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Argyreia
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Re: What is is rock? Just collected some outdoors. [Re: ferrel_human] 4
#24477231 - 07/12/17 04:49 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Some progress on my rock-eaters seedlings and their first growing season outdoors, not sheltered from the rain.
The lophs :
 So I found out that the loph seedlings do really average rock-eating. They do grow but very slowly. In my next sowings I'll add some organics to the rocks and I'll report these guys to give them more room and organics. I'm pretty sure that their roots are clogged because you feel it when you handle the plastic pot. Lophophora also have a partial crown rot issue when it's raining a lot for a long period of time. I've had a lot of partial crown/apex rot this season. So far, lophs are the only cacti that need to be sheltered from the rain early in the season. Think july/august are warm enough to stop having rot issues. (that partial crown/apex rot issue is not deadly tho and my babies who suffered from that are healing nicely and will probably become multi-headers .)
The turbinicarpi and astrophytums :
 Turbinicarpi are doing so well rock-eating. They grow so fast and I'm sure they would be twice as big if they had more room. (Gonna repot all of these soon.) Astrophytums are also doing really nice in 100% rocks. The only thing is that I found that it's hard for them to pass the cotyledon stage. I think 30% of them died within the two first months. They are also prone to root rot if overwatered indoors under a lamp. Did not find any root rot since they are outdoors, even if they are rained on during a full week.
Matucana madisoniorum :
 They are also doing quite well but some are still struggling to get bigger. They will make it tho.
I also have ariocarpi, obregonia denegrii and two leuchtenbergia principis rock-eaters seedlings.
For the ariocarpi : They do really well since they are outdoors. I do see them grow, that is unusual for me as I thought my ariocarpi were just standing still. They do horrible indoors rock-eating, they just stall and root rot.
Obregonia denegrii : These guys are easy to grow indoors and outdoors. They are sure slow growers but grow steadily with no rot problems.
Leuchtenbergia principis : Same as obregonia. I found that they can struggle a bit being settled in the rocks and I lost a lot of them within the two first months. Passed this critical stage, they are pretty tough and unkillable.
As a conclusion, I think I would stop trying to grow ariocarpi indoors and add some organics to the lophs. Otherwise, every other baby will be repotted in rocks, but with more room. I was afraid of root rot letting my cacti in the rain but so far so good, zero root rot in my whole collection. Real sunlight is also the true shit to grow things, honestly.
Edited by Argyreia (07/12/17 04:54 AM)
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LSoares
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Re: What is is rock? Just collected some outdoors. [Re: Argyreia]
#24477278 - 07/12/17 06:09 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Nice report.
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ferrel_human
stone eater



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Re: What is is rock? Just collected some outdoors. [Re: LSoares]
#24477771 - 07/12/17 11:39 AM (6 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thats how i like it. So you know, its nature way of super slow. Never fast and vloated and definitly not pretty. But it happens, its how it is.
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PegasusTheFlyingHorse



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Re: What is is rock? Just collected some outdoors. [Re: ferrel_human]
#24525207 - 08/02/17 03:30 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sorry been so long but here is the little experiment I posted a few months ago, the one in just selenite only made one out of ten seeds and didn't look a good, so I removed it and added to this other pot which was minerals, soil and selenite mix, and they do seem well, one is huge lol!!
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KenInVic
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Re: What is is rock? Just collected some outdoors. [Re: Spellbound]
#24525300 - 08/02/17 04:12 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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They're looking slightly etiolated, Pegasus. Are they getting enough light?
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PegasusTheFlyingHorse



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Re: What is is rock? Just collected some outdoors. [Re: KenInVic]
#24525346 - 08/02/17 04:33 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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I've had them covered but they are under a light, I've uncovered them now maybe I need to move the light a little closer then
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KenInVic
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Re: What is is rock? Just collected some outdoors. [Re: Spellbound]
#24525387 - 08/02/17 04:50 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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I use T5HO tubes for lighting. I have a bank of 3 tubes or a bank of 7 tubes, depending on how they're taking the light. I throw all I can at them without them getting sunburned. I also let my seedlings have an 18/6 light cycle. My tubes are 6500K.
The etiolation doesn't seem as problematic with lophs. If you let trich seedlings etiolate, you get a cactus that probably won't stand on its own once the tip begins getting substantially larger than the base under proper light.
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PegasusTheFlyingHorse



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Re: What is is rock? Just collected some outdoors. [Re: KenInVic]
#24526576 - 08/03/17 03:08 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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The light I'm using has two of them t5 6500k so I thought would be good enough for cactus, I'll keep an eye on them and see, I did move the light a little higher so I'll lower it again haha. I only have the one light though, I keep saying I'm not getting a second set up we shall see!
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KenInVic
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Re: What is is rock? Just collected some outdoors. [Re: Spellbound]
#24527224 - 08/03/17 10:58 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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You can have T5s rather close. Put the back of your hand at the same height as your babies and lower the light to a point that is just higher than where you would find it uncomfortable yourself. I might look at 6" from the top as a starting point, if you're not already that low, and adjust up and down from there.
Two tubes may be of benefit as they don't throw as much heat as a seven-tube bank. You can confirm the temps with a thermometer placed at the same height as your plants. If they start picking up a red hue, back off as well, that would be too much light.
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"Because something is happening here, but you don't know what it is, do you, Mr. Jones." Ballad of a Thin Man by Mrs. Zimmerman's little boy, Bobby.
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PegasusTheFlyingHorse



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Re: What is is rock? Just collected some outdoors. [Re: KenInVic]
#24529037 - 08/04/17 02:10 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Okies I'll have a play with it later, it seems a good light twin tubes and can feel the heat it gives off lol, not as much under as there was mostly trich and loph babies ATM.
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Entheopsybin
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Re: What is is rock? Just collected some outdoors. [Re: Spellbound]
#24538328 - 08/08/17 02:38 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey all, where is a good place to keep my loph in the winter? At the moment i have it in my room with a light
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PegasusTheFlyingHorse



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Re: What is is rock? Just collected some outdoors. [Re: Entheopsybin]
#24539116 - 08/08/17 12:58 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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My favourite lophs are in clay pots kept inside on window sill summer and winter I just water less in winter.
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Spanishfly
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Re: What is is rock? Just collected some outdoors. [Re: Spellbound]
#24539478 - 08/08/17 04:36 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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I use a 4 X 1026W 5800K fusion lamp - excellent results and the cheapest of all to run.
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Entheopsybin
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Re: What is is rock? Just collected some outdoors. [Re: Spanishfly]
#24539489 - 08/08/17 04:42 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Okay cool. I havent watered it at all this winter and i dont plan to water it until next season or i see new growth. Is that a good idea? I know this plant is susceptible to root rot. I dont have a windowsill it would fit on so yeah i just use the light im not sure what light it is but its a white light builders type of lamp if thats helpful
-------------------- One of the most famous of all alchemical axions is, "As Above, So Below"
✡✠ॐ☪︎☯︎ Meaning always, that in every small part of reality, there is a tiny reflection of the great over-structure of reality, and in the largest structures, are hidden the secrets of the smallest, and vice versa - Terence Mckenna -
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ferrel_human
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Re: What is is rock? Just collected some outdoors. [Re: Entheopsybin]
#24540468 - 08/08/17 11:21 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Whats your mix?
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ellomello
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Re: What is is rock? Just collected some outdoors. [Re: ferrel_human] 1
#24551259 - 08/13/17 05:03 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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So i just stuck a bunch of bottles together, in the same fashion as this picture;

i was wondering what plants might do well in that setup.. small pot space, dry out if left and it doesn't rain, ..and if i use rocks instead of soil, or sandy rocky soil? wouldn't that be good for cacti ? what you guys think?
This is a long thread.... could i get some quick suggestions on types of rocks to use? ..Anyone using broken up flower pots?
Not exactly related but,
 Here is an experiment of G.bicolor growing in a broken flower pot (and doing much better than it's test partner in the soil pot)
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ferrel_human
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Re: What is is rock? Just collected some outdoors. [Re: ellomello]
#24551411 - 08/13/17 06:12 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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One of my rock babies bit the dust.

Rip.
@Ellomello all the good info is in the first 2 to 3 pages. The rest is just,me and everyone else showing off our shit. Good stuff bro and yourw like me. Almost impatient.
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LSoares
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Re: What is is rock? Just collected some outdoors. [Re: ferrel_human]
#24553729 - 08/14/17 05:01 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
ferrel_human said: One of my rock babies bit the dust.

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ferrel_human
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Re: What is is rock? Just collected some outdoors. [Re: LSoares]
#24555737 - 08/15/17 12:52 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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-------------------- Nature is my church and walking through it is gospel. It tells no lies and reveals all to those who look, and listen, closely. -Karode
 
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ferrel_human
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Re: What is is rock? Just collected some outdoors. [Re: ferrel_human] 1
#24560510 - 08/17/17 01:43 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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They love rock? Yeah they do. Ready for a new home.
-------------------- Nature is my church and walking through it is gospel. It tells no lies and reveals all to those who look, and listen, closely. -Karode
 
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