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exactly., its fluff.
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Re: Love is an Illusion [Re: hTx]
#19281753 - 12/15/13 11:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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if you want to talk about love as meaning you should describe it in relation to other things that have meaning, if you want to talk about it as a word you should be describing how it behaves linguistically
you are taking a linguistic unit out of the context it is used in and concluding it is useless.. it's like taking a tire off a car and then concluding it's only good for a swing
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Re: Love is an Illusion [Re: quinn]
#19282854 - 12/16/13 08:56 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's possible to love someone for reasons that have no personal gain other than enjoyment of expression. It's not unconditional because things change, but there is a certain level of reliability to it when we accept people for what they are (what you see is what you get) rather than projecting ones ideas onto someone else.
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Re: Love is an Illusion [Re: Rahz]
#19283235 - 12/16/13 10:49 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Dont you agree though that for the most part we have a hard enough time accepting ourselves as we are let alone others?
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Re: Love is an Illusion [Re: Kickle]
#19283705 - 12/16/13 12:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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After you've lived long enough and have seen how expectations can make things worse it becomes a bit easier to loosen up about it... though it's not something whose fundamental existence is dependent on a resolution. I suspect it's a fundamental part of the human experience whether we pause to be aware of it or not.
This would make 'lack of love' the illusion. Self acceptance sure, but there's also self exploration. What's it like to be unloved? What's it like to reject someone? To be rejected? People often feel a need to know these things. We can blame it on the past, but how far back does that go? People want to understand their potential and they generally have to get their hands dirty to do so.
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Re: Love is an Illusion [Re: Rahz]
#19283889 - 12/16/13 01:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think we can blame it on death and survival personally. We have a very hard time accepting threatening/traumatizing stimuli, regardless of source. And it is nigh impossible for another person not to be threatening to us in some way at some point. That's a real hurdle to acceptance of anyone including ourselves if you ask me.
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Re: Love is an Illusion [Re: Kickle]
#19284047 - 12/16/13 01:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Love IS an illusion..... But only when it is on a conditional level.
Love IS real..... But only when it is on an unconditional level.
Maybe unconditional love lays deep within the soul. And once we are able to truly, unconditionally, love our selves.... Can we truly, and unconditionally, love the world outside ourselves.
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I think we get to live with both. They're not directly related so one doesn't exactly replace the other.
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Quote:
JadedMycology said: Love IS an illusion..... But only when it is on a conditional level. Love IS real..... But only when it is on an unconditional level.
Maybe unconditional love lays deep within the soul. And once we are able to truly, unconditionally, love our selves.... Can we truly, and unconditionally, love the world outside ourselves.
Sounds like you plagiarized random hindu cult #368 section B/12
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everything's just a word so that's not saying very much
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Re: Love is an Illusion [Re: Kickle]
#19284380 - 12/16/13 02:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Kickle said: I think we can blame it on death and survival personally. We have a very hard time accepting threatening/traumatizing stimuli, regardless of source. And it is nigh impossible for another person not to be threatening to us in some way at some point. That's a real hurdle to acceptance of anyone including ourselves if you ask me.
which kind of personal qualities do you think are more likely to cause suffering to maintain? maybe thoughts that distance us from others.. the desire for or assumption of something that is unattainable (for example if you clung to the romantic ideal of love as something to save you from your life).. hmm yep i seem to do that kinda stuff a bunch.. reflecting on and identifying with suffering is probably another.. 'i must suffer because all great people suffered'
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Re: Love is an Illusion [Re: quinn]
#19284462 - 12/16/13 03:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Huh??
I wrote the thoughts that I had on this matter. No plagiarism.
But...uhm.... I guess I will just take it as a compliment?
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Re: Love is an Illusion [Re: hTx]
#19284471 - 12/16/13 03:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Love seems to be a biological function to keep individuals grouping together. Its properties of caring and feeding can be seen in almost every mammal. Real enough for me.
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JadedMycology said: Love IS an illusion..... But only when it is on a conditional level.
Love IS real..... But only when it is on an unconditional level.
Maybe unconditional love lays deep within the soul. And once we are able to truly, unconditionally, love our selves.... Can we truly, and unconditionally, love the world outside ourselves.
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Re: Love is an Illusion [Re: quinn]
#19284661 - 12/16/13 03:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Kickle said: I think we can blame it on death and survival personally. We have a very hard time accepting threatening/traumatizing stimuli, regardless of source. And it is nigh impossible for another person not to be threatening to us in some way at some point. That's a real hurdle to acceptance of anyone including ourselves if you ask me.
which kind of personal qualities do you think are more likely to cause suffering to maintain? maybe thoughts that distance us from others.. the desire for or assumption of something that is unattainable (for example if you clung to the romantic ideal of love as something to save you from your life).. hmm yep i seem to do that kinda stuff a bunch.. reflecting on and identifying with suffering is probably another.. 'i must suffer because all great people suffered'
I'd say personal honesty seems to be difficult to maintain when not dressed up. As far as I can tell each of us can be pressed into a mental/emotional corner in which we are very uncomfortable just through the inability to hide from an undesirable truth about ourselves. And the longer we are able to bury it, hide it, mask it... the more it bites us in the ass. In my experience anywho.
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JadedMycology said: Love IS an illusion..... But only when it is on a conditional level.
Love IS real..... But only when it is on an unconditional level.
Maybe unconditional love lays deep within the soul. And once we are able to truly, unconditionally, love our selves.... Can we truly, and unconditionally, love the world outside ourselves.
Not a chance.
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Re: Love is an Illusion [Re: Kickle]
#19285495 - 12/16/13 07:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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it's weird that being pressed can be a good thing and also something to avoid at all costs.. i find the first sentence a bit confusing as it seems to imply effectively maintaining personal honesty requires a degree of 'dressing it up' or deception
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#19285544 - 12/16/13 07:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Freud felt that creative expression was the best "dress" that could be given to the harshness of life. Humor came in second. These were his ideals for healthy coping. If you don't turn the harshness of life into something else, or laugh about it, its a real bummer to be honest about.
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#19285681 - 12/16/13 07:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm into the humor thang.
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Re: Love is an Illusion [Re: Kickle]
#19285781 - 12/16/13 08:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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cool i didn't know he said that. it rings pretty true... i was also thinking how some people present very differently to their more personal selves.. like how icelander is just a big ol cuddly bear deep down
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