mindblowing enough. Is it possible to get deep revelations and insights from LSA?
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wolf8312
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Re: Argyreia Nervosa var. Nervosa VS Argyreia Nervosa var. Speciosa apperance [Re: Aopocetx]
#19287447 - 12/17/13 07:28 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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HBWR can be every bit as astounding as LSD! The trouble is one has to be seriously committed to actually stand any chance of holding the seeds down! Vomiting too early will abort much of the experience which leads many people to post misleading trip reports about how weak the seeds are when compared to LSD! Extractions or at least my own piss poor extractions (naphtha) also produced a dramatically weaker experience than the gut wrenching whole seed one!
I've tried all sorts of disagreeable shit from Syrian run and cactus to Datura and DXM! Nothing I have ever consumed however gets even remotely close to how toxic and putrid the HBWR experience feels! St Antony's fire must have been an utter bitch!
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Re: Argyreia Nervosa var. Nervosa VS Argyreia Nervosa var. Speciosa apperance [Re: wolf8312]
#19287684 - 12/17/13 09:10 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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wolf8312 said: HBWR can be every bit as astounding as LSD! The trouble is one has to be seriously committed to actually stand any chance of holding the seeds down! Vomiting too early will abort much of the experience which leads many people to post misleading trip reports about how weak the seeds are when compared to LSD! Extractions or at least my own piss poor extractions (naphtha) also produced a dramatically weaker experience than the gut wrenching whole seed one!
I've tried all sorts of disagreeable shit from Syrian run and cactus to Datura and DXM! Nothing I have ever consumed however gets even remotely close to how toxic and putrid the HBWR experience feels! St Antony's fire must have been an utter bitch!
How many morning glory seeds do you think it would take? Do you think it could cause ego death? Like I said, I ate 1400 which is a huge amount and kept it down and I never got the intense change of consciousness that acid creates. I did get creative thoughts and I saw patterns and colors but my perspective never got hugely morphed.
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Nihon_Hyperspace
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Re: Argyreia Nervosa var. Nervosa VS Argyreia Nervosa var. Speciosa apperance [Re: wolf8312]
#19288772 - 12/17/13 02:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Aopocetx said: How intense can an LSA trip be? I've taken 1400 morning glory seeds and while it was pretty strong it wasn't nearly mindblowing enough. Is it possible to get deep revelations and insights from LSA?
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wolf8312 said: HBWR can be every bit as astounding as LSD! The trouble is one has to be seriously committed to actually stand any chance of holding the seeds down! Vomiting too early will abort much of the experience which leads many people to post misleading trip reports about how weak the seeds are when compared to LSD! Extractions or at least my own piss poor extractions (naphtha) also produced a dramatically weaker experience than the gut wrenching whole seed one!
I've tried all sorts of disagreeable shit from Syrian run and cactus to Datura and DXM! Nothing I have ever consumed however gets even remotely close to how toxic and putrid the HBWR experience feels! St Antony's fire must have been an utter bitch!
Although I have no personal experience with HBWR myself, throughout my research many users have reported that HBWR has provided a much weaker/sedative experience as compared to morning glory or ololiuqui.
I've had a mind-blowing trip on 400 morning glory seeds extracted. Very comparable to 2-3 hits of pure LSD in terms of visuals. Although that trip was the first and only trip that I actually saw things that were not actually there, no joke. I was in the forest and would see people sprinting at me full-speed in my peripherals only to look towards them and they would vanish. Some pretty powerful stuff indeed. Easily just as profound as any other psychedelic when extracted properly.
In which case, I'm going to have to disagree that proper extractions provide a weaker experience than eating the whole seeds. Please do not eat the whole seeds. Do a proper extraction instead it will provide a much stronger and psychedelic experience with little to no nausea or other negative effects typically associated with the LSA experience. LSA happens to be the one substance I'm probably the most well-informed about.
However, the extraction process is much more difficult than it appears and a variety of factors come into play that will heavily dilute the overall experience. LSA is extremely sensitive to heat, light, and oxygen and a highly unstable substance to begin with. Therefore, the process must be done in almost complete darkness in a cold room. Also, I'm guessing the 1400 morning glory seeds that you consumed were either old/weak and therefore did not contain a large amount of LSA to begin with, or your extraction process resulted in too much exposure to light, heat, or oxygen which ultimately destroyed a large amount of LSA.
1400 seeds properly extracted would easily result in a total of 3 separate trips. I commend you for actually being able to consume 1400 seeds all at once. A properly extracted 1000 seed tincture would probably result in one of the most intense trips of your life. I would never recommend anything over 1000 unless you knew what you were getting into.
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Re: Argyreia Nervosa var. Nervosa VS Argyreia Nervosa var. Speciosa apperance [Re: Nihon_Hyperspace]
#19288835 - 12/17/13 02:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I actually did a cold water extraction. I tried to shield it from light as best as I could but I'm open to the fact that some got destroyed or that the seeds were weak. It seemed to me like the seeds were pretty decent because I felt effects at 400. Then I worked up to 1400. Did 800, 1100, 1400. It just seemed to me like there was a "ceiling" for profound effects but if you say that is not true I might try it again differently. It didn't compare to the intensity of 3 hits of acid, but there was some similar effects.
So do you think it could potentially cause ego death?
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Re: Argyreia Nervosa var. Nervosa VS Argyreia Nervosa var. Speciosa apperance [Re: Aopocetx]
#19288888 - 12/17/13 02:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Aopocetx said: I actually did a cold water extraction. I tried to shield it from light as best as I could but I'm open to the fact that some got destroyed or that the seeds were weak. It seemed to me like the seeds were pretty decent because I felt effects at 400. Then I worked up to 1400. Did 800, 1100, 1400. It just seemed to me like there was a "ceiling" for profound effects but if you say that is not true I might try it again differently. It didn't compare to the intensity of 3 hits of acid, but there was some similar effects.
So do you think it could potentially cause ego death?
I would suggest trying an extraction with naptha and everclear. Make sure that your final extraction is in tincture form (everlcear) and do not dry the everclear tincture down to a sticky goo. This severely dilutes intensity. Use tinfoil to cover the extraction jar to ensure that the tincture is not exposed to light. Just youtube "LSA Extraction" and click on the video by "Snake Spine" but just remember to drink the everclear tincture don't let it dry down. Also, the guy in the video is sorta careless as he is exposing the entire extraction process to heat, light, and oxygen. Also, only one everclear pull is neccessary per trip.
I have no idea if the LSA experience would cause "ego death" and personally I would not want to find out through LSA. No offense or anything, but people on shroomery kind of throw the term "ego death" around like some sort of catch-all phrase for the greatest psychedelic experience or something that everyone is after and seeking.
I've been to level 5 and what you call "ego death" and it was after I freebased 120mg of DMT. Trust me, it wasn't fun, it wasn't recreational, and it was such an overpowering and harrowing experience that I wouldn't do it again. I could tell you more about what they call "ego death" but I digress...
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Re: Argyreia Nervosa var. Nervosa VS Argyreia Nervosa var. Speciosa apperance [Re: Nihon_Hyperspace]
#19288935 - 12/17/13 02:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nihon_Hyperspace said: I have no idea if the LSA experience would cause "ego death" and personally I would not want to find out through LSA. No offense or anything, but people on shroomery kind of throw the term "ego death" around like some sort of catch-all phrase for the greatest psychedelic experience or something that everyone is after and seeking.
When I say ego death, I'm looking for all the other experiences associated with it. Deep insights, revelations, spiritual experiences, etc.
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Re: Argyreia Nervosa var. Nervosa VS Argyreia Nervosa var. Speciosa apperance [Re: Nihon_Hyperspace]
#19288938 - 12/17/13 02:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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HBWR's and MG's are just too damn variable in potency that it seems like a last ditch effort to alter one's consciousness. I tried a CWE and still got disgustingly sick. IMO, the stuff is just not worth poisoning yourself. Honestly your better of putting the time and effort into a mushrooms grow. Any stomach problems brought on by the consumption of shrooms pale in comparison to HBWR. Never again for me.
Which is a shame because I've read really wonderful trip reports concerning HBWR's and MG's. I mean if the shit really lived up to some claims, we'd all be eating them and they'd probably become illegal.
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Re: Argyreia Nervosa var. Nervosa VS Argyreia Nervosa var. Speciosa apperance [Re: thedream]
#19288973 - 12/17/13 02:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Aopocetx said:
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Nihon_Hyperspace said: I have no idea if the LSA experience would cause "ego death" and personally I would not want to find out through LSA. No offense or anything, but people on shroomery kind of throw the term "ego death" around like some sort of catch-all phrase for the greatest psychedelic experience or something that everyone is after and seeking.
When I say ego death, I'm looking for all the other experiences associated with it. Deep insights, revelations, spiritual experiences, etc.
Then yes, absolutely! My bad thanks for not getting offended.
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thedream said: HBWR's and MG's are just too damn variable in potency that it seems like a last ditch effort to alter one's consciousness. I tried a CWE and still got disgustingly sick. IMO, the stuff is just not worth poisoning yourself. Honestly your better of putting the time and effort into a mushrooms grow. Any stomach problems brought on by the consumption of shrooms pale in comparison to HBWR. Never again for me.
Which is a shame because I've read really wonderful trip reports concerning HBWR's and MG's. I mean if the shit really lived up to some claims, we'd all be eating them and they'd probably become illegal.
That's why I believe a proper extraction with naptha and everclear is an absolute must. Reagent grade petroleum ether and pure ethanol is actually the preferred method by scientists who have experimented with LSA in a lab setting. And I agree, if everyone knew how easy it was to trip absolute balls from morning glories they would probably be banned from stores.
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PurpleHaze147



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Re: Argyreia Nervosa var. Nervosa VS Argyreia Nervosa var. Speciosa apperance [Re: Nihon_Hyperspace]
#19289682 - 12/17/13 05:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Here's a pic. I bought 50 from a vendor on amazon n they didn't have a rating cuz it was a new product. They came in a baggie labeled argyreia nervosa but idk if theyrr var. speciosa or nervosa.
 Look good or no? EDIT: Just saw a review saying they were active and I gave some to a friend yesterday n he didn't complain soo I guess they're good.
Edited by PurpleHaze147 (12/17/13 05:41 PM)
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