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Does the mob really do stuff like "if you don't gimma back my 50k by thursday, you're dead"?
    #19284938 - 12/16/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Cause I mean, it's pretty much a good way to lose 50k, having to kill a guy, clean up, dispose of the body and not get caught. Which is a serious pain in the ass.

Kind of a stupid way to do business when you think about it.

Don't they have payment plans and shit?

How does the mob collect?


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Re: Does the mob really do stuff like "if you don't gimma back my 50k by thursday, you're dead" [Re: Patlal]
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Re: Does the mob really do stuff like "if you don't gimma back my 50k by thursday, you're dead" [Re: Patlal]
    #19284943 - 12/16/13 04:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

A dead man can't pay you back.


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Re: Does the mob really do stuff like "if you don't gimma back my 50k by thursday, you're dead" [Re: Patlal]
    #19284945 - 12/16/13 04:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

They would probably kill family members first.


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Re: Does the mob really do stuff like "if you don't gimma back my 50k by thursday, you're dead" [Re: Inconspicuous]
    #19284956 - 12/16/13 04:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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They would probably kill family members first.




What if you truely have nothing to lose?


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Re: Does the mob really do stuff like "if you don't gimma back my 50k by thursday, you're dead" [Re: Inconspicuous]
    #19284958 - 12/16/13 04:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I dunno if they'd do it to every person, but they gotta make an example of someone or no one would take them seriously, so yeah I'd suspect they do say stuff like that (and follow through) sometimes.


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Re: Does the mob really do stuff like "if you don't gimma back my 50k by thursday, you're dead" [Re: Patlal]
    #19284963 - 12/16/13 04:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Never made much sense to me either. i guess it's a good way to get money out of people who have it, but only if you know they will follow through on your threat. But if you don't have the money, and you kill they guy, he will never pay you back. Maybe they just like killing people.

Breaking some legs seems like it would be more effective.


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Re: Does the mob really do stuff like "if you don't gimma back my 50k by thursday, you're dead" [Re: Patlal]
    #19284966 - 12/16/13 04:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I thought I was the only one who thought of questions like these.


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Re: Does the mob really do stuff like "if you don't gimma back my 50k by thursday, you're dead" [Re: koods] * 7
    #19284967 - 12/16/13 04:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'm guessing OP owes 50k to the mob by Thursday.


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Re: Does the mob really do stuff like "if you don't gimma back my 50k by thursday, you're dead" [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #19284970 - 12/16/13 04:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I think there's an element of truth to it, I mean they ARE hardened criminals but a lot of it is over exemplified by Hollywood and cable television.


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Re: Does the mob really do stuff like "if you don't gimma back my 50k by thursday, you're dead" [Re: koods] * 1
    #19284973 - 12/16/13 04:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm guessing OP owes 50k to the mob by Thursday.



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Re: Does the mob really do stuff like "if you don't gimma back my 50k by thursday, you're dead" [Re: Shroomslip]
    #19284983 - 12/16/13 04:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It's a strong arm tactic.
They instill fear in you and then down the road threaten you.
You play into the fear and end up paying them back.
They surely will break your legs and threaten to harm your family.
Loan sharking is a common practice but most people pay out.
The Mob/mafia tend to only really kill as pay back for snitching or to take a position of power.
The NY metro area is swarming with Irish and Italian gangsters


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Re: Does the mob really do stuff like "if you don't gimma back my 50k by thursday, you're dead" [Re: schwarg]
    #19284990 - 12/16/13 04:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Maybe they do it to a guy that owes them 10k, a relitively low amount to lose to show the example to those who owe more? Then again, still, killing them = losing money


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Re: Does the mob really do stuff like "if you don't gimma back my 50k by thursday, you're dead" [Re: Patlal]
    #19284999 - 12/16/13 04:58 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

And organized crime gains a majority of their money now from infiltrating Company's and Unions and skimming disability and pension funds along with selling illegal guns and drugs.


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Re: Does the mob really do stuff like "if you don't gimma back my 50k by thursday, you're dead" [Re: T-Rex]
    #19285074 - 12/16/13 05:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i might interpret it as symbolism for hollywood's sake.

i would imagine the mob doing all sorts of stuff like, making sure a guy never gets a job.  paying people to hang out around a guy and offer to sell him bad/cyut drugs n stuff.  get a gay guy to hang around him and turn him gay.  spread rumors about the guy and make sure he never gets laid.  pay hookers to hang around the guy and sleep with him and give him an STD.

all sorts of stuff...  i get paranoid though, and think about this stuff happening to me all the time, lolol


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Re: Does the mob really do stuff like "if you don't gimma back my 50k by thursday, you're dead" [Re: stimpson]
    #19285121 - 12/16/13 05:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I imagine it's more difficult to get a loan from sharks than just asking for it.  Movies make it look easy to get under with unlikeable types but I feel like anyone in that business worth their salt wouldn't lend to someone who couldn't pay it back in some fashion.


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Re: Does the mob really do stuff like "if you don't gimma back my 50k by thursday, you're dead" [Re: unam sanctum]
    #19285135 - 12/16/13 05:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Usually you'd have to some how be affiliated with those type of individuals to acquire a loan.
And they don't just hand out a loan for say a car, but things such as business capital that way they can be sure to reap the profits in order to be paid back or they'll jewish lightning the place.


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Re: Does the mob really do stuff like "if you don't gimma back my 50k by thursday, you're dead" [Re: T-Rex]
    #19285139 - 12/16/13 05:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'm sure they check your finance for some collateral or something.


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Re: Does the mob really do stuff like "if you don't gimma back my 50k by thursday, you're dead" [Re: Patlal]
    #19285208 - 12/16/13 05:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Basically people just ask for a loan for their drugs to sell. If they get stolen the gang does something else for you to repay their debt. Like talk to crazy people or try to sell in enemy turf. If you've seen the millers then you've seen how some can get stuck trafficking drugs across borders


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Re: Does the mob really do stuff like "if you don't gimma back my 50k by thursday, you're dead" [Re: Mad Season]
    #19285861 - 12/16/13 08:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You would lose power in what you say.
For exmaple, if you said you were going to kill "Bob" if he didn't have the money by a week and he ended up not having it. People wouldn't think you meant business if you let him go or gave him another week.


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Re: Does the mob really do stuff like "if you don't gimma back my 50k by thursday, you're dead" [Re: SkeletalSpore]
    #19285915 - 12/16/13 08:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

in gohmorrah the italian mob would pretty much sell drugs and acquire shit tons of weapons
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Re: Does the mob really do stuff like "if you don't gimma back my 50k by thursday, you're dead" [Re: Konyap]
    #19286012 - 12/16/13 09:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

You know they can do other things besides kill you.
They could beat the shit out of you, trash your place, etc... I think killing would be more for snitching and shit.


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Re: Does the mob really do stuff like "if you don't gimma back my 50k by thursday, you're dead" [Re: huffinglue]
    #19286056 - 12/16/13 09:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm sure they check your finance for some collateral or something.



I am sure they would take your fiance' for collateral.


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Re: Does the mob really do stuff like "if you don't gimma back my 50k by thursday, you're dead" [Re: Rockhound]
    #19287558 - 12/17/13 08:22 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Patlal said:
I'm sure they check your finance for some collateral or something.



I am sure they would take your fiance' for collateral.




How is that gonna pay them back?


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Re: Does the mob really do stuff like "if you don't gimma back my 50k by thursday, you're dead"? [Re: Patlal]
    #19287568 - 12/17/13 08:23 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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having to kill a guy,




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Re: Does the mob really do stuff like "if you don't gimma back my 50k by thursday, you're dead" [Re: unam sanctum]
    #19287614 - 12/17/13 08:44 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I imagine it's more difficult to get a loan from sharks than just asking for it. 





this.

they wont loan the cash unless they know you are capable of repaying to begin
with, like a payday loan only more serious because they'll burn your house or
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Re: Does the mob really do stuff like "if you don't gimma back my 50k by thursday, you're dead" [Re: koods]
    #19287616 - 12/17/13 08:46 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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You would lose power in what you say.
For exmaple, if you said you were going to kill "Bob" if he didn't have the money by a week and he ended up not having it. People wouldn't think you meant business if you let him go or gave him another week.



Except I don't think loan sharks go "Okay, here's 50k, if you don't have the money by this deadline, we're going to kill you."

They just keep racking up interest and beat the shit out of you periodically.

I'm sure they usually just beat people and shit like that, but...
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koods said: But if you don't have the money, and you kill they guy, he will never pay you back.



This is probably the point. If you don't have the money and they let you live they're still not gonna get the money. They probably assess what the fuck is going on and kill someone when they realize they're not getting money either way. Gotta make people pay their debts somehow, fear is a large part of that.

50k is a lot of fucking money to borrow though.


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Re: Does the mob really do stuff like "if you don't gimma back my 50k by thursday, you're dead" [Re: jewunit]
    #19287783 - 12/17/13 09:48 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

If the version on e.g. The Sopranos where you're paying some high rate of interest calculated weekly is remotely accurate, it wouldn't take too long before you had paid back more than the original balance and still owed money. If that's the situation and you are known to be totally broke, killing you would set an example for other debtors. I have no idea how closely any of that tv stuff matches up with reality though.


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Re: Does the mob really do stuff like "if you don't gimma back my 50k by thursday, you're dead" [Re: psi]
    #19287801 - 12/17/13 09:51 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

one of my uncles got mixed up with the mob/mafia and they forced him to burn down a house or sumthin like that. thats all i really know about the story. but if he did it, it musta been serious


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Re: Does the mob really do stuff like "if you don't gimma back my 50k by thursday, you're dead" [Re: Bassfreak]
    #19287822 - 12/17/13 09:57 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

whoever decides to take out a loan from the mafia, should know what they're getting themselves into, obviously. usually it's deluded gambling addicts who borrow money from the mafia i think. though i have no idea why the mob would loan money to a gambling addict, that would make the mob just as deluded


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Re: Does the mob really do stuff like "if you don't gimma back my 50k by thursday, you're dead" [Re: Envix]
    #19287954 - 12/17/13 10:42 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The mob just does what the oil, agriculture, pharma, gaming, and chemical companies do today....buy some politicians to agree to push through projects that they have vested interests in. It is called American business and for the most part, legal.

They make a shit ton more money now using this formula than many of the old, sloppy ways.


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Re: Does the mob really do stuff like "if you don't gimma back my 50k by thursday, you're dead" [Re: Envix]
    #19288053 - 12/17/13 11:07 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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whoever decides to take out a loan from the mafia, should know what they're getting themselves into, obviously. usually it's deluded gambling addicts who borrow money from the mafia i think. though i have no idea why the mob would loan money to a gambling addict, that would make the mob just as deluded



no, the mafia does not loan to people unless there is some sort of gauranteed return on their investment. loans are generally only given for businesses.

i was in rehab with a mafia guy and he didn't talk much about their practice, but what i can tell you is that these guys are not the kind of gangsters that americans have been accustomed to thinking about. they are smart. his wife is on miami city council


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Re: Does the mob really do stuff like "if you don't gimma back my 50k by thursday, you're dead" [Re: morrowasted]
    #19288080 - 12/17/13 11:14 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Somewhat related:

I work for the Teamsters Union which I think has mob ties and Jimmy Hoffa and shit like that.  I woke up like 20 minutes ago and had some crazy dreams last night and this wasn't one of them but matter of fact I had this dream like 3 or 4 days ago and this thread inspired me to post about it.

So I had this random dream a few days ago that in this big hub where I work there was this little area in the middle you weren't supposed to go in but I wandered in there one day anyway and then when I got in there they had all this crazy shit but then they beat me up and "escorted" me out of the area (this was just an area that was a part of the building I worked in every day..) and then when I got to the entrance/exit there was some old guy sitting on a fold-out chair sitting on the outside of the entrance/exit and he simply looked at me and said "never go back in there."

So I took his advice and left lol.  Strange fucking dream.  And I don't know what triggered that, it wasn't this thread because the dream happened first.  Usually I don't think or concern myself with that shit too often really.  Huh.


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Re: Does the mob really do stuff like "if you don't gimma back my 50k by thursday, you're dead"? [Re: Patlal]
    #19288090 - 12/17/13 11:16 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I dunno if they still do, but they used to have loan shark operations. They've moved up into stuff like Casinos and labor unions which are no doubt more lucrative and with less risk.


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Re: Does the mob really do stuff like "if you don't gimma back my 50k by thursday, you're dead" [Re: morrowasted]
    #19288091 - 12/17/13 11:16 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

If you didn't pay by Thursday, I wouldn't be to concerned about your own wellbeing, but of those you love and care about most. Dead men can't pay you back.


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Re: Does the mob really do stuff like "if you don't gimma back my 50k by thursday, you're dead" [Re: MinnesnowtaNice]
    #19288455 - 12/17/13 12:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

It is a basic extortion technique.  Unless you have really pissed them off, or they see that they will never get their money back(which would be unlikely to have loaned that person to begin with), they threaten to kill, and instead use other means to scare you.  They will harm you without a doubt, maybe your family or friends.  Luckily, mobs from places like Europe are not too violent.  I would be scared of Vietnamese though.  They wont just beat your relatives up, they will cut them into pieces and make you watch.  I am fortunate to have disconnected myself from the dangerous side of my family.  I have a lot of crazy stories to tell from my teen years though :eek:


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Re: Does the mob really do stuff like "if you don't gimma back my 50k by thursday, you're dead" [Re: Cheezymold]
    #19288549 - 12/17/13 01:08 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I know in the UK if there is a guy that has a big debt to the mob over there and he wont pay it back after they beat his ass over and over.
They send big guys over to rape you and take pictures while they do it.  Then after they blackmail you with the photos until you pay. :yeahthatsright:


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Re: Does the mob really do stuff like "if you don't gimma back my 50k by thursday, you're dead" [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #19288582 - 12/17/13 01:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I thought that was shit only loan sharks did before the 1980's? Now there are a lot of laws against loan sharking. Loan sharks aren't even allowed to call you between 10pm and 7am anymore for instance. They aren't allowed to even use threatening language anymore either.


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Re: Does the mob really do stuff like "if you don't gimma back my 50k by thursday, you're dead" [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #19289189 - 12/17/13 03:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I thought that was shit only loan sharks did before the 1980's? Now there are a lot of laws against loan sharking. Loan sharks aren't even allowed to call you between 10pm and 7am anymore for instance. They aren't allowed to even use threatening language anymore either.



This thread obviously  is not about loan sharks who operate within the parameters of the law  :rofl:


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Re: Does the mob really do stuff like "if you don't gimma back my 50k by thursday, you're dead" [Re: morrowasted] * 2
    #19289382 - 12/17/13 04:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I thought that was shit only loan sharks did before the 1980's? Now there are a lot of laws against loan sharking. Loan sharks aren't even allowed to call you between 10pm and 7am anymore for instance. They aren't allowed to even use threatening language anymore either.



This thread obviously  is not about loan sharks who operate within the parameters of the law  :rofl:





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Don't mess with us, or we'll repo your new BBQ Grill eh


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Re: Does the mob really do stuff like "if you don't gimma back my 50k by thursday, you're dead"? [Re: Patlal]
    #19289758 - 12/17/13 05:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Cause I mean, it's pretty much a good way to lose 50k, having to kill a guy, clean up, dispose of the body and not get caught. Which is a serious pain in the ass.

Kind of a stupid way to do business when you think about it.

Don't they have payment plans and shit?

How does the mob collect?





I heard an interview with Norm Macdonald, who was/maybe still is a hardcore card player, and he said that getting killed over owing bookies and other people money was just a myth for the reason you said: you can't get money out of a dead guy.  He said they'll hurt you, but won't kill you.


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Re: Does the mob really do stuff like "if you don't gimma back my 50k by thursday, you're dead" [Re: Patlal]
    #19289766 - 12/17/13 05:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm sure they check your finance for some collateral or something.



I am sure they would take your fiance' for collateral.




How is that gonna pay them back?





Prostitute her out until she makes the 50 grand.


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Re: Does the mob really do stuff like "if you don't gimma back my 50k by thursday, you're dead" [Re: Enjoywho]
    #19289806 - 12/17/13 05:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I'm sure they check your finance for some collateral or something.



I am sure they would take your fiance' for collateral.




How is that gonna pay them back?





Prostitute her out until she makes the 50 grand.




What's stopping her from talking to the cops?


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Re: Does the mob really do stuff like "if you don't gimma back my 50k by thursday, you're dead" [Re: Crystal G]
    #19290897 - 12/17/13 10:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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I thought that was shit only loan sharks did before the 1980's? Now there are a lot of laws against loan sharking. Loan sharks aren't even allowed to call you between 10pm and 7am anymore for instance. They aren't allowed to even use threatening language anymore either.





no, you're thinking of debt collectors and lenders


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Re: Does the mob really do stuff like "if you don't gimma back my 50k by thursday, you're dead" [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19290912 - 12/17/13 10:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

my dad told me a story about how he had to move to florida in the 70's when he met his first wife because her step dad was a hit man for the mob and one day my dad had brought his daughter(she was like 17) home late and her dad never liked my dad ever since, and it got so bad to the point that he had to move to florida for about 2 years, dude eventually ended up dying so my dad and his wife came back.


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Re: Does the mob really do stuff like "if you don't gimma back my 50k by thursday, you're dead" [Re: lunarpiscean]
    #19290926 - 12/17/13 10:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Why the fuck wouldn't you pay the mob back anyway.


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Re: Does the mob really do stuff like "if you don't gimma back my 50k by thursday, you're dead" [Re: lunarpiscean]
    #19290928 - 12/17/13 10:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

the secret is to hit the hitter


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Re: Does the mob really do stuff like "if you don't gimma back my 50k by thursday, you're dead"? [Re: Patlal]
    #19290931 - 12/17/13 10:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Cause I mean, it's pretty much a good way to lose 50k, having to kill a guy, clean up, dispose of the body and not get caught. Which is a serious pain in the ass.

Kind of a stupid way to do business when you think about it.

Don't they have payment plans and shit?

How does the mob collect?




It's not a stupid plan in the long run when other people know not to make the same mistake...

kind of goes without saying.


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Re: Does the mob really do stuff like "if you don't gimma back my 50k by thursday, you're dead" [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19290935 - 12/17/13 10:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

my dad actually got his job through the mob, he told me every paycheck they would get a little percentage out of it for getting him the job and apparently that's extremely illegal.


but i dont know really know.


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Re: Does the mob really do stuff like "if you don't gimma back my 50k by thursday, you're dead" [Re: lunarpiscean]
    #19293353 - 12/18/13 01:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Loan snarling had always been very illegal brotherman


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