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sunshine
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I'm searching for the ultimate high
#19288237 - 12/17/13 12:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think it's shrooms that will bring it. I've just got to get myself into the right state and then the shrooms will propel me into the peak of the ultimate high.
-------------------- One Love True Indeed. Have Good Trips. Mike/sunshine's mom.
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Re: I'm searching for the ultimate high [Re: sunshine]
#19288266 - 12/17/13 12:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I heard you needed nitrous too.
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Re: I'm searching for the ultimate high [Re: sunshine]
#19288269 - 12/17/13 12:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Try ibogaine, trip that is as strong as dmt and lasts 24h +. Add to it 2-3 brownies and you are set for ultimate high.
Edited by DoomSquirrel (12/17/13 12:11 PM)
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Re: I'm searching for the ultimate high [Re: Rorge]
#19288274 - 12/17/13 12:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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No drug I have tried has come as close to the ultimate as shrooms. I've thought about using other drugs, too, but I feel the pure thing will get me the closest.
-------------------- One Love True Indeed. Have Good Trips. Mike/sunshine's mom.
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Re: I'm searching for the ultimate high [Re: DoomSquirrel]
#19288286 - 12/17/13 12:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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DoomSquirrel said: Try ibogaine, trip that is as strong as dmt and lasts 24h +
My Ibogaine thread got moved to ODD. It's toxic and you have to be careful with it. So far shrooms have brought me the closest on 14 g. I just need to double the dose and then I will have the ultimate peak experience.
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Re: I'm searching for the ultimate high [Re: sunshine]
#19288303 - 12/17/13 12:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I was rather humorous in my last post. Just eat 30 grams like dudes in amazon forest and don't forget about report for future generations.
upd. I recently tried something closer to 14 grams and I can't recollect a thing. Kudos for bravery.
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Re: I'm searching for the ultimate high [Re: DoomSquirrel]
#19288308 - 12/17/13 12:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Amazon.com. I am going to read books by McKenna before my ultimate high experience.
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Re: I'm searching for the ultimate high [Re: sunshine]
#19288322 - 12/17/13 12:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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You'd be wrong. Seriously get some you'll be really glad you did
-------------------- A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, design a building, conn a ship, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve an equation, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.- Robert A. Heinlein Saint RedBow of the Shroomey Loomey-Patron Saint of Sandbaggin Sumbitchs
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Re: I'm searching for the ultimate high [Re: TheGreenArrow]
#19288325 - 12/17/13 12:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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That sounds good right now, but not after the ultimate high.
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Re: I'm searching for the ultimate high [Re: sunshine]
#19288329 - 12/17/13 12:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mushrooms will totally wreck you dude. Hit that shit up go for the ultimate high!!!!!!
   
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Re: I'm searching for the ultimate high [Re: Eclipse3130]
#19288338 - 12/17/13 12:22 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Nitrous plus psychedelics have propelled me way farther then just psyches by themselves.
-------------------- A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, design a building, conn a ship, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve an equation, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.- Robert A. Heinlein Saint RedBow of the Shroomey Loomey-Patron Saint of Sandbaggin Sumbitchs
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Re: I'm searching for the ultimate high [Re: TheGreenArrow]
#19288353 - 12/17/13 12:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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What about comedown with n2o? Do you feel depleted after or it doesn't stress your brain?
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sunshine
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Re: I'm searching for the ultimate high [Re: TheGreenArrow]
#19288355 - 12/17/13 12:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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But more pure shrooms are better!
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Re: I'm searching for the ultimate high [Re: sunshine]
#19288368 - 12/17/13 12:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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4-aco-dmt always propels me into the most euphoric state of being, more so than mushrooms, and it's considerably more predictable than mushrooms at least for me.
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Re: I'm searching for the ultimate high [Re: Deemstar]
#19288385 - 12/17/13 12:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm scared to try that drug. Shrooms are the closest thing I've found.
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Re: I'm searching for the ultimate high [Re: DoomSquirrel]
#19288450 - 12/17/13 12:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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DoomSquirrel said: What about comedown with n2o? Do you feel depleted after or it doesn't stress your brain?
Actually as long as you make sure to breathe air in between when you huff. It's actually not bad for you at all besides maybe a b12 deficiency, that can be counteracted with vitamins. Nitrous has alot of research done on it since its been around since like 1780's or some shit like that. From what I understand its fairly benign. As far as comedown, fucking none:).
-------------------- A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, design a building, conn a ship, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve an equation, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.- Robert A. Heinlein Saint RedBow of the Shroomey Loomey-Patron Saint of Sandbaggin Sumbitchs
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Re: I'm searching for the ultimate high [Re: TheGreenArrow]
#19288479 - 12/17/13 12:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm going to smoke a blunt of OG Ghost Train Haze when I come down. That's the ultimate high. No questions asked.
-------------------- One Love True Indeed. Have Good Trips. Mike/sunshine's mom.
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Re: I'm searching for the ultimate high [Re: sunshine]
#19288676 - 12/17/13 01:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Has anyone considered that shrooms can have a "dark side" to them? I've found that on certain shroom trips on pretty high doses that the shrooms seem to provide a much darker experience than expected.
I'm not talking about set, setting, state of mind, or any of that "well you're just saying that because it was in your head" no, no, and no. I've been at some of the best points in my life where I have accepted my past, had no current issues going on, etc. and BAM! The shrooms seems to want to take me down this dark path out of nowhere. I couldn't imagine how horrific this experience could be on some ultimate does like the OP speaks of. It's not fun, it's not pretty, and again, it had nothing to do with "your ego holding on, you just gotta let go man" no. The trip was just dark and somewhat evil seemingly out of nowhere.
Of course this is all opinion and different substances affect different individuals, but I've read reports on shroomery that talk of similar dark-natured effects. All I can say is good luck and happy travels my friend. As long as you're prepared for it I'm guessing you'll be fine.
However, If I myself was searching for the "ultimate high" it would definitely be through LSD, possibly with a little nitrous thrown into the mix. For me, mushrooms can't compare to the overall magic and glory of LSD, and I have yet to have any negative experiences with LSD.
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This is stupid...
The ultimate high? What does that even mean?
This is just so stupid.
Another McKenna wanna be...
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Re: I'm searching for the ultimate high [Re: sunshine]
#19288752 - 12/17/13 01:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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sunshine said: I'm going to smoke a blunt of OG Ghost Train Haze when I come down. That's the ultimate high. No questions asked.
I think you just haven't tried many other drugs. Personally I think the ultimate high would be something like heroin, acid, and MDMA all at once while smoking bud and doing coke (sporadically). The physical feeling of bliss would propel you to experience complete euphoria.
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Re: I'm searching for the ultimate high [Re: GreySatyr]
#19288853 - 12/17/13 02:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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GreyMorph said: This is stupid...
The ultimate high? What does that even mean?
This is just so stupid.
Another McKenna wanna be...
This is the Psychedelic Experience forum. His original post essentially epitomizes 99% of the posts made here.
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Re: I'm searching for the ultimate high [Re: Rorge]
#19288917 - 12/17/13 02:34 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Rorge said:
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GreyMorph said: This is stupid...
The ultimate high? What does that even mean?
This is just so stupid.
Another McKenna wanna be...
This is the Psychedelic Experience forum. His original post essentially epitomizes 99% of the posts made here.
Agreed. And seeing how the OP has almost 28,000 posts, I think he knows what he's talking about.
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Dude wants to get as high as he possibly can. That's just like any coke fiend or heroin junkie. The point isn't getting so blitzed that you pass out. That's not what psychedelics should be about...
That last statement about is post stats is like someone spending all day watching ESPN then trying to join the NBA because he's spent a year watching the pros nonstop...
It's still stupid. And the fact that you have only thirty posts means that you obviously know much less at least that's using your logic. I think it a good possibility that you or I may know more than him regardless of post count, don't you?...
I still form the opinion that the objective of the OP is ultimately stupid.
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Re: I'm searching for the ultimate high [Re: GreySatyr]
#19289043 - 12/17/13 03:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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GreyMorph said: I still form the opinion that the objective of the OP is ultimately stupid.
I concur!
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Re: I'm searching for the ultimate high [Re: GreySatyr]
#19289076 - 12/17/13 03:14 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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GreyMorph said: Dude wants to get as high as he possibly can. That's just like any coke fiend or heroin junkie. The point isn't getting so blitzed that you pass out. That's not what psychedelics should be about...
That last statement about is post stats is like someone spending all day watching ESPN then trying to join the NBA because he's spent a year watching the pros nonstop...
It's still stupid. And the fact that you have only thirty posts means that you obviously know much less at least that's using your logic. I think it a good possibility that you or I may know more than him regardless of post count, don't you?...
I still form the opinion that the objective of the OP is ultimately stupid.
Fair enough GreyMorph I see your point.
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The OP mainly posts nonsense in OTD and I would not take any of his threads seriously, only the ones about martial arts should be taken seriously( ). I even have a feeling this is a nonsense thread but I'll leave it alone.
sunshine needs to up his chi levels before he can experience the ultimate high.
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Re: I'm searching for the ultimate high [Re: sunshine]
#19289153 - 12/17/13 03:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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sunshine said: I think it's shrooms that will bring it. I've just got to get myself into the right state and then the shrooms will propel me into the peak of the ultimate high.
Then take 15 grams and get back to us.
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Re: I'm searching for the ultimate high [Re: karode13]
#19289155 - 12/17/13 03:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I already had close to the ultimate high on 14 g. It wasn't quite enough. I know I'm on the right track because NOTHING came close. The ultimate high.
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Re: I'm searching for the ultimate high [Re: sunshine]
#19289265 - 12/17/13 03:57 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Coming from someone who has done pretty much every drug out there, mushrooms and other psychedelics are a huge cut above the rest. I remember thinking that everything else was just a little seasoning on top of reality, but a good trip with literally transport you to a different world and that, in my opinion, is the ultimate high. The rest are just ''scumdrugs'' that dumb you down and make the world narrower.
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Re: I'm searching for the ultimate high [Re: blackmilk]
#19289400 - 12/17/13 04:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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blackmilk said: Coming from someone who has done pretty much every drug out there, mushrooms and other psychedelics are a huge cut above the rest. I remember thinking that everything else was just a little seasoning on top of reality, but a good trip with literally transport you to a different world and that, in my opinion, is the ultimate high. The rest are just ''scumdrugs'' that dumb you down and make the world narrower.
I understand what you're saying but don't be so judgmental about people.
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Re: I'm searching for the ultimate high [Re: Aopocetx]
#19289414 - 12/17/13 04:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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blackmilk said: Coming from someone who has done pretty much every drug out there, mushrooms and other psychedelics are a huge cut above the rest. I remember thinking that everything else was just a little seasoning on top of reality, but a good trip with literally transport you to a different world and that, in my opinion, is the ultimate high. The rest are just ''scumdrugs'' that dumb you down and make the world narrower.
I understand what you're saying but don't be so judgmental about people.
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If i offended anyone i apologize. I was talking about other drugs.
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Re: I'm searching for the ultimate high [Re: karode13]
#19289486 - 12/17/13 04:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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karode13 said: The OP mainly posts nonsense in OTD and I would not take any of his threads seriously, only the ones about martial arts should be taken seriously( ). I even have a feeling this is a nonsense thread but I'll leave it alone.
sunshine needs to up his chi levels before he can experience the ultimate high.

Agree! Haha. I wonder about something but i'll leave it be as well, haha.
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Re: I'm searching for the ultimate high [Re: blackmilk]
#19289528 - 12/17/13 05:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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blackmilk said:
If i offended anyone i apologize. I was talking about other drugs.
You seemed to be implying that other drugs (narcotics) narrow your mindset so the users are dumb or narrowminded. Maybe that's not what you meant? It's not a big deal anyway just pointing it out to you.
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Re: I'm searching for the ultimate high [Re: Aopocetx]
#19289587 - 12/17/13 05:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Aopocetx said: You seemed to be implying that other drugs (narcotics) narrow your mindset so the users are dumb or narrowminded. Maybe that's not what you meant? It's not a big deal anyway just pointing it out to you.
In a way yes thats what i was saying, but not so much that the users are dumb and narrowminded but the drugs themselves are dumb and narrowminded(atleast compared to psychedelics)
Dont get me wrong i love my narcotics, but my brain feels stupid and dull on them. They dont exclusively do that, some people feel expanded on those types of drugs. They can be used to expand your mind but generally thats not what they are used for, they are used to get high, have fun, get away from life for a bit and stop thinking so much. Psys can do that too, but they are/can be so much more than that as well, and offer the(imo) ultimate high because of it.
But everyones got their preferences
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Re: I'm searching for the ultimate high [Re: blackmilk]
#19289665 - 12/17/13 05:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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blackmilk said:
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Aopocetx said: You seemed to be implying that other drugs (narcotics) narrow your mindset so the users are dumb or narrowminded. Maybe that's not what you meant? It's not a big deal anyway just pointing it out to you.
In a way yes thats what i was saying, but not so much that the users are dumb and narrowminded but the drugs themselves are dumb and narrowminded(atleast compared to psychedelics)
Dont get me wrong i love my narcotics, but my brain feels stupid and dull on them. They dont exclusively do that, some people feel expanded on those types of drugs. They can be used to expand your mind but generally thats not what they are used for, they are used to get high, have fun, get away from life for a bit and stop thinking so much. Psys can do that too, but they are/can be so much more than that as well, and offer the(imo) ultimate high because of it.
But everyones got their preferences 
I think I misread the tone of your post.
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Re: I'm searching for the ultimate high [Re: sunshine]
#19289707 - 12/17/13 05:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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sunshine said:
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DoomSquirrel said: Try ibogaine, trip that is as strong as dmt and lasts 24h +
My Ibogaine thread got moved to ODD. It's toxic and you have to be careful with it. So far shrooms have brought me the closest on 14 g. I just need to double the dose and then I will have the ultimate peak experience.
Careful with that ax, Eugene. 
I've found, in many mushroom trips, with many different dosages, many different strains, and several species, that the high is not as dependent on the dosage as on the mindset, and other, less quantifiable, aspects. What I strongly recommend is your grow your own, develop a solid isolate so you get consistent potency from what you grow, and then experiment with incremental dosage adjustments. There's a point just this side of where you lose all memory of the trip itself that offers the ultimate experience, in my experience. 
Cross that point ("double the dose and then...") and though undoubtedly you get higher, you have no recall of it either during or afterwards. 
But just writing this makes me want to trip.  
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Re: I'm searching for the ultimate high [Re: PrimalSoup]
#19289733 - 12/17/13 05:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Adrenochrome. Remember “It's no good if you get it out of a corpse."
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Re: I'm searching for the ultimate high [Re: JustinCord]
#19289776 - 12/17/13 05:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Umm, aya?
Do whatever you want to do with your shrooms, and then show up either in Brazil or Peru, and try the stuff they do there.
I suspect it will go above and beyond what you consider the ultimate high in your living room.
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Re: I'm searching for the ultimate high [Re: Spacerific]
#19289864 - 12/17/13 06:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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SHROOMZ, MDMA, WEED, and NITROUS... the ultimate high. The shroomz r interchangeable with LSD. Also a benzo or opioid for the comedown from the MDMA would be nice too.
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Re: I'm searching for the ultimate high [Re: blackmilk]
#19289888 - 12/17/13 06:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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blackmilk said: Coming from someone who has done pretty much every drug out there, mushrooms and other psychedelics are a huge cut above the rest. I remember thinking that everything else was just a little seasoning on top of reality, but a good trip with literally transport you to a different world and that, in my opinion, is the ultimate high. The rest are just ''scumdrugs'' that dumb you down and make the world narrower.
Agreed except for the last sentence. Shrooms, LSD, and mescalines euphoria blow heroins or cracks euphoria out of the water. Other drugs r more for people with emotional pain who can't cope with the world around them.
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Re: I'm searching for the ultimate high [Re: PurpleHaze147]
#19290417 - 12/17/13 08:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'd like to try more LSD. I had two really cool trips on 500 mcg. They were laid back. My 1000 mcg trip was intense and without my mushroom experience I probably would have been turned off to the high dose. I mostly have 1/8 oz or more of mushrooms for trips. I only have five or six trips that were less intense, if you count my two 500 mcg trips! I had a lot of experience smoking weed and drinking alcohol before I tripped. The mellow trip could be the ultimate high. Next time I trip it will be on a mellow dose. 14 g is not a mellow trip and it's not something you do very often. Peace Out, YO!
-------------------- One Love True Indeed. Have Good Trips. Mike/sunshine's mom.
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butchugbeer4lyfe
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Re: I'm searching for the ultimate high [Re: sunshine]
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I hear licking toads is dope.
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GreySatyr
Pagan-Psyche


Registered: 06/20/13
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Loc: North Carolina
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10$ says OPs never dosed but how will we prove it?
-------------------- ...also, go to hell, huh?
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