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MotherNaturesSon
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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: RiparianZoneJunky]
#19284279 - 12/16/13 02:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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MotherNaturesSon said: Takes practise to let go completely. We get comfortable with a certain threshold and let go easily as long as we are still in that comfort zone. Once you get blasted out to a place you haven't been before- it's just best to try as hard as you can and keep diffusing various mind-mines before things get nasty over time- you learn to let go even in the most intense experience. Personally, I have taken about 7 grams at most. It was so intense that I couldn't even choose to let go- I was just ripped from whatever I was holding onto and it happened so fast that I didn't even get to feel the anxiety and fear. I'm very sensitive to drugs. I noticed I usually have double effects from average doses when compared to other people. So you might as well say I took about 14 grams I don't even remember the experience that much anymore. Just some highlights
But I've found that I enjoy small doses most because that has allowed me to virtually eliminate the dose-related anxiety. Not because I don't trip as hard- I actually trip very hard. The funny thing I've found in my own experience with psychedelics is that you don't have to train to attain a mind that can live through an intense level 5 trip. There's a much more subtle way of reaching level 5 (the so called 'enlightenment experience'). I think that you just need a LOT of the drug to experience it is a misconception. Yes, you're dragged deeper- but your mind isn't necessarily ready to function on that intensity. That's when things get nasty. I have been experimenting with small doses and came to a delightful conclusion:
You can learn to trip. But not in the sense of "letting go" when things get rough (that's more a coping technique for specific trip situation) or set and setting (more of optimising vibes)- no no no. Rather on a much more subtle level. All you really need is a small dose and try to sort of "sink" into the experience via various thought patterns, meditation sessions, concentration exercises. You sort of have to become sensitive to the flow of the experience. It's hard to put into words and of course, one has to have experienced and become familiar with how the depths of a psychedelic experience can be. But there's a way to get so deep into the experience without monstrous doses that you actually start tripping very hard and yes, you can reach level 5 that way. And it becomes an incredibly serene experience.
The hallucination are different in such experiences as well. Most people only tend to value full blown hallucination that seem separate from this world or too obscurely connected for us to notice, when I'm much more intrigued and delighted by the subtle visual hallucination of shifting perspective, change in detail, beginning to see patterns and compositions in ordinary things. At some point you become so sensitive to psychedelics that you only need a very very small dose and you will have a completely normal trip but the best part is- it is completely non-overwhelming, safe, serene and beautiful.
So do NOT overestimate the power of dose and underestimate the power of yourself. By all means, learning to dose right, how to behave in certain unexpected trip-situations, how to make your surroundings safer and pleasant. But the most important part is learning how to ride that psychedelic wave, how to enhance your senses to the experience. If you do that- you'll virtually never have to deal with the anxiety again. In my own case- I am an anxious person. I can't get around that. I just tend to worry much. And people say that if you're kinda of a worrier and you're in a rough patch in life- don't trip. I say on the contrary! Take a small dose, lay on your couch and ride it some of my best trips where like that.
 Great post, the older I get the lower the dose I need to take to get to those transcendent moments, it really is about learning how to explore the mind while on psychedelics, and not so much the taking of obscene doses. 

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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: MotherNaturesSon]
#19284768 - 12/16/13 04:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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MotherNaturesSon said: Takes practise to let go completely. We get comfortable with a certain threshold and let go easily as long as we are still in that comfort zone. Once you get blasted out to a place you haven't been before- it's just best to try as hard as you can and keep diffusing various mind-mines before things get nasty over time- you learn to let go even in the most intense experience. Personally, I have taken about 7 grams at most. It was so intense that I couldn't even choose to let go- I was just ripped from whatever I was holding onto and it happened so fast that I didn't even get to feel the anxiety and fear. I'm very sensitive to drugs. I noticed I usually have double effects from average doses when compared to other people. So you might as well say I took about 14 grams I don't even remember the experience that much anymore. Just some highlights
But I've found that I enjoy small doses most because that has allowed me to virtually eliminate the dose-related anxiety. Not because I don't trip as hard- I actually trip very hard. The funny thing I've found in my own experience with psychedelics is that you don't have to train to attain a mind that can live through an intense level 5 trip. There's a much more subtle way of reaching level 5 (the so called 'enlightenment experience'). I think that you just need a LOT of the drug to experience it is a misconception. Yes, you're dragged deeper- but your mind isn't necessarily ready to function on that intensity. That's when things get nasty. I have been experimenting with small doses and came to a delightful conclusion:
You can learn to trip. But not in the sense of "letting go" when things get rough (that's more a coping technique for specific trip situation) or set and setting (more of optimising vibes)- no no no. Rather on a much more subtle level. All you really need is a small dose and try to sort of "sink" into the experience via various thought patterns, meditation sessions, concentration exercises. You sort of have to become sensitive to the flow of the experience. It's hard to put into words and of course, one has to have experienced and become familiar with how the depths of a psychedelic experience can be. But there's a way to get so deep into the experience without monstrous doses that you actually start tripping very hard and yes, you can reach level 5 that way. And it becomes an incredibly serene experience.
The hallucination are different in such experiences as well. Most people only tend to value full blown hallucination that seem separate from this world or too obscurely connected for us to notice, when I'm much more intrigued and delighted by the subtle visual hallucination of shifting perspective, change in detail, beginning to see patterns and compositions in ordinary things. At some point you become so sensitive to psychedelics that you only need a very very small dose and you will have a completely normal trip but the best part is- it is completely non-overwhelming, safe, serene and beautiful.
So do NOT overestimate the power of dose and underestimate the power of yourself. By all means, learning to dose right, how to behave in certain unexpected trip-situations, how to make your surroundings safer and pleasant. But the most important part is learning how to ride that psychedelic wave, how to enhance your senses to the experience. If you do that- you'll virtually never have to deal with the anxiety again. In my own case- I am an anxious person. I can't get around that. I just tend to worry much. And people say that if you're kinda of a worrier and you're in a rough patch in life- don't trip. I say on the contrary! Take a small dose, lay on your couch and ride it some of my best trips where like that.
 Great post, the older I get the lower the dose I need to take to get to those transcendent moments, it really is about learning how to explore the mind while on psychedelics, and not so much the taking of obscene doses. 


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Re: How do you guys handle anxiety while heavy tripping [Re: MotherNaturesSon]
#19284785 - 12/16/13 04:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wow guys these all are some good responses....This is the kind of info I was looking for. I kinda though I needed to take the "heroic" dose to get the full experience of ego death,enlightenment, ect... Maybe i was looking at this a little to much in a simplistic way. I was in the mindset of taking a huge dose to reach that place. Maybe i just need a nudge from the psilo and shut up and listen to what its saying a little more. As far as the benzos go im not really into that. Not against it, just not for me. I like to heighten not drown my senses. Ive taken that huge dose and road it out, never thought I cant do this. Just a little rocky...peace
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