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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: ferrel_human]
    #19392785 - 01/09/14 09:23 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

Nice plant, Ferrel, love these dichotomous Mammillaria. Is it M. perbella? It can be a bit stubborn.


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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: ferrel_human]
    #19392788 - 01/09/14 09:23 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

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when I first transplanted this little guy to the rock.




I see signs of growth. I bought this little guy years ago and it has only slightly grown. maybe its the rock.






That's a fascinating theory,it very well could be the rocks!


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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: LSoares]
    #19392796 - 01/09/14 09:29 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

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Nice plant, Ferrel, love these dichotomous Mammillaria. Is it M. perbella? It can be a bit stubborn.




I don't know. I saw it and loved it. it has never flowered under my care and its been 4 years, I think, since I had it.


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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: ferrel_human]
    #19392809 - 01/09/14 09:33 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

I have all my lophs and ariocarpus mostly at rocks with small amount of perlite and of clay is the material for pots. Very very small amount of soil mixed there between rocks but mostly water goes trough when I pour water from top.

Maybe at spring I add very thin layer of fertile soil so surface, pour water and let fertile soil go somewhere between rocks and same time fertilize my lophs.

Only way I water lophs and ariocarpus is dip the pots to water for 5-20minutes and after 2-3days, plants got plump up and then I wait long time when they starts shrivel I water again. Sometimes they flower without watering, if it's warm enough.

One funny story about l. diffusa, when I forget it at mid-winter to windowsill an heat radiator was below it. For my surprise diffusa starts to bloom bu flower never opened because plants does't receive any light.:lol:

I can't use common soil for tap root plants in my climate and they will go more rot prone, I have lost too much lophs to rot because of soil and every plant what have been rotten have been in plastic pot and in rocky soil, similar soil like my trichs have.

Now I just waiting spring.. Even I have randomly spray'd some water to skin of lophs over winter to fight against too dry air in the house what cause skin cracking. But I spray with caution because I don't want roots to have any water.

This pic I have post to loph growers unite thread, these are growing only mostly at rocks with small amount of soil somewhere near roots.


I keep my lophs in similar rocky growing medium than very rot prone ortegocactus macdougallii plants I have.


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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: ferrel_human]
    #19392847 - 01/09/14 09:44 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

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I don't know. I saw it and loved it. it has never flowered under my care and its been 4 years, I think, since I had it.




It's probably that species. It will flower purple around May and flower again in the autumn. I've got a plant that suffered a lot of abuse (including loss of the growing point) and sulks on me occasionally.


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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: LSoares]
    #19392858 - 01/09/14 09:47 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

those are lovely intelligent. :thumbup:


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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: ferrel_human]
    #19392897 - 01/09/14 09:55 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

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those are lovely intelligent. :thumbup:




I know... I love the appearance of peyote when they're not watered too much and let them be thirsty long time before watering again... Sometimes I let peyote sink below ground level and just keep holding on watering, even at growing season I can keep them long time dry.. They seems to love it even they doesn't grow so fast, but it's not the point for me.:yesnod:
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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: intelligentlife]
    #19393312 - 01/09/14 11:37 AM (10 years, 22 days ago)

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They seems to love it even they doesn't grow so fast, but it's not the point for me.:yesnod:
:nyan:



QFT.

Feel the same way. You grow them slow and you grow such an attachment.  At 8 1/2 yrs in the peyote game, I surprise myself at how much I have learned. Slow will always win in my book.


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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: ferrel_human]
    #19393596 - 01/09/14 12:45 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

Yeah,I have since stopped watering mine as much as I used to.I believe the last time I watered them was a couple of weeks ago.Although I like the look of Lophophora Phat or water starved,I was mainly just watering mine more,so they would grow faster.


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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: KBG1977]
    #19394075 - 01/09/14 02:59 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

They grow long time in dry, using their water storage from tap root... I have seen it needs over month to make peyote even feel thirsty.

It's nice to water them good at once, then just forget them for long time.. Even peyote doesn't have wet soil they will grow.. slowly.. it needs serious long time drought to stop peyote growing and get it to shrink..

Ferrel: Yes, slow way is the best way to get fine plants! No hurry to get the size for 'em! ..Also I learn constantly more and more.. And want to find out. :thumbup:

Most thing what I have learn about peyote are trough mistakes.. So I sure know what should not do instead of I know only what should do.. Better to know more "don't" instead of few "do"

Soon I update my threads where are peyote and trich growing from seed, just want to wait some time more, I try to go by one update in 3-4weeks.. :smile:


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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: intelligentlife]
    #19395345 - 01/09/14 06:56 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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They grow long time in dry, using their water storage from tap root... I have seen it needs over month to make peyote even feel thirsty.

It's nice to water them good at once, then just forget them for long time.. Even peyote doesn't have wet soil they will grow.. slowly.. it needs serious long time drought to stop peyote growing and get it to shrink..

Ferrel: Yes, slow way is the best way to get fine plants! No hurry to get the size for 'em! ..Also I learn constantly more and more.. And want to find out. :thumbup:

Most thing what I have learn about peyote are trough mistakes.. So I sure know what should not do instead of I know only what should do.. Better to know more "don't" instead of few "do"

Soon I update my threads where are peyote and trich growing from seed, just want to wait some time more, I try to go by one update in 3-4weeks.. :smile:





Good stuff man:thumbup:One thing I always do,is make sure my soil is bone dry before I water,which only takes a few days in this house!


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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: KBG1977]
    #19396530 - 01/09/14 11:30 PM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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They grow long time in dry, using their water storage from tap root... I have seen it needs over month to make peyote even feel thirsty.

It's nice to water them good at once, then just forget them for long time.. Even peyote doesn't have wet soil they will grow.. slowly.. it needs serious long time drought to stop peyote growing and get it to shrink..

Ferrel: Yes, slow way is the best way to get fine plants! No hurry to get the size for 'em! ..Also I learn constantly more and more.. And want to find out. :thumbup:

Most thing what I have learn about peyote are trough mistakes.. So I sure know what should not do instead of I know only what should do.. Better to know more "don't" instead of few "do"

Soon I update my threads where are peyote and trich growing from seed, just want to wait some time more, I try to go by one update in 3-4weeks.. :smile:





Good stuff man:thumbup:One thing I always do,is make sure my soil is bone dry before I water,which only takes a few days in this house!




You can keep it dry longer.. As I said peyote will grow when it's drought and get it's water from it's water storage, tap root. You can keep 2-6weeks dry soil before even water again.. Some times let plants shrink below the surface and water after that.. This causes nice coloration to skin of peyote.


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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: intelligentlife]
    #19397653 - 01/10/14 07:27 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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intelligentlife said:
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KBG1977 said:
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intelligentlife said:
They grow long time in dry, using their water storage from tap root... I have seen it needs over month to make peyote even feel thirsty.

It's nice to water them good at once, then just forget them for long time.. Even peyote doesn't have wet soil they will grow.. slowly.. it needs serious long time drought to stop peyote growing and get it to shrink..

Ferrel: Yes, slow way is the best way to get fine plants! No hurry to get the size for 'em! ..Also I learn constantly more and more.. And want to find out. :thumbup:

Most thing what I have learn about peyote are trough mistakes.. So I sure know what should not do instead of I know only what should do.. Better to know more "don't" instead of few "do"

Soon I update my threads where are peyote and trich growing from seed, just want to wait some time more, I try to go by one update in 3-4weeks.. :smile:





Good stuff man:thumbup:One thing I always do,is make sure my soil is bone dry before I water,which only takes a few days in this house!




You can keep it dry longer.. As I said peyote will grow when it's drought and get it's water from it's water storage, tap root. You can keep 2-6weeks dry soil before even water again.. Some times let plants shrink below the surface and water after that.. This causes nice coloration to skin of peyote.




That's good to know boss man,I'm really surprised I've never lost a single cactus to rot,as much as I water all mine!Despite this fact,my little lophs have maintained their natural grayish coloring,and they aren't that bright green florescent color,which I can finally see,doesn't look too natural at all:biggrin:


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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: KBG1977]
    #19397808 - 01/10/14 08:16 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

How long have you had those lophs in your sig?  It looks like their environment/lighting changed as you can see the star shaped lighter color radiating from their centers.  Color looks good to me. :thumbup:


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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: KBG1977]
    #19397813 - 01/10/14 08:19 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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KBG1977 said:
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They grow long time in dry, using their water storage from tap root... I have seen it needs over month to make peyote even feel thirsty.

It's nice to water them good at once, then just forget them for long time.. Even peyote doesn't have wet soil they will grow.. slowly.. it needs serious long time drought to stop peyote growing and get it to shrink..

Ferrel: Yes, slow way is the best way to get fine plants! No hurry to get the size for 'em! ..Also I learn constantly more and more.. And want to find out. :thumbup:

Most thing what I have learn about peyote are trough mistakes.. So I sure know what should not do instead of I know only what should do.. Better to know more "don't" instead of few "do"

Soon I update my threads where are peyote and trich growing from seed, just want to wait some time more, I try to go by one update in 3-4weeks.. :smile:





Good stuff man:thumbup:One thing I always do,is make sure my soil is bone dry before I water,which only takes a few days in this house!




You can keep it dry longer.. As I said peyote will grow when it's drought and get it's water from it's water storage, tap root. You can keep 2-6weeks dry soil before even water again.. Some times let plants shrink below the surface and water after that.. This causes nice coloration to skin of peyote.




That's good to know boss man,I'm really surprised I've never lost a single cactus to rot,as much as I water all mine!Despite this fact,my little lophs have maintained their natural grayish coloring,and they aren't that bright green florescent color,which I can finally see,doesn't look too natural at all:biggrin:




Best they survive without you care them at all, just forget your peyote.. IF you want to observe and take flowering photos, it's different but hold your water can. For real.. Just don't water..

When peyote starts to change color, take some grey coloration because they react to soil, starts to shrink and goes under the ground level, then you can probably water them..

You don't need to water them every time soil is dry.. They will have tap root, water storage, they use their water storage to grow and no need excess water from soil.. Only then peyote starts to need water when plant starts to shrink. Let them take their own time. They will grow long after watering because their tap root water storage.

Information sites what advice to water peyote every week or every two weeks are not wrong but for the appearance of cacti, it's okey to let them shrink, get some different skin coloration and shrink. Also watering should be very random, sometimes give water when soil is dry and next watering wait looong time and let plants shrink.. You'll see it from skin of peyote.. Greenish-blue skin are peyote with good water storage.. Gray-blue skin are peyote comes when they have been longer time without water and coloration change when you water them.

Peyote are basically very greed what comes to water and it basically kill itself by drinking too much.. Sometimes too much watering cause skin crack what is minor compared to rotting root.

I can keep my peyote at growing season over month without a single drop of water.. And when I water I water them good. You just have to get to understand only best way to water peyote is very random.. Sometimes give 2 week period drought, some times 6weeks. And you can keep your plants compact and healthy.

This text is copied from one good website at internet:
Cultivation: All Lophophora species are extremely slow growing, often taking up to thirty years to reach flowering age in the wild (about the size of a golf ball, not including its root). Human cultivated specimens grow considerably faster, usually taking from six to ten years to go from seedling to mature flowering adult.
Because of the tap root they are very rot prone, so use highly gritty compost with much drainage. Requires half shade to part sun. Waterings should be rather infrequent  to keep the plant compact and not to become excessively elongated and unnatural in appearance, watering it properly is often difficult because this plant tends to crack open or rot if over-watered. The fact that the plant retracts into the soil and assume a grey-green colouring between watering, is perfectly natural and doesn't cause any damage.

So basically, when your plants starts to have grey coloration and it starts to shrink.. Give 'em a good drink of water. They change appearance when they plump up and just wait when your plants are starts to shrink.. They can be plump up even in dry soil long time and dry soil doesn't mean they necessary needs any water..

It's waiting game about whole watering, hard to learn even most obvious way to keep healthy peyote is forget the plants for long time. You can see it from plant do it needs water or not.

Ofc sometimes it's ok to check bugs and photo the flowering but watering are tricky and hard to learn the way; "no water yet, maybe next week" ...you can see it from plant, there is to any rules of watering peyote, only rule what I can say is there is no rule what confuse human because human try always go rational way with everything. Best treatment for peyote is your absence.


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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: intelligentlife]
    #19397916 - 01/10/14 08:59 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

One thing that always stuck with me was when Dag said in his stone eaters is that "nature doesnt offer any gifts".

So true and intelligent has the right idea. Leave em be and offer a little, not a lot, and they seem to like that.


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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: ferrel_human]
    #19397929 - 01/10/14 09:03 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

Our Australian brothers may not appreciate us @ shroomery very much, but let's not make the same mistake.  They have good information, and similar discussions...
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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: ferrel_human]
    #19397963 - 01/10/14 09:12 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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"nature doesnt offer any gifts".




:borat: So true and what a clever way to word it.  Every living species we see around us is alive only because they all fought to get where they are today in some way.  Survival of the fittest aka no free gifts. :thumbup:

If you think about that quote in a different context it can mean two entirely different things.  Some would say we get gifts from nature in the form of fruit or other stuff like plant alkaloids but I get what Dag is saying.


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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: SuperD]
    #19397995 - 01/10/14 09:21 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)

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How long have you had those lophs in your sig?  It looks like their environment/lighting changed as you can see the star shaped lighter color radiating from their centers.  Color looks good to me. :thumbup:




I got those lophs from a good friend of mine:wink:roughly two years ago,maybe a year and a half.They were half this size,and had no roots.He originally sent four,but I dropped the clay pot they were in,and they were so small,I stepped on one trying to gather them up:sad:There is no sun here,and hasn't been in quite some time,so they are strictly being grown underneath my cheap shop light.They are also about three feet from the bulb,and are showing no signs of stretching whatsoever.Thanks,I like their color too Super D:grin:


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Re: Welcome to the Stone Eaters- A Soil Revolution [Re: KBG1977]
    #19398408 - 01/10/14 11:03 AM (10 years, 21 days ago)



About the thread "emulating limestone desert soil for lophs", there is another ingredient i think that could be used, chalk!

I believe one of it's main substances is calcite which is also Limestone's main substance!

It could be crushed and added to the substrate and also spread on top of the substrate, as it would slowly crumble and fill the soil with more calcite as you water it, and as time goes on!


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