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Re: My name is Richard Fry. I WILL NOT LET YOU RUN A BACKGROUND CHECK! [Re: tjshokk46]
#19286833 - 12/17/13 01:22 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Don't be a dumbass. It costs money to run this site and keep it stable. Due to the nature of the site in general as well as the massive amount of traffic, the admins have to be extra careful who they do business with. The FEDs don't need your permission to run a background check. If you don't like it then don't do it.
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Re: My name is Richard Fry. I WILL NOT LET YOU RUN A BACKGROUND CHECK! [Re: tjshokk46] 11
#19287016 - 12/17/13 03:25 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Wow, this is the first time I've ever seen someone throw a shit-fit about the (typically refundable) $50 deposit which we require from all new advertisers. The only time you wouldn't get your $50 back is if we decline your sponsor application, in which case we'd be turning down at least a guaranteed $150/month in recurring banner payments. If that's a scam it must be the most ill-conceived, short-sighted scam of all time. 
We used to use https://www.1-background-checks.com/ but I'm not sure if we still do since they don't cover Canada. You could PM geokills and ask; he's the one who takes care of vendor applications. Also, if you have a recommendation for a cheaper company to run credit and background checks, I'm sure he'd want to know.
In the distant past we've had some shady sponsors who disappeared without fulfilling all their orders. So, now we only approve sponsors who we personally stand behind and vouch for, and we drop sponsors if they no longer meet our standards. Obviously, we can't vouch for someone unless we've had time to review their business practices and verify that they don't have a history of related criminal activity. We have no interest in things like old DUIs, possession charges, probation violations, or anything which doesn't have a bearing on an individual's ability to conduct honest business. However, if someone wants to advertise with us but is currently in massive debt and has a recent history of theft or fraud, that raises a ton of red flags and we would probably decline to process their application further. We also need time to collect candid customer testimonials and place secret shopper orders in some cases to ensure that a new advertiser is a good fit.
I like this policy. I think it's the right thing to do and it's good for everyone. Our members know they can order from a Shroomery sponsor and they don't have to worry about getting ripped off. Our sponsors receive more business because prospective customers know they've been carefully vetted and shown to be trustworthy. And we protect the site's reputation, and increase the value of banner space on the Shroomery because all ads come with our implicit endorsement. The only people who don't benefit are scam artists who would hope to make a quick buck off our members. Or advertisers who don't care about having a "relationship" with the site and just want to get started right away with minimal expense, but we have classified ads for that.
I'm sorry you don't feel like the Shroomery is a good fit for your needs, but it sounds like you have lots of experience with ad buys so you shouldn't have any trouble finding other sites with terms more to your liking. I wish you the best of luck in your endeavors and I apologize if you feel like you wasted your time here!
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Re: My name is Richard Fry. I WILL NOT LET YOU RUN A BACKGROUND CHECK! [Re: tjshokk46] 8
#19287187 - 12/17/13 05:08 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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tjshokk46 said: They're just out to make money off of you guys ..
WOW...Ya think?
Are you seriously telling us that Mind Media Corp, a for-profit corporation operating two websites is trying to make money? Whodathunkit?
Lucky for us, advertisers like yourself would never have a profit motive.
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Re: My name is Richard Fry. I WILL NOT LET YOU RUN A BACKGROUND CHECK! [Re: Enlil]
#19287587 - 12/17/13 08:32 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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tjshokk46 said: They're just out to make money off of you guys ..
WOW...Ya think?
Are you seriously telling us that Mind Media Corp, a for-profit corporation operating two websites is trying to make money? Whodathunkit?
Lucky for us, advertisers like yourself would never have a profit motive.
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Re: My name is Richard Fry. I WILL NOT LET YOU RUN A BACKGROUND CHECK! [Re: Enlil] 7
#19288107 - 12/17/13 11:23 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'm surprised the ad prices are so low.
And encouraged that the Shroomery takes such a hard line on preventing scammers. Obviously spore buyers are uniquely vulnerable to scams, as the avenues to comfortably address a ripoff are limited. Shroomery members need the Shroomery to police sponsors.
And anyone with a background in affiliate/CPA advertising is waving a huge red flag anyway. It's basically a background in scamming. Add to that the threats this guy made to damage the Shroomery with black-hat techniques and it appears that the introductory email did its job perfectly -- it kept this asshole off the Sponsor page, and Shroomery members safe from whatever schemes he had in mind.
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#19288729 - 12/17/13 01:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I am glad this guy is not going to become a sponsor.
If this is how he acts when conducting business I want nothing to do with him and I'm glad the shroomery doesn't either.
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#19291129 - 12/17/13 11:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: My name is Richard Fry. I WILL NOT LET YOU RUN A BACKGROUND CHECK! [Re: HappyHooligan]
#19291200 - 12/18/13 12:01 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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HappyHooligan said: OP, we can all agree that this is where you belong ---> http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19048536
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Re: My name is Richard Fry. I WILL NOT LET YOU RUN A BACKGROUND CHECK! [Re: TrentBoyett]
#19297081 - 12/19/13 08:39 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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First time Have ever found the butt hurt crrybaby thread useful.
seriously though ? This website is an invaluable resource for some, I really Don't think asking for your money to advertise is asking too much.
after all you can come here for free anytime and learn the stuff here.
If I ran a site with this much info, I would charge monthly membership and those who don 't pay can't access the forums.
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Re: My name is Richard Fry. I WILL NOT LET YOU RUN A BACKGROUND CHECK! [Re: indocult]
#19297100 - 12/19/13 08:48 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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indocult said: First time Have ever found the butt hurt crrybaby thread useful.
seriously though ? This website is an invaluable resource for some, I really Don't think asking for your money to advertise is asking too much.
it wasn't about the money re-read da thread
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Re: My name is Richard Fry. I WILL NOT LET YOU RUN A BACKGROUND CHECK! [Re: k00laid]
#19297124 - 12/19/13 08:57 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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That's not entirely true. He did complain about the cost of the credit check.
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Re: My name is Richard Fry. I WILL NOT LET YOU RUN A BACKGROUND CHECK! [Re: tjshokk46]
#19309774 - 12/21/13 10:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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tjshokk46 said: OKAY so in my odd 13 years as an internet marketer, I HAVE NEVER HAD ANYONE REQUEST A BACKGROUND CHECK!!!! Not even Google!
What the fuck is this. It's bullshit is what it is!
I'm sorry guys but seriously, I'm not out to fuck anyone over but there is no fucking way I'm going to give some fucking hippies my social security number to run a background check on me to run some mother fucking banner ads!
2 Month wait time!?!?!?
How do you call this "doing business"??
WOULD ANYONE HERE WANT THE SHROOMERY DOING A BACKGROUND CHECK ON THEM?!?!?
It wouldn't prove shit!!!! Most scammers do not have a criminal record!!!!! It does not help anything here to run a BC!!!
This is a bullshit violation of my privacy.
Fuck this site. Only feds would do this.
I have worked with Google, Amazon, Neverblue, MaxBounty, MGCash, Cleanfiles, FileICE and MORE RESPECTABLE advertising networks and have NEVER needed a background check!!! Only my tax forms!!!
This is bullshit and not a good way to do business. Period. I'll be reporting this place to the BBB as well as every [anti]security group I'm affiliated with. This is horrible business.
NO YOU CANNOT RUN A Criminal/Credit Check!!!!!!! WTF?!?!?
How do they do that without your drivers license or SSN anyways?
Honestly, Shroomey is B.S. when it comes to anonymity. I have a feeling they give up any info on anyone at the drop of a hat by the DEA or FBI. In fact the only way to prevent such a divulgence of info is not to store it at all.
And, Shroomery doesn't allow for VPN or Tor , so what does that leave us with?
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Re: My name is Richard Fry. I WILL NOT LET YOU RUN A BACKGROUND CHECK! [Re: teknix]
#19309782 - 12/21/13 10:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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teknix said: And, Shroomery doesn't allow for VPN or Tor , so what does that leave us with?
When did this site turn into Silk Road? Were you planning on conducting illegal drug deals on here? We don't allow that - it's clearly against our rules. So there's no reason to offer a VPN or Tor, ya know? If you want to do illegal drug trades and such, try somewhere else.
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Re: My name is Richard Fry. I WILL NOT LET YOU RUN A BACKGROUND CHECK! [Re: Sell Your Soul]
#19309902 - 12/21/13 11:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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teknix said: And, Shroomery doesn't allow for VPN or Tor , so what does that leave us with?
When did this site turn into Silk Road? Were you planning on conducting illegal drug deals on here? We don't allow that - it's clearly against our rules. So there's no reason to offer a VPN or Tor, ya know? If you want to do illegal drug trades and such, try somewhere else.
Thanks!
Sorry, you made all that up on your own, I just like my freedom.
I can think of a couple good reasons to include anonymity, including people personal safety and defying the cops.
I mean, the shroomery would have to store IP's to determine if someone is logging in on a puppet or not, so you are subject to subpeona of all your data and incriminating evidence (if you have any) on people. The way to get around that is not to store it, like VPN's do.
The thing is that you don't really need to know who I am or anyone else is, what is it of your concern?
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Re: My name is Richard Fry. I WILL NOT LET YOU RUN A BACKGROUND CHECK! [Re: Ythan]
#19309959 - 12/21/13 11:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ythan said: Wow, this is the first time I've ever seen someone throw a shit-fit about the (typically refundable) $50 deposit which we require from all new advertisers.
I don't think it is the deposit he is throwing a shit-fit about, but the lack of concern for the users/vendors privacy.
How did Ralph and Ralphsters get around your process? I know he was security conscious and not very likely to give up personal info.
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Re: My name is Richard Fry. I WILL NOT LET YOU RUN A BACKGROUND CHECK! [Re: teknix]
#19328377 - 12/26/13 11:06 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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teknix said: I can think of a couple good reasons to include anonymity, including people personal safety and defying the cops.
I can only think of two: you have a big mouth, which will relate to your paranoia, which is reason 2.
Growing mushrooms is not illegal. Manufacturing psilocybin and/or psilocin is. If you're paranoid, ask about dung-lovers in general. That's what we should all be doing anyway instead of focusing on one species.
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I mean, the shroomery would have to store IP's to determine if someone is logging in on a puppet or not, so you are subject to subpeona of all your data and incriminating evidence (if you have any) on people. The way to get around that is not to store it, like VPN's do.
The thing is that you don't really need to know who I am or anyone else is, what is it of your concern?
Ever ran a website? Or modded one? You watch how many spammers get onto a site this big and tell me you don't need to monitor who registers. I haven't been a part of anything nearly this big before but that was hard enough. I couldn't even enjoy the forums for all the bullshit.
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Re: My name is Richard Fry. I WILL NOT LET YOU RUN A BACKGROUND CHECK! [Re: 36fuckin5] 5
#19329085 - 12/26/13 02:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't understand how you feel that you have the right to report this site to anybody. Your tantrum is also childish and unbecoming of somebody who claims to be a man of business.
I'm sure you know this already, but there is nothing that forces the shroomery to do business. The same applies the other way. The shroomery cannot force you do business with them. Remember, you are the vendor that wants to sell something through their site. Just because some of the bigger companies can afford to waive these types of procedures and fees does't mean every company will.
Google, amazon, ect... have an extravagant amount of money and resources at their disposal. Besides capital, they have contracts for things such as shipping and data. These are at a considerable discount due to the sheer volume of product that they move on a day-to-day basis.
I will put it in simpler terms for you since you haven't quite understood judging by your childish posts. I walk into a retail store. They have a product that I want at a set price of $400. I want the product at $300, but the store is not obligated to give it to me at this price. Sure, they would probably sell many more units at the cost of $300, but they choose not to. Since I am not happy about it, I am also not obligated to purchase it at the $400 price point just because I am in their store. I don't like it, so I shop somewhere else.
Since you are a supposedly well known marketer, I'm sure you already know the basics of what it means to offer a service. If agreeable terms are not met, one side or both sides have the right to decline a business deal. You don't like the terms of the deal, and that is completely understandable if you can get what you want from someplace else, but you have the right to not apply and not do business. Shroomery has this very same right, and I'm sure after your threats and insults, they will probably deny your application.
Quit wasting your time and their time. Find somebody else to host your services Richard Fry.
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Re: My name is Richard Fry. I WILL NOT LET YOU RUN A BACKGROUND CHECK! [Re: Cheezymold] 3
#19330677 - 12/26/13 09:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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The threat to report the shroomery to the BBB is what tipped me off and angered me. I work for a major tech company and the only people that ever threaten to report us to the BBB (we have an A+ rating), are self-entitled scumbags who think the world revolves around them and they always get what they want, when they want.. their way OR ELSE. OR it's just straight up scammers who weren't able to pull a fast one on us so they make a false report. They want us to bend policy and make special exceptions for them that we don't for anyone. People like making such threats to try and get their way. Unfortunately for them, it never works out the way they demand and their false BBB reports get shitcanned. We are world renowned for having the best customer support in the industry and we will bend over backwards to help our customers in 99% of situations. It's when you start yelling and making threats and demanding we change our policy just for YOU, that we put up the brick wall.
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Re: My name is Richard Fry. I WILL NOT LET YOU RUN A BACKGROUND CHECK! [Re: Ythan] 6
#19331415 - 12/27/13 01:27 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Ythan said: Wow, this is the first time I've ever seen someone throw a shit-fit about the (typically refundable) $50 deposit which we require from all new advertisers. The only time you wouldn't get your $50 back is if we decline your sponsor application, in which case we'd be turning down at least a guaranteed $150/month in recurring banner payments. If that's a scam it must be the most ill-conceived, short-sighted scam of all time. 
We used to use https://www.1-background-checks.com/ but I'm not sure if we still do since they don't cover Canada. You could PM geokills and ask; he's the one who takes care of vendor applications. Also, if you have a recommendation for a cheaper company to run credit and background checks, I'm sure he'd want to know.
In the distant past we've had some shady sponsors who disappeared without fulfilling all their orders. So, now we only approve sponsors who we personally stand behind and vouch for, and we drop sponsors if they no longer meet our standards. Obviously, we can't vouch for someone unless we've had time to review their business practices and verify that they don't have a history of related criminal activity. We have no interest in things like old DUIs, possession charges, probation violations, or anything which doesn't have a bearing on an individual's ability to conduct honest business. However, if someone wants to advertise with us but is currently in massive debt and has a recent history of theft or fraud, that raises a ton of red flags and we would probably decline to process their application further. We also need time to collect candid customer testimonials and place secret shopper orders in some cases to ensure that a new advertiser is a good fit.
I like this policy. I think it's the right thing to do and it's good for everyone. Our members know they can order from a Shroomery sponsor and they don't have to worry about getting ripped off. Our sponsors receive more business because prospective customers know they've been carefully vetted and shown to be trustworthy. And we protect the site's reputation, and increase the value of banner space on the Shroomery because all ads come with our implicit endorsement. The only people who don't benefit are scam artists who would hope to make a quick buck off our members. Or advertisers who don't care about having a "relationship" with the site and just want to get started right away with minimal expense, but we have classified ads for that.
I'm sorry you don't feel like the Shroomery is a good fit for your needs, but it sounds like you have lots of experience with ad buys so you shouldn't have any trouble finding other sites with terms more to your liking. I wish you the best of luck in your endeavors and I apologize if you feel like you wasted your time here!
I love Ythan's calm tone. It's so effortless and embarrasses people to the point of not even wanting to return and post to their own shit-flinging fiesta.
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Re: My name is Richard Fry. I WILL NOT LET YOU RUN A BACKGROUND CHECK! [Re: SOLID BASTARD]
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he does flame with class.
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