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Help a Newbie?
    #19287933 - 12/17/13 10:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Hi guys,

This is my first post here, so let me introduce myself.

I am a quite a straight edged guy. Don't really do drugs or drink much alcohol either. But, ever since a close friend of mine told me 2-3 years ago about his amazing experiences with MDMA/Acid and how they changed his perspective on life, I have wanted to trip.

Since then, I have read a lot of info about psychedelics on Erowid and through Google (experiences, effects etc) just out of curiosity. However, like I said I'm not much into the drug scene and although MDMA/Acid was freely available to me, I always avoided MDMA due to its neurotoxicity and acid due to its intensity. I wanted a mid ground therefore I decided on shrooms.

Unluckily for me, all the dealers around me had EVERYTHING except shrooms. But, call it luck or fate I discovered a way to get good quality shrooms just recently. And, lo and behold I am currently holding onto 2g of psilocybe cubensis cracker dried.

I thought I'd make this thread so I can clarify some of my doubts and get some (any) valuable tips from more experienced shroomers than myself.

So.....many questions come to mind but here are the most important ones:
1. Storage - I am really hoping to avoid the much spoken about god-awful taste and therefore I am thinking about grinding and encapsulating them.

For this, I plan to use a coffee blender and emptied out vitamin capsules (can't seem to find ready made empty capsules). However, since I plan to consume them on 27th-28th December which is around 1.5 weeks away, I was wondering if they will be okay for 10 days storage in powdered/encapsulated form? Or, should I just grind them like on 26th one or two days before consumption? Basically, need more info on storage.

Currently, they are in a vacuum sealed baggie in my cupboard.

2. Set/Setting - I will be in Goa, India on the date I intend to try these shrooms, with a couple of close & sober friends. Now, my psychonaut friend loves tripping at Goa Raves on LSD. And AFAIK LSD and Shrooms are similar, so I figured I could find a nice rave to trip.

But, after reading many reports, the general consensus seems to be that rave tripping is not not recommended. So, I am a bit confused about this aspect, especially since my friend ALWAYS trips at Goa raves. Need some clarification regarding this topic.

3. Dosage - I have around 2.2g to be precise. How much should I start off with?

Apart from that, feel free to share your wisdom :grin:

Please keep in mind, that this is going to be my first ever psychedelic experience. In fact, its the first time I am trying an illegal drug (not taking into account Marijuana/THC).

Thanks a lot in advance.

Looking forward to be part of this community :smile:


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Re: Help a Newbie? [Re: firstime]
    #19287984 - 12/17/13 10:49 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Hey man nice to meet ya!

For storage you should leave them in your fridge, in the dark. Make sure they're sealed well to keep out any moisture. It shouldn't matter if you encapsulate them now as long as they are properly stored.

As for going to a rave I wouldn't recommend that your first time. It could very easily get overwhelming and freak you out. If you could set up a backup plan to go somewhere nearby and secluded such as a forest or your house then I'd say go all for it and see how you like it. Just don't plan on driving.

Mushrooms aren't mild by any stretch don't underestimate them. You'll be fine with your dose but be careful.


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Re: Help a Newbie? [Re: Joker Flash]
    #19288055 - 12/17/13 11:08 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Hey,

Nice to meet you too!

Unfortunately, I don't live alone and we have a common fridge so refrigerating in not an option. I was thinking about wrapping them in a plastic baggie and then storing in an airtight container since its just a week and a half anyway. Do you think that's okay?

Well, its most probably going to be an open air rave, so I can just as easily walk out whenever I feel like it. But yeah, probably should scope out the spots before hand.

As far as the dosage going, I was actually thinking of taking only about 1 gram instead of the full 2. And, then if I'm comfortable with it take another. Or do you suggest taking the whole thing at once?

Glad to hear your thoughts.


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Re: Help a Newbie? [Re: firstime]
    #19288062 - 12/17/13 11:10 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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firstime said:
Hi guys,AFAIK LSD and Shrooms are similar, so I figured I could find a nice rave to trip.




Similar in a lot of ways, very different in others.  Ultimately it depends on how the individual reacts to these drugs. 
Personally I think LSD is preferable to shrooms for large gatherings.  However, if I got the chance to trip at a Goa rave I might change my mind.  Totally jealous.


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Re: Help a Newbie? [Re: firstime]
    #19288075 - 12/17/13 11:13 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

As long as they are cracker dry refrigeration is not that important, especially for a short period of time. 

As far as dosage, I would go with the 2 grams all at once.  Anything less than 2 grams and I don't feel much of anything.  I think it's a nice starter dose.

If you try to stagger your dosing you will most likely have tolerance issues.


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Re: Help a Newbie? [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #19288094 - 12/17/13 11:17 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Hmm okay,

I figured 2g might be too intense especially since I have no experience with psychedelics.

But, yeah I guess I should take it for what it is :smile:


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Re: Help a Newbie? [Re: firstime]
    #19288120 - 12/17/13 11:26 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Definitely the whole 2gs. You would have a good time on 1 but you wouldnt really get the full experience. And I'm just ocd about my storage don't listen to me :lol: it isn't really necessary but it's good practice. Good vibes and have a great time! :smile:


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Re: Help a Newbie? [Re: firstime]
    #19288150 - 12/17/13 11:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Start here follow those guidelines sorry its long. I believe in being prepared. For all intents and purposes we are assuming you will be tripping alone so go by that when you read the site.

I say plan like you are tripping alone because even tho your friend is taking another hallucinogen, they are very different and dosing will be quite different. I would almost guarantee you guys will be in two different worlds.

Take the 2g and always remember go with the flow never fight the shroom. If you feel yourself getting negative or overwhelmed find a quiet place alone (or with a sober friend if alone wouldn't be safe.)

"Acid you're driving the car. Shrooms you're in the backseat and just along for the ride."-unknown don't remember who said it but I love that saying.

Remember have fun, enjoy the ride, and GL!!


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Re: Help a Newbie? [Re: magickspore]
    #19288201 - 12/17/13 11:51 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Hey dude. On the topic of storage, they'll be just fine sitting in that baggie for a while, especially if its vacuum sealed; I don't see any need to change storage unless you're worried about getting caught or something. But imo, just eat them! Don't psych yourself out about the taste, they're just mushrooms. If you grind them up into a powder, they're going to hit you Really hard so you might not want to do that.....

Raves are cool as hell on Acid, because lsd is much more energetic and social than mushrooms. Never taken mushrooms at a rave but I can't imagine that being comfortable. Dont feel like you need to take them at a rave because you're going to be with your friends and wanna try something new; save them for a nice lazy afternoon!  Youll have the best experience if you have nothing to do, just sitting around and enjoying yourself; it will be much more meaningful.

And I cant recommend on dosage. Mushrooms very greatly in potency, so you might wanna talk to your source about that. And remember, if you grind them up, you are going to trip WAY harder.

Anyhow, India sounds cool as hell. Very cool and down to earth people, im jealous. Good luck man!


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Re: Help a Newbie? [Re: magickspore]
    #19288206 - 12/17/13 11:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Welcome to the shroomery. I just want to say that you shouldn't write acid off due to "intensity". It is really a matter of preference. LSD has been nothing but good to me, and if a psychedelic experience is what you are looking for (plus your post insinuated that LSD was available near you, but shrooms were not) then go for the acid!

/rant.

Anyways, I really hope you find what you are looking for! If you have a respect for psychedelics and the right mindset, it can open up a whole new world for you!

Good luck.


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Re: Help a Newbie? [Re: RockyRaccoon]
    #19288218 - 12/17/13 11:56 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You can toss them in caps and put them in a ziplock bag, then store them in drawer, closest, or wherever you choose. Be sure you haven't eaten about 3 or 4 hours before you take the caps. Have some reefer or beers/juice on hand for drinking during the experience.  2 grams should be a good mellow introduction, enjoy!!


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Re: Help a Newbie? [Re: smokin427]
    #19288252 - 12/17/13 12:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Have you been to one of these raves before? They can be absolutely awesome but sometimes they can turn pretty bad. You do not want to be tripping for the first time if the rave gets shut down by police.

I spent a few months in India in 2008. I went to two raves out in the jungle in the middle of no where. Unfortunately the first party was being closed down by the police as we arrived. The second one just kept going and was a lovely chilled vibe.


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Re: Help a Newbie? [Re: firstime]
    #19288289 - 12/17/13 12:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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firstime said:
So.....many questions come to mind but here are the most important ones:
1. Storage - I am really hoping to avoid the much spoken about god-awful taste and therefore I am thinking about grinding and encapsulating them.

For this, I plan to use a coffee blender and emptied out vitamin capsules (can't seem to find ready made empty capsules). However, since I plan to consume them on 27th-28th December which is around 1.5 weeks away, I was wondering if they will be okay for 10 days storage in powdered/encapsulated form? Or, should I just grind them like on 26th one or two days before consumption? Basically, need more info on storage.

Currently, they are in a vacuum sealed baggie in my cupboard.

2. Set/Setting - I will be in Goa, India on the date I intend to try these shrooms, with a couple of close & sober friends. Now, my psychonaut friend loves tripping at Goa Raves on LSD. And AFAIK LSD and Shrooms are similar, so I figured I could find a nice rave to trip.

But, after reading many reports, the general consensus seems to be that rave tripping is not not recommended. So, I am a bit confused about this aspect, especially since my friend ALWAYS trips at Goa raves. Need some clarification regarding this topic.

3. Dosage - I have around 2.2g to be precise. How much should I start off with?





1 - They'll be fine in the bag given when you're taking them.  Also the taste isn't that bad if you like thinks like beats or other earthy tasting things.
2 - I took 6 grams at a house party and was fine with it.  I may have wandered off for a few hours, just enjoy the ride and see where they take you.
3 - Eat them all.:mushroom2:


Hope you have a good time with them - don't forget to tell us how it all goes.


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Re: Help a Newbie? [Re: Mushroon]
    #19288332 - 12/17/13 12:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

@magickspore
Thanks for the link. Gonna bookmark that.

@smokin427
You were right on about that feeling....taking something at a rave because my friends are there.

A lazy afternoon sounds nice too but then I'd probably have to do them alone. I don't know if that is the best idea.

@RockyRaccoon
I haven't written it off but my experienced friends suggested I should start off with either MDMA or shrooms to get an idea of what its like before graduating to LSD.

Because acid can sometimes last for 12-14 hours and if it goes south, then I probably won't know how to deal with it.

@psilocybinjunkie
Reefer doesn't go well with me. Whaaaat....? haha yeah its true. I'm just going to try and relax before the trip.

And yeah definitely going to carry a small bottle of juice in my pocket handy. Thanks for the empty stomach suggestion, I didn't know about that.

@Mushroon
Yes, I have last year. I know about the police scenes in Goa. But, I'm going in December which is the peak tourist season. At around that time, the cops are paid well and in all probability it won't get shut down.

But yeah, I am seriously considering NOT doing it in at a rave now.

@shroomy stan
Definitely will. Just hope I'm still on planet Earth after the trip :P

@all
Thanks for the overwhelming responses! Was really expecting much fewer responses.


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Re: Help a Newbie? [Re: shroomy stan]
    #19288360 - 12/17/13 12:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It's good to see that these responses are actually helping to influence you in the right direction. Here's my two cents just for extra measure.

When it comes to storage, the best method is a cold, dark place. Keep them in something vacuum sealed and place that in the fridge if possible. If you can't do that at least make sure they're in a very dark place. Don't fret too much if these conditions aren't possible. I recently held onto an 1/8th of P.Cubes in a simple ziplock baggie in the bottom drawer of my dresser for nearly six months and they were still just as potent.

Do NOT take them at a rave. Set and setting are vital, especially to newcomers and first-timers. If you take them in a place that you're not comfortable, or around people you don't know, you're setting yourself up for a less-than-wonderful experience.

I would not recommend taking the full amount for your first time. The average recommendation for firt-timers is between 1.5 and 1.75 grams (about 1/16th), but since you don't drink or partake in other drugs, I would instead recommend between 1 and 1.5 grams. I was also a pretty straight-edge kid before I experimented with psychedelics and if I had taken any more than the 1/16th I took I would have regretted it. Dosage is probably the most important part of taking substances, so don't get ahead of yourself or you're not going to have a good experience.

Lastly, if you don't want to experience the taste (many don't) encapsulating them can be great. If you don't have the time or ability to do that, instead grind them up and put them in a glass of orange juice--NOT lemon juice. While lemon juice has chemicals that can increase the effects, standard citrus acid has no chemical effect on the mushrooms but can help reduce nausea which is likely to be felt.

Stay safe out there, be smart, and relax. You'll have a great time as long as you be careful.


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Re: Help a Newbie? [Re: firstime]
    #19288858 - 12/17/13 02:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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firstime said:
@RockyRaccoon

Because acid can sometimes last for 12-14 hours and if it goes south, then I probably won't know how to deal with it.





That makes sense. Never thought about it that way. :thumbup:


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Re: Help a Newbie? [Re: RockyRaccoon]
    #19288958 - 12/17/13 02:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I agree with all that's been said and I'd add:

Bring and drink as much water as you can.  You should be pissing every couple of hours (esp if you're at a rave)

If you must attend the rave, then I'd suggest maybe an out of the way place that's quieter and less distractions.  Set & setting.  Perhaps after you've dosed you can go with your instincts about being more a part of the rave.  At least this way you'd have a bit of a choice as to how involved in the rave you'll be.  If it's getting too much you can retreat to a quieter place.  Maybe check out the scene beforehand (in the daylight, sober) to give yourself some comfort in the vibe.  But I agree with the other posts here, avoid the rave if possible.  If this wasn't your first time, you'd know for yourself whether the rave would be ok.  Err on the side of caution even if you have to miss the rave.  You won't regret it.

2.2g whole vs 2.2g powdered is a pretty big difference.  Absorbtion efficiency is higher with the powder, so I'd suggest no more than 1-1.5g powdered.  If whole, all 2.2g will be great.  In powdered form, there are pretty strong effects even at 0.25g.

Ritualizing the whole thing (as simple or elaborate as you want) is fun and gives you a good set going into the experience.

Above all, have a great time.

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Re: Help a Newbie? [Re: Worgy]
    #19290738 - 12/17/13 09:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

@Worgy
Good to hear from a straight edged guy. Didn't think I'd find any of this forum :P (no offense guys)

I'm thinking of going with around 1.5g especially since I am taking it powdered. Plus, I'm trying to get in touch with my source so that I can get some info about potency.

@NGC6705
My hotel is going to be very close from the rave so I'm thinking if I can't handle it I'll just go back to my hotel.

As far as I know the only difference between powdered and dried form is that with powder the come up is much faster.

@Psychedelic Love
Hey,

Thanks for the tips. I think the 'letting go' one is the hardest to follow during your first trip. There's bound to be some nervousness but I'm going to try my best.

On the topic of MDMA, I respect your decision to partake. However, please know that MDMA IS neurotoxic regardless of your dosage. There are several reports that confirm this. Refer to http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma_neurotoxicity.shtml for more information. The exact effects of the damage it causes are unclear but it is said to change your brain's serotonergic or pleasure system.

Yes, you are right that you probably won't notice any change in your functioning on a day to day basis if you use MDMA moderately. However, I have always been a rational person and even a slightest risk of damaging my brain for a night of 'fun' doesn't do it for me.

Sorry if I came upon as harsh. Just expressing my opinion. I would love to hear others opinion on this topic actually.


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Re: Help a Newbie? [Re: firstime]
    #19291913 - 12/18/13 05:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Firstime, you are definitely making the right decision regarding MDMA. There is ample research which shows that even small amounts have neurotoxicity leading to cognitive impairment and alterations in mood for years afterwards.

Stay with the mushrooms if you like them, but all in all don't feel that you need to do drugs.


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Re: Help a Newbie? [Re: firstime]
    #19291932 - 12/18/13 05:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

1. Storage - I am really hoping to avoid the much spoken about god-awful taste and therefore I am thinking about grinding and encapsulating them.

For this, I plan to use a coffee blender and emptied out vitamin capsules (can't seem to find ready made empty capsules). However, since I plan to consume them on 27th-28th December which is around 1.5 weeks away, I was wondering if they will be okay for 10 days storage in powdered/encapsulated form? Or, should I just grind them like on 26th one or two days before consumption? Basically, need more info on storage.

Currently, they are in a vacuum sealed baggie in my cupboard.


Keep them in a cool dark place, away from all heat, air and moisture and they'll be fine.

2. Set/Setting - I will be in Goa, India on the date I intend to try these shrooms, with a couple of close & sober friends. Now, my psychonaut friend loves tripping at Goa Raves on LSD. And AFAIK LSD and Shrooms are similar, so I figured I could find a nice rave to trip.

But, after reading many reports, the general consensus seems to be that rave tripping is not not recommended. So, I am a bit confused about this aspect, especially since my friend ALWAYS trips at Goa raves. Need some clarification regarding this topic.


Tripping is generally something better first experimented with behind closed doors, not in public places until you're more comfortable with the experience and know what to expect. No amount of reading can wholly prepare you for what you're going to experience. You'll be in an extremely suggestible and emotionally vulnerable state so I wouldn't recommend tripping at a rave for your first time.

3. Dosage - I have around 2.2g to be precise. How much should I start off with?

Apart from that, feel free to share your wisdom :grin:

Please keep in mind, that this is going to be my first ever psychedelic experience. In fact, its the first time I am trying an illegal drug (not taking into account Marijuana/THC).)


Two grams really isn't a lot, so you'd might as well take it all. In fact, I'd suggest looking into the lemon tek. You'll get a taste of the full effects and the duration won't be as long, which might be preferable for a first timer.

:peace:


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