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Re: Michio Kaku [Re: robbyberto]
    #19281302 - 12/15/13 09:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Saying might or might not is entirely redundant, fuckstick.



You trying to prove your worth to me is even more so. Why are you so bothered by someone you deem less intelligent?


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Re: Michio Kaku [Re: The_Ghost]
    #19281310 - 12/15/13 09:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Whatever imma eat hotpckets son.


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Re: Michio Kaku [Re: robbyberto] * 1
    #19281325 - 12/15/13 09:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

There's probably 10 to 15 regular posters here on the shroomery that would give him a run for his money. He ain't no great shakes. You'd be surprised how far self promotion will carry you. :shrug:


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Re: Michio Kaku [Re: r00tuuu123]
    #19281331 - 12/15/13 09:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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There's probably 10 to 15 regular posters here on the shroomery that would give him a run for his money. He ain't no great shakes. You'd be surprised how far self promotion will carry you. :shrug:



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Re: Michio Kaku [Re: r00tuuu123]
    #19281334 - 12/15/13 09:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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There's probably 10 to 15 regular posters here on the shroomery that would give him a run for his money. He ain't no great shakes. You'd be surprised how far self promotion will carry you. :shrug:




Yeah, no. I really doubt that many posters have graduated with a degree from Harvard uni.


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Re: Michio Kaku [Re: Viveka]
    #19281459 - 12/15/13 09:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Holy crap this Kaku guy is a dipshit. Schrodinger's Cat was a critical thought experiment designed to show that the Copenhagen school of quantum mechanics has problems describing classical states. Here he's going on about a dichotomy concerning God vs dinosaur wavefunctions happening in the room. Schrodinger could have put a dinosaur in the box instead and the point still would have been lost on Kaku apparently.

Fuck this guy seriously. He's doing the public a major disservice. He should go join the Ramtha cult.




I don't think you're the one that understands. Kaku brought up the Many Worlds interpretation as an alternative solution to the Schrodinger's Cat paradox. That interpretation states that at each event, each possibility occurs, causing a rift between worlds. That is, when an observer opens the box, in one world he sees the cat dead and in the other he sees the cat alive.

That is why Kaku says there are dinosaur wavefunctions in the room because everything is happening simultaneously, they just occur in different "worlds." So in one world, the dinosaurs did not go extinct, etc.


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Re: Michio Kaku [Re: robbyberto] * 1
    #19281507 - 12/15/13 09:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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There's probably 10 to 15 regular posters here on the shroomery that would give him a run for his money. He ain't no great shakes. You'd be surprised how far self promotion will carry you. :shrug:




Yeah, no. I really doubt that many posters have graduated with a degree from Harvard uni.


Well that really don't mean all that much there's more than one way to learn. Where's his degree from the school of hard knocks. Are we supposed to wet our pants over his harvard degree and the patches on the sleeves of his tweed jacket and his hipster semi long grey hair. I'm not saying the guy ain't smart but he is definitely not the be all and end all.


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Re: Michio Kaku [Re: ohcrapitsnico]
    #19281540 - 12/15/13 10:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Holy crap this Kaku guy is a dipshit. Schrodinger's Cat was a critical thought experiment designed to show that the Copenhagen school of quantum mechanics has problems describing classical states. Here he's going on about a dichotomy concerning God vs dinosaur wavefunctions happening in the room. Schrodinger could have put a dinosaur in the box instead and the point still would have been lost on Kaku apparently.

Fuck this guy seriously. He's doing the public a major disservice. He should go join the Ramtha cult.




I don't think you're the one that understands. Kaku brought up the Many Worlds interpretation as an alternative solution to the Schrodinger's Cat paradox. That interpretation states that at each event, each possibility occurs, causing a rift between worlds. That is, when an observer opens the box, in one world he sees the cat dead and in the other he sees the cat alive.

That is why Kaku says there are dinosaur wavefunctions in the room because everything is happening simultaneously, they just occur in different "worlds." So in one world, the dinosaurs did not go extinct, etc.



Nonsense. You don't know what you are talking about. Kaku states that Schrodinger's cat shows that "observation determines existence" which he claims leaves you with a "horrible paradox" that either "the act of observation determines the existence of a cat or the cat is simultaneously dead and alive". At this point he is already so far off track he should just stop talking.

Schrodinger was not trying to say that the cat exists in multiple states until it is observed. He was making the point that anyone intuitively knows that the cat is in a classical state(i.e. alive, dead, asleep, etc.) and not a smear of probabilities unless it's observed. So Kaku either doesn't understand or is misrepresenting Schrodinger's Cat from the start.

As far as the "Many Worlds" interpretation, which is baseless, being an "alternate solution" to the paradox, that's total nonsense as well because Schrodinger's Cat is not a paradox, it's an object lesson on the limitations of maths to describe classical phenomenon, i.e.: cats in boxes.


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Re: Michio Kaku [Re: r00tuuu123]
    #19281546 - 12/15/13 10:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

NDT and michio are both amazing. making science popular is a very good idea. especially with this dumbed-down stagnating media-addicted cesspool of a culture we live in. media and pop culture is the main thing most people pay attention to nowadays. with people bringing scientific ideas into the mainstream, we have an actual chance of educating the public to make a smarter society. and perhaps, just perhaps, enticing some more scientific interest in the public mind. wouldn't that be grand? what if instead of stupid "jersey shore fans" pages on facebook with a million followers, you would instead see "neutron star" fans and "ribosomes" fans. far out


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Re: Michio Kaku [Re: Envix] * 1
    #19281599 - 12/15/13 10:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

People need to stop leaning on the word "science" as if just uttering it lends weight and credibility to anything else they say. "Making science popular" tends to be a good intention with a bad result, the result being the dumbing down of "Science" so that all those stupid common folk can understand it because only those sciency Scientists understand science and if you're not a Scientist well, just listen to what Scientists are saying and you too can understand and benefit from Science. It's empty and stupid. How about some specificity and critical thought.

Then you get idiots like Kaku spouting off nonsense but because he bears the banner of Science! everything he says is wonderful. Then common knowledge about matters involving empirical and critical thinking becomes more and more diluted, rigor is lost and people believe anything because Science.

Science! has become dogma in popular culture.


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Re: Michio Kaku [Re: Viveka]
    #19281878 - 12/15/13 11:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

you're deluded. i don't think you understand what draws people's attention and how attention works. attention drawing and thought-inciting can lead to divergent inquiry in people's thought processing.

of course "Science" is a label. it's a label used to describe the intellectual inquiry of the natural universe. it's not being "thrown around" any more than any other word is. you seem to be the one putting the word up on some kind of pedestal. only an elitist doof would believe that science could be "dumbed down" by exposing it to "dumb people". it doesn't work like that. science never "gets dumber", don't worry. science has been constantly and consistently improving and we've been getting better at it. calm down, everything is going to be okay. there's no need to get mad at michio kaku


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Re: Michio Kaku [Re: Envix]
    #19281889 - 12/16/13 12:01 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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you're deluded. i don't think you understand what draws people's attention. or how attention works and how attention drawing and thought enciting can lead to divergent inquiry in people's thought processing.

of course "Science" is a label. it's a label used to describe the intellectual inquiry of the natural universe. it's not being "thrown around" any more than any other word is. you seem to be the one putting the word up on some kind of pedestal. only an elitist doof would believe that science could be "dumbed down" by exposing it to "dumb people". it doesn't work like that. science never "gets dumber", don't worry. science has been constantly and consistently improving and we've been getting better at it. calm down, everything is going to be okay. there's no need to get mad at michio kaku




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Re: Michio Kaku [Re: robbyberto] * 1
    #19281994 - 12/16/13 12:37 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Saying might or might not is entirely redundant, fuckstick.





It's both at the same time!  :amazedohmygod:



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Re: Michio Kaku [Re: TrentBoyett]
    #19282033 - 12/16/13 12:49 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah, I don't think he's all that egotistical really, he just knows what he's talking about so it may come off that way.




But so often he doesnt...  Look at how he botches evolution:



Suffice it to say, I am not a fan.  As the years go on, I am less and less of a fan.  He over sensationalizes and opines on fields he is not an expert in.  I posted a bit about him here; http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19267033#19267033


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Re: Michio Kaku [Re: DieCommie]
    #19282101 - 12/16/13 01:20 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i must say NDT is much more creative and linguistically expressive than Kaku, but that doesn't make him better or smarter necessarily. Michio Kaku may be redundant for a reason, maybe he has poor social skills? a common trait of your typical string theorist. however it may appear in the media, they are both brilliant minds and criticizing their efforts to popularize scientific thought will do nothing for people or science.


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Re: Michio Kaku [Re: Envix] * 1
    #19282108 - 12/16/13 01:24 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Envix said:Michio Kaku may be redundant for a reason, maybe he has poor social skills? a common trait of your typical string theorist.




Not in my experience... Where do you get this idea that string theorists have poor social skills?  You're not basing your perception of physicists on the Big Bang Theory TV show are you?

I prefer Neil DeGrasse Tyson because he doesn't bullshit as much.  He doesn't over sensationalize for ratings or preach about areas that are not his expertise.


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Re: Michio Kaku [Re: DieCommie]
    #19282116 - 12/16/13 01:26 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah, I don't think he's all that egotistical really, he just knows what he's talking about so it may come off that way.




But so often he doesnt...  Look at how he botches evolution:



Suffice it to say, I am not a fan.  As the years go on, I am less and less of a fan.  He over sensationalizes and opines on fields he is not an expert in.  I posted a bit about him here; http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19267033#19267033



You wanna explain exactly how it is he 'botches' evolution? The only claims he makes in that clip in no way go against what our study of evolution and Paleontology show us.


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Re: Michio Kaku [Re: The_Ghost]
    #19282154 - 12/16/13 01:44 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i never got all the michio kaku bashing. yeah it sucks he's anti-drugs and over-sensationalizes, but at least his enthusiasm draws attention. i know it does because it drew my attention. i don't pay much attention to michio kaku now, but i'll always respect him for sparking my interest enough to go off and explore science in my own way. i didn't reallllly become interested in science to be honest, until i was in highschool and read his "physics of the impossible". i didn't realize until reading that book the potential that science could offer to the world. he breaks it down really well, the kind of things that are scientifically possible/impossible, and scientifically probable/improbable.

anyway, i don't know much more about him apart from that book, so i won't comment much else about him. but he was the guy who got me super excited about learning science and pursuing my own scientific interests (now cognitive/computer science and BMI neuroscience).

NDT stretched my interests even further. do not criticize that which can incite curiosity and wonder in the natural world, whatever form it may take. it could be a little kid's fascination in poop that leads him to one day cure colon cancer. just because you deem it "distasteful" in some way does not make it any less valid as a "scientific influence"


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    #19282181 - 12/16/13 01:52 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Michio Kaku [Re: Envix]
    #19284538 - 12/16/13 03:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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you're deluded. i don't think you understand what draws people's attention and how attention works. attention drawing and thought-inciting can lead to divergent inquiry in people's thought processing.



I'm deluded? Lol, I'm not the one spouting nonsense and misleading information. That would be Kaku and you by proxy for advocating for him.

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only an elitist doof would believe that science could be "dumbed down" by exposing it to "dumb people".



Where did I say science could be dumbed down by exposing it to "dumb people" Now you're putting words in my mouth and completely misrepresenting my position. My point was that as Science! is championed in popular culture, because it's cool and intellectual and gives people a dogma alternate to religion, it gets diluted and the general concept of what constitutes science is dumbed down, especially when various "experts" and media purposefully dumb it down because they don't believe that people have the ability to understand concepts and data so it gets packaged into neat little pop consumables and memes for people to click thumbs up on social media.

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science never "gets dumber", don't worry. science has been constantly and consistently improving and we've been getting better at it. calm down, everything is going to be okay. there's no need to get mad at michio kaku



Politics and pop culture stupidity do in fact damage the public perception of what constitutes "science" and the scientific method itself, which should be based on empirical observation. Instead, people take away ideas, like Kaku's butchering of concepts, and rely on appeals to authority and peer review instead of researching, thinking and understanding for themselves. That's cute that you became "super excited about learning science" by reading Kaku but it doesn't mean that everyone should be expected to champion his nonsense. You might want to confirm for yourself any understanding you think you've gleaned from Kaku considering that much of his information is dubious.


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