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POWAtrippin
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Re: What is is rock? Just collected some outdoors. [Re: ferrel_human]
#20203241 - 06/29/14 02:07 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well its just something that has crossed my mind a good bit. Legumes being a prime example of a something used as a cover crop to increase N content.
I just don't see why it wouldn't relate. I have some yearling columnars that are in nothing but sand and are plenty green. I am not saying that this is always the ONLY means of getting things but it should be considered, and seems to be shown.
I apologize if this has already been mentioned by the way, I def skimmed.
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LSoares
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Re: What is is rock? Just collected some outdoors. [Re: modern.shaman] 1
#20203446 - 06/29/14 03:04 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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modern.shaman said: Doesn't the nitrogen come from the rain and rocks?
There are three "natural" sources of nitrogen - rain water with dilluted ionized (by electric discharges) N, nitrogen fixing bacteria and organic matter decay.
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ferrel_human
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Re: What is is rock? Just collected some outdoors. [Re: LSoares]
#20203494 - 06/29/14 03:23 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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LSoares said:
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modern.shaman said: Doesn't the nitrogen come from the rain and rocks?
There are three "natural" sources of nitrogen - rain water with dilluted ionized (by electric discharges) N, nitrogen fixing bacteria and organic matter decay.
Thanks for the knowledgeable post lsoares. Like I have said before im like my father. We go on by what we see.
I see green and assume a healthy plant. I see a dying plant and know it needs something. So we add what it needs accordingly.
This is all new to me guys and thanks for all the positive responses. I remember the original article I posted and had seen it but never thought much about it.
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Re: What is is rock? Just collected some outdoors. [Re: ferrel_human]
#20203848 - 06/29/14 05:03 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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Lophophora williamsii texana.
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LSoares
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Re: What is is rock? Just collected some outdoors. [Re: ferrel_human]
#20206224 - 06/30/14 01:54 AM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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ferrel_human said: Lophophora williamsii texana.

I wish I had your courage and determination to risk repotting seedlings that early.
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intelligentlife
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Re: What is is rock? Just collected some outdoors. [Re: LSoares]
#20206296 - 06/30/14 02:34 AM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hey. Can someone please try to guess what rocks these are at surface of t. pachanoi plant?

Or no one do not know what mineral rocks these white-black rocks could be??
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LSoares
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Re: What is is rock? Just collected some outdoors. [Re: intelligentlife]
#20206339 - 06/30/14 03:13 AM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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intelligentlife said: Hey. Can someone please try to guess what rocks these are at surface of t. pachanoi plant?
Someone mentioned granite, but my guess is diorite (a sort of cousin).
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Re: What is is rock? Just collected some outdoors. [Re: LSoares]
#20206343 - 06/30/14 03:17 AM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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LSoares said:
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intelligentlife said: Hey. Can someone please try to guess what rocks these are at surface of t. pachanoi plant?
Someone mentioned granite, but my guess is diorite (a sort of cousin).
So in basically, granite of some sort is good to mix in soil aswell? I have rock chips in lophophora pots. Lots of different rocks..
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LSoares
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Re: What is is rock? Just collected some outdoors. [Re: intelligentlife]
#20206367 - 06/30/14 03:32 AM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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intelligentlife said: So in basically, granite of some sort is good to mix in soil aswell? I have rock chips in lophophora pots. Lots of different rocks..
Yes, granite / diorite / quartzite and basically any common quartz based rock is safe for usage in your substrate. They are very unlikely to release anything into the mix (very hard thing, quartz) and, if they do, it will be silica, which is quite inert.
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Re: What is is rock? Just collected some outdoors. [Re: LSoares]
#20206480 - 06/30/14 04:57 AM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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LSoares said:
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intelligentlife said: So in basically, granite of some sort is good to mix in soil aswell? I have rock chips in lophophora pots. Lots of different rocks..
Yes, granite / diorite / quartzite and basically any common quartz based rock is safe for usage in your substrate. They are very unlikely to release anything into the mix (very hard thing, quartz) and, if they do, it will be silica, which is quite inert.
Do you mean same "silica" used to keep something inside sealed bag dried? (Industrial use this for electronics etc etc...) "Silica Gel Bags" are usually inside those things. Is it same element causing things dry out?
Or do you talk something else named "silica" as nutrient or so..
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LSoares
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Re: What is is rock? Just collected some outdoors. [Re: intelligentlife]
#20206487 - 06/30/14 05:02 AM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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Silica Gel and silica is not the same thing. Silica is silicium dioxide (SiO2), a compound of no (or at least doubrful) use as nutrient, very inert and chemically stable.
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ferrel_human
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Re: What is is rock? Just collected some outdoors. [Re: LSoares]
#20206649 - 06/30/14 07:10 AM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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LSoares said:
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ferrel_human said: Lophophora williamsii texana.

I wish I had your courage and determination to risk repotting seedlings that early. 
This is usually what does me in, my own tenacity. But I believe the only way to do it is like this as they have been hardened off and quite healthy even at a young age.
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Re: What is is rock? Just collected some outdoors. [Re: ferrel_human]
#20233822 - 07/06/14 07:26 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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so uhh... it is alright if I just crush up a bunch of rocks which vaguely look like the ones you've recommended and then plant some lophs in that?
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ferrel_human
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Re: What is is rock? Just collected some outdoors. [Re: thud thud]
#20233912 - 07/06/14 07:40 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well not vaguely but yes, you can plant directy.
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durian_2008
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Re: What is is rock? Just collected some outdoors. [Re: ferrel_human]
#20236592 - 07/07/14 10:40 AM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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I wonder whether enough cacti would eventually leave behind mineral remains, like coral atolls or diatomaceous earth.
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Re: What is is rock? Just collected some outdoors. [Re: ferrel_human]
#20236882 - 07/07/14 12:08 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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One of the best stone eater plants is equisetum arvense Horsetail . Some gardeners make a preparation for their plants with it. link
" Biodynamic preparation - BD 508 - Equisetum arvense How to make Content: Equisetum arvense or horse tail Procedure This plant has a very high silica content. After harvesting the leaves and stalks in spring and drying them, there are two methods to make the preparation:
Mix the dried plant and clean water together at the rate 100g of plant to 2 litres of water. Bring it to boil and then let it simmer in a covered pan for 20 minutes and once cooled leave it stand for two days before using. Soak the leaves in cold water for two weeks.
You will know when the preparation is ready to use after these methods, as it has a good smell. Storage: You can store the dried plant in a dry place for extended times. For the made up preparation, avoid exposure to light and keep cool. Store in a tightly stoppered container. Fermentation gases may need to be vented from time to time. Reasons for use Equisetum is used to reduce the effects of excessive water around plants that would lead to fungus. It is the high percentage of silica in the plant that works on lowering the impacts of moisture. How to apply High moisture times: Application at any times of high moisture when you have plants more susceptible to fungus. Especially important to prepare for times of ascending moon to full moon and coinciding with a perigee, when the moon forces on earth are very strong and create potential for high moisture levels. It can also be used regularly as part of your general fertility practices in your garden or orchard. Quantity: For 1 acre – use 1/3 of a litre of preparation in 7.5 litres of water. Thus, 1 acre would require about 20gms of equisetum plant. For a household block – use 1/6 of a litre of preparation in 3.75 litres of water. Thus, 1 houseblock would require about 10gms of equisetum plant. If you plan for multiple applications over time, which would be helpful for general fertility of your garden, then multiply these quantities by the number of times in a year you intend to use it. How to apply: Stir the the equisetum in clean water in a vortex fashion, same as BD500, for half an hour and then spray it out using a back pack or hand sprayer depending on your size of land. "
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MrGumball
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Re: What is is rock? Just collected some outdoors. [Re: ferrel_human]
#20296981 - 07/19/14 03:50 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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Has anyone tried sowing seed directly into a stone mix? I thought Ferrel had, but I can't find the post I thought I read.
I may sow a small portion of my L. williamsii seed stock on some crushed granite (poultry grit) and see what happens. Up until now I've just been using sand.
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ferrel_human
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Re: What is is rock? Just collected some outdoors. [Re: MrGumball]
#20297045 - 07/19/14 04:14 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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MrGumball said: Has anyone tried sowing seed directly into a stone mix? I thought Ferrel had, but I can't find the post I thought I read.
I may sow a small portion of my L. williamsii seed stock on some crushed granite (poultry grit) and see what happens. Up until now I've just been using sand.
Seedling trays. Various cacti seed grown on 100 percent stone. Finely sifted
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Re: What is is rock? Just collected some outdoors. [Re: ferrel_human]
#20301563 - 07/20/14 03:01 PM (9 years, 6 months ago) |
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Very good article fh, thank you for listing it.
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ferrel_human
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Re: What is is rock? Just collected some outdoors. [Re: ferrel_human]
#20395707 - 08/09/14 12:45 PM (9 years, 5 months ago) |
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A seedling's root take a rock captive. I picked up the seedling and it had the rock attached. Makes for good eating. 
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