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How much mushrooms to blindfold you?
    #19287002 - 12/17/13 03:13 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

How much mushrooms does it take to blindfold someone completely, to send someone completely into infinity.. 15g? 20g?

I want to hear brief experiences on 10g+ mushroom trips..


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Re: How much mushrooms to blindfold you? [Re: DirtyTomFlint]
    #19287028 - 12/17/13 03:37 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "blindfold", but I would say that an incapacitating dose would depend on the individual for starters.

I wonder if there's a saturation point in extremely high doses as there is with LSD, if 20+ grams would be much different from 25, or 30.

I've been off to infinity, as you put it, on just 5+ gram doses while I was laying in my bed with the lights off and my eyes closed. After a while you begin to forget that you're there and kind of just drift off somewhere else.


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Re: How much mushrooms to blindfold you? [Re: Into The Woods]
    #19287536 - 12/17/13 08:13 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Depending on the size....I'd say about 25 or 30 should cover your eyes enough so you couldn't see....I's only eat a few though:shrug:


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Re: How much mushrooms to blindfold you? [Re: Thayendanegea] * 1
    #19287601 - 12/17/13 08:37 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Not sure what you mean 'blindfold'
Level 5 is normally something like 5-7 gm dry weight cube equivalent dose

But depends....  Over 7 gm, I don't remember much of the experience so it's a waste to go there in my opinion
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It's not about taking huge doses.... But about getting the most out of the experience

If you want to black out, drink too much alcohol. If you want to get high, smoke pot. If you want to experience psychedelics, trip responsibly

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Re: How much mushrooms to blindfold you? [Re: HarryL]
    #19287629 - 12/17/13 08:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Now that's a good and helpful response.


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Re: How much mushrooms to blindfold you? [Re: HarryL]
    #19287675 - 12/17/13 09:06 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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HarryL said:
Not sure what you mean 'blindfold'
Level 5 is normally something like 5-7 gm dry weight cube equivalent dose

But depends....  Over 7 gm, I don't remember much of the experience so it's a waste to go there in my opinion
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It's not about taking huge doses.... But about getting the most out of the experience

If you want to black out, drink too much alcohol. If you want to get high, smoke pot. If you want to experience psychedelics, trip responsibly

Just my two cents

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This^

After a certian point the higher the dose I take the more likely it is I am not going to remember the experience either. The closer I get to the 10g dose range the more likely I am to black out and remember virtualy nothing from the experience. I was done with that foolishness almost as soon as I was started. The 5-7g dose range should be sufficient to get "there". Once you've been "there" it should be relatively easy to get "there" on lower doses.


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Re: How much mushrooms to blindfold you? [Re: FrozenHappiness]
    #19288416 - 12/17/13 12:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I've seen people lose all connection with reality and float off to talk with god on as low as say 5g.  (Mix of dry cubes, fresh cubes and fresh Psilo Semi's)
Anything above the 5g mark is definitely reserved for those with a strong mental faculty. I dose friends at closer to 2-3g these days to be safe.

Some people have absolutely no tolerance to the things and can react badly sending them out of it. I literally had to hold my friends hand and guide him along a mountain path to somewhere more secluded with people walking past.
He mumbled constantly to himself about god, walked for 15 mins through a swampy field with only 1 shoe on before I spotted his bare sock. Constantly tried to just give up and lay down or rest against barb wire fencing.  Thought he'd died infinitely and being reborn.


I'd taken a stronger dose and was able to handle it. Did get 1 moment walking along with people nearby where my vision lapsed. I was blinded by the most intense wall of yellow hallucinations ever. Just slammed into me then passed.
I'd come down about 3-4 hours before he did and when his GF picked him up a long time after ingesting he was still out of it. She bathed the mud off him whilst he stared at the walls moving around him.


I've other buddies who would eat til theyre full and never experience any visual or mental effects that were overwhelming.
It's really hard to gauge. I've had strong visuals on low doses and nothing from high doses at times. With me there is no consistency.


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Re: How much mushrooms to blindfold you? [Re: infected_2]
    #19288748 - 12/17/13 01:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

At that dose you'd probably need to make a mushroom tincture because you can't eat that much matter. Get 20g-50g(dry), grind up, add to alcohol (medical or high proof drinking), shake daily, after 2 weeks filter out, evaporate down and just down it. Sounds incredibly dangerous and irresponsible, and you probably wouldn't be okay for a few days. I wonder how much control of your body you would even have at something like 50g...probably just become a writhing mass twitching in your own excrement.


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Re: How much mushrooms to blindfold you? [Re: HarryL]
    #19288811 - 12/17/13 02:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Not sure what you mean 'blindfold'
Level 5 is normally something like 5-7 gm dry weight cube equivalent dose





Level 5 only 5 to 7 grams? Either you're extremely sensitive to shrooms or I have a very hard time believing that claim. The only time where I would even consider myself having reached level 5 was when I freebased 120mg of DMT...and that was something else entirely.


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Re: How much mushrooms to blindfold you? [Re: Nihon_Hyperspace]
    #19289281 - 12/17/13 04:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

With really high doses (9+ grams dry w/fresh squeezed lemon) I have to chant some kind of mantra and lock my muscles to some extent as random impressions and thoughts begin to stack up on each other simultaneously or the muscle twitching/spasms combined with the sensory overload would really begin to become unbearable. Beforehand I dedicate the experience to tapping into my higher consciousness/will that lies above the normal waking ego with the intention of merging more fully with it to re-integrate into a higher level of coherency. Beethoven's symphonies also help with this re-integration. The mantra helps pull me though this process and emerge on the other side without winding up like this guy:

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Re: How much mushrooms to blindfold you? [Re: HarryL]
    #19289306 - 12/17/13 04:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

after taking 5gs you might not want to take anything above that :-)

it will make you scared to ever come back, if the shrooms are potent

can be level5, and no need to go higher than that really


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Re: How much mushrooms to blindfold you? [Re: Nihon_Hyperspace]
    #19289319 - 12/17/13 04:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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HarryL said:
Not sure what you mean 'blindfold'
Level 5 is normally something like 5-7 gm dry weight cube equivalent dose





Level 5 only 5 to 7 grams? Either you're extremely sensitive to shrooms or I have a very hard time believing that claim. The only time where I would even consider myself having reached level 5 was when I freebased 120mg of DMT...and that was something else entirely.




I had level4 on 4g mushroom chocolates, completely insanity for many hours, near death, infinite angles

and level5 on 5g, unconscious

now 3g chocolates gets me level5 it seems, one with the room/everything, unconscious
seems lower and lower dose is required

it depends on how you are able to let go of your thoughts I think

1.7g powder with redwine has been my most visual trip to date
or 4g mushrooms , those are the only ones I remember clearly due to many visuals

1.7g was more visual than 4g iirc.... everything morphed with open eyes

point is, visuals are pretty random often, just like the trips
no dose relation... maybe slight correlation


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Re: How much mushrooms to blindfold you? [Re: lessismore]
    #19289345 - 12/17/13 04:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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mio said:
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Nihon_Hyperspace said:
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HarryL said:
Not sure what you mean 'blindfold'
Level 5 is normally something like 5-7 gm dry weight cube equivalent dose





Level 5 only 5 to 7 grams? Either you're extremely sensitive to shrooms or I have a very hard time believing that claim. The only time where I would even consider myself having reached level 5 was when I freebased 120mg of DMT...and that was something else entirely.




I had level4 on 4g mushroom chocolates, completely insanity for many hours, near death, infinite angles

and level5 on 5g, unconscious

now 3g chocolates gets me level5 it seems, one with the room/everything, unconscious
seems lower and lower dose is required

it depends on how you are able to let go of your thoughts I think

1.7g powder with redwine has been my most visual trip to date
or 4g mushrooms , those are the only ones I remember clearly due to many visuals

1.7g was more visual than 4g iirc.... everything morphed with open eyes

point is, visuals are pretty random often, just like the trips
no dose relation... maybe slight correlation




I'm pretty sensitive to psilocybin, 6g cubes definitely gets me to level 5, haven't tried for that level with woodlovers but based on how 2g cyans hits me I'd assume 3-3.5 would get me there at least during the peak.  I don't aim for a whole level 5 trip as that level is more discomfort than anything else to me and I hardly remember anything, so I tend to aim for a solid level four where the peak takes me up into level 5 for short bursts.  Call me crazy but being completely incapacitated for 5 hours sounds like a shitty time.  :lol:


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Re: How much mushrooms to blindfold you? [Re: Nihon_Hyperspace]
    #19289392 - 12/17/13 04:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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HarryL said:
Not sure what you mean 'blindfold'
Level 5 is normally something like 5-7 gm dry weight cube equivalent dose





Level 5 only 5 to 7 grams? Either you're extremely sensitive to shrooms or I have a very hard time believing that claim. The only time where I would even consider myself having reached level 5 was when I freebased 120mg of DMT...and that was something else entirely.




I have never reached what I call level 5 on mushrooms either. I hardly even get any visuals from 5-7gm. DMT is the only thing that gets me there. Except for once on 1800ug of LSD, but that's another story...

I have heard of people eating well over an ounce and still having some sort of grasp on reality. I have also heard that there is a peak of experience that you can reach too, where it seems that dose does not matter after a certain point. I cannot say if either of those is true, but it seems to be the case for me.

I wouldn't recommend taking much more than 7-10gm, but I don't know how experienced you are. Those trips tend to be real foggy for me.


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Re: How much mushrooms to blindfold you? [Re: maddad]
    #19289823 - 12/17/13 05:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Level 5 only 5 to 7 grams? Either you're extremely sensitive to shrooms or I have a very hard time believing that claim. The only time where I would even consider myself having reached level 5 was when I freebased 120mg of DMT...and that was something else entirely.




Dude, if you aren't getting your consciousness completely rocked on a 5-7g dose then you either are eating improperly dried shrooms, are on some medication that interferes with the trip, or you are naturally very resilient to psilocybin. Most of the people I have ever tripped with have a more or less 1:1 correspondance between amount they dose in grams and level of experience they have.

For instance: 1g= lvl 1, 2g= lvl 2, 3g= lvl 3, 4g= lvl4 or 5, 5g= lvl 4 or 5.

The one time I ate above 8g I can remember the come up of the trip, and I can remember the afterglow after I mostly came down. Whatever happened during the peak is a complete mystery to me. The people that I personally know who have attempted trips near or past the 10g dose report similar phenomena. That isn't to say this is true for everybody. I am sure there are pleanty of people on these forums who have taken insane amounts of mushrooms, but I will hazard a guess and say that the ones who could actually remember most of their experience are in the minority.

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I have never reached what I call level 5 on mushrooms either. I hardly even get any visuals from 5-7gm. DMT is the only thing that gets me there. Except for once on 1800ug of LSD, but that's another story...





And futhermore, having an insane amount of visuals is not a very good indicator of how hard you are tripping when it comes to mushrooms. Having visuals on mushrooms can be very erratic. Sometimes a lower dose experience will be increadibly visual while a higher dose won't. A couple of my most intense trips had very little visuals at all, but I was tripping my goddamn face off-- total mindfuck, fading in and out of consentual reality, unable to recognize who or what I was-- the whole shebang.

If the pinnacle of the psychedelic experience for someone is an increadibly instense visual experience then LSD and DMT are probably more up their alley than mushrooms are.

In my experience having a level 5 mushroom trip largely depends on the user. The user must participate in the letting go, therefore it often takes a little work to get there. One cannot solely rely on the mushrooms to whisk them away like they can with DMT. The mushrooms will certianly get you close; they can set you upon the doorstep, but YOU must be the deciding factor. In many cases it must be YOU that chooses to let go of this reality and cross the threshold.


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Re: How much mushrooms to blindfold you? [Re: FrozenHappiness]
    #19289897 - 12/17/13 06:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Nihon_Hyperspace...  Not sure if you have only had weak mushrooms or on a SRRI or what... But 5-7 gm should be a level 5 experience for most people

See: http://www.shroomery.org/6257/Magic-Mushroom-Dosage-Calculator

It's not a contest though... If you need more, cool...


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Re: How much mushrooms to blindfold you? [Re: FrozenHappiness]
    #19289992 - 12/17/13 06:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I am not saying that I think the pinnacle of the psychedelic experience are the visuals. In fact my opinion is quite the opposite. Since the word psychedelic itself means "mind-manifesting", that's exactly what I use them for.

But the post is titled "How much mushrooms to blindfold you?". And to me that means, that it has taken you completely out of this reality. I have never experienced this on mushrooms. I agree that LSD or DMT are the way to go visually, but the head-spaces they provide cannot be overlooked either. As most others have said it really depends on the person, I was just giving my personal experience. Sorry if it goes against your own.

I have done upwards of 20gm of mushrooms and still not had a level 5. Not exactly sure the dose, by the peak I started to just eat them because I wasn't were I wanted to be. I have never been on any medication in my life, and I space out my trips adequately. The quality of the mushrooms is not in question to me either since the few friends I trip with have had intense experiences/visuals, when mine were mild at best in comparison, taking the same dose.


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Re: How much mushrooms to blindfold you? [Re: maddad]
    #19290146 - 12/17/13 07:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I didn't mean to sound like I was bitching at you for the visual comment maddad. It's just that I hear many people who are obviously talking about chasing the visual experience and to me it seems like they are missing the point.

And you are definately right, it does depend on the person, and if you and Nihon_Hyperspace can eat 20 some odd grams and not end up in some meaningless amnesiac blackout space then more power to ya. I cannot, nor have I ever met someone in person who could. I am willing to bet that people with your kind of natural tolerance are in the minority.

I don't know if there is a dose of mushrooms that is so visually intense that it essentialy blindfolds you. But many doses above the 3g mark can take the average user to some pretty strange places that are far removed from consentual reality, the void, infinity, ego death if you will.

I guess what I was trying to get at from the get-go was that 10g+ experiences are nothing to take lightly, or even fuck around with untill you know very well how the mushroom effects you. A 5-7g dose should be sufficient for someone with average tolerance to be able to squeeze into a lvl 5 experience. More is not neccessarily better for everybody, and it is not uncommon for people to begin having 4-5 hr blackout experiences on the much higher doses.

Edit: It is also not uncommon for a user of average tolerance to experience, seizures, convulsions or other seizure like symptoms on these much higher doses as well.


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Re: How much mushrooms to blindfold you? [Re: DirtyTomFlint]
    #19290290 - 12/17/13 07:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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In my experience having a level 5 mushroom trip largely depends on the user. The user must participate in the letting go, therefore it often takes a little work to get there. One cannot solely rely on the mushrooms to whisk them away like they can with DMT. The mushrooms will certianly get you close; they can set you upon the doorstep, but YOU must be the deciding factor. In many cases it must be YOU that chooses to let go of this reality and cross the threshold.





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OP, in short, this is your answer


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Re: How much mushrooms to blindfold you? [Re: Into The Woods]
    #19290314 - 12/17/13 07:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It drpends, OP


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