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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: st1llnox]
    #19272966 - 12/13/13 11:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

hahaha that's true I never even thought about that before. I lived in Missouri for a little while too, huh.


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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: showme]
    #19273061 - 12/14/13 12:04 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Haha that's hilarious man... where at?

BTW I think my tribal name is going to be "Interpreter of Maladies" if you need to look for me.


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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: st1llnox]
    #19273211 - 12/14/13 01:31 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I've been to two peyote ceremonies. They were great experiences. The ceremony lasts all night, from dusk to dawn. I love the sound of the water drum. I'm a vegetarian but out of respect I ate the meat that is part of the sacred foods at the end of the ceremony.


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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: farmerb]
    #19273221 - 12/14/13 01:36 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I've been to two peyote ceremonies. They were great experiences. The ceremony lasts all night, from dusk to dawn. I love the sound of the water drum. I'm a vegetarian but out of respect I ate the meat that is part of the sacred foods at the end of the ceremony.




Sometimes the meat will be mixed with other things and I notice the vegetarians just going for that.

God, canned corn never tasted as good as ceremonial canned corn. :drooling:


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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #19275267 - 12/14/13 03:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I've been to two peyote ceremonies. They were great experiences. The ceremony lasts all night, from dusk to dawn. I love the sound of the water drum. I'm a vegetarian but out of respect I ate the meat that is part of the sacred foods at the end of the ceremony.




Sometimes the meat will be mixed with other things and I notice the vegetarians just going for that.

God, canned corn never tasted as good as ceremonial canned corn. :drooling:




The ones I went to had venison for the meat and purple corn made into a paste.


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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: farmerb]
    #19275277 - 12/14/13 03:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

$10 bucks says they tell you to fuck off in the first hour


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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: volcomstoner]
    #19275377 - 12/14/13 04:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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$10 bucks says they tell you to fuck off in the first hour



You're an asshole that's just trying to share your discontent with the world.

Find somewhere else to cry.


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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: volcomstoner]
    #19276987 - 12/14/13 11:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks so much for sharing your experiences and insights everyone!

I have awesome news: I had this dream last night that really paralleled the last 5 or 6 years of my life and that ended with me in a lit cabin with blinds open, but at night so I could be seen but could see nothing of what waited outside. I was lonely and sad and scared to make a change, and then another guy named Justin ended up there. We talked about the pros and cons of staying versus going into the unknown and the dangers therein, but he made it clear he was going to risk it and asked me along.

I decided to go with him and though we knew the dark had hazards, the safety and comfort was getting worse and was definitely leading to worse things.



I talked to the chief, Man Standing Tall about this, but before I even told him the dream I asked if he knows any Justins.

His brother, who leads the dining(? IDK if I heard it right) ceremony and the ayahuasca ceremony, is named Justin and it turns out he'd already told me a lot about him under his tribal name "Healing Warrior"; I just hadn't been told his birth name.


Could be coincidence, might be, but this is getting much more profound and interesting than I thought. Just from talking to Man Standing Tall for several hours the last couple days and fasting/reflecting, I feel like I've figured out probably close to as much as I was hoping to from trying LSD/psilocybin/mescaline.

Both their leader and I are in accord that I should go down there and learn more, and now I especially want to meet Justin "Healing Warrior". If he looks similar to how he did in the dream, THEN I'm going to just be like zomg lol.

I told him how I tend to get overly excited about things so I'm waiting a couple days just to make sure this is the right decision, but unless something comes up I think I'm going to go stay with their leader and his wife for at least a few days. :sun:

I haven't felt this good about things and my life in a long time! :zomgzomgzomg: Thanks again for the good vibes and helpful/awesome stories everyone!

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$10 bucks says they tell you to fuck off in the first hour




Is PayPal okay? You can send check or Western Union otherwise. :ruggedwink:  Look inward, man.


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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: st1llnox]
    #19277505 - 12/15/13 02:12 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'm surprised to hear that an official of the charter is using Ayahuasca as a medicine in ceremonies.

It's not common to hold an Ayahuasca ceremony officially through the church; though it's not unheard of for members to hold Ayahuasca ceremonies on the side in their own time.


But I've personally never heard of such a thing before, and I think it would raise my suspicions.


Follow your intuition no matter what though.

It doesn't matter how ancient and meaningful a tradition may be;
If it doesn't feel right for you then it probably isn't.


There is a reason for holding ceremony instead of taking peyote in casual setting.
Holding space has a profound impact upon the experience; and you will get to see that benefit first hand.

However, that doesn't mean the group you will be sitting with are cohesive with your own mental circumstance.
Forcing certain traditions upon yourself when they are not compatible with your own mental condition could result in some unhealthy developments.


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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #19278033 - 12/15/13 07:25 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm surprised to hear that an official of the charter is using Ayahuasca as a medicine in ceremonies.

It's not common to hold an Ayahuasca ceremony officially through the church; though it's not unheard of for members to hold Ayahuasca ceremonies on the side in their own time.


But I've personally never heard of such a thing before, and I think it would raise my suspicions.


Follow your intuition no matter what though.

It doesn't matter how ancient and meaningful a tradition may be;
If it doesn't feel right for you then it probably isn't.


There is a reason for holding ceremony instead of taking peyote in casual setting.
Holding space has a profound impact upon the experience; and you will get to see that benefit first hand.

However, that doesn't mean the group you will be sitting with are cohesive with your own mental circumstance.
Forcing certain traditions upon yourself when they are not compatible with your own mental condition could result in some unhealthy developments.



Agreed this is a very sacred honor, I wish to have this expirience on my bucket list and fear I will not be able to


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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #19278664 - 12/15/13 10:36 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Seriously Tripping, if you feel you want or need healing through a Peyote ceremony, James "Flaming Eagle" Mooney was appointed to be a pipe carrier at age 47 but (and here's where we white folk cross in to all this), he was charged to never turn away anyone who seeks medicine and healing regardless of race, beliefs, creed, gender, sexuality, etc.

I don't want to get ahead of myself but I also think there's a really, really good chance I'm going to become a member and Medicine Man. I'm not sure if I will ever be or feel called to learn, master, and then lead peyote ceremonies or anything but its at least very likely you'll have an "in" if you need one soon. If this is something important enough for your bucket list, then if I find myself in a position where I can help make participating possible, I will try to help. Keep in touch and ill keep you in the loop, but again I'm far from in a position to help or guide at all right now. As Man Found Standing was telling me, I need to reach integrity and harmony with myself before I can help others (we discussed both my problems and ambitions of helping others through technology and being there for people, etc. an that prompted this very valid point).

I'm at work and need to get back to it but thanks for your advice Caterpillar and SeriouslyTrippin; ill reply to you on break Caterpillar!


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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: st1llnox]
    #19278773 - 12/15/13 11:03 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Seriously Tripping, if you feel you want or need healing through a Peyote ceremony, James "Flaming Eagle" Mooney was appointed to be a pipe carrier at age 47 but (and here's where we white folk cross in to all this), he was charged to never turn away anyone who seeks medicine and healing regardless of race, beliefs, creed, gender, sexuality, etc.

I don't want to get ahead of myself but I also think there's a really, really good chance I'm going to become a member and Medicine Man. I'm not sure if I will ever be or feel called to learn, master, and then lead peyote ceremonies or anything but its at least very likely you'll have an "in" if you need one soon. If this is something important enough for your bucket list, then if I find myself in a position where I can help make participating possible, I will try to help. Keep in touch and ill keep you in the loop, but again I'm far from in a position to help or guide at all right now. As Man Found Standing was telling me, I need to reach integrity and harmony with myself before I can help others (we discussed both my problems and ambitions of helping others through technology and being there for people, etc. an that prompted this very valid point).

I'm at work and need to get back to it but thanks for your advice Caterpillar and SeriouslyTrippin; ill reply to you on break Caterpillar!



Thank you so much, I cant even explain how much this is important to me. I feel like it's the spiritual experience I've been craving for since an early teenager.However good things happen to people who wait and If you could arrange something at some point I'd be grateful. I just have studied the works of Aldous Huxley and Terrance Mckenna and have had a lot of spiritual trips but sometimes they seem more recreational then spiritual and I want to reach harmony with myself, that's the psychedelic dragon i have been chasin for 2 years on and off.


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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #19281079 - 12/15/13 08:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)


That video just really seemed appropriate for this thread.  I sincerely hope this group of people ends up being sincere and nobody ends up trying to push bullshit on anyone else.
Stillnox I hope this works out for you.  I've watched your posts for a while and I really hope you find a way out of your parents house.  Most of all I hope you find a way to support yourself out there.  The bar tending gig is a great one giving you get the right crowd.
Honestly though good vibes :wizard: I could only imagine what taking that amazing chemical among the natives' culture must be like.  It seems a noble purpose, I really hope I get to meet the right people to do this.  Good luck sir! :thumbup:


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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #19281267 - 12/15/13 08:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Thank you so much... Deeply. I finally don't just hope things are turning around; I am actually aware I have the power to.

They seem sincere, and that's probably an understatement. The Chiefs brother that might have been represented in that dream just got back from 40 days in the Amazon.

I am also confident they're not just a drug protection group as they have many Mormons, [orthodox] Catholics, etc. that practice but do not participate in any entheogens whatsoever.

I'm saving your video to watch while I am on my first ever taste of Shrooms tonight :sun:

And thanks so much again... That means a lot to me and I really feel clear about my path and feel I am being realistic like with bartending to move out, etc. I'll be starting a journal on here soon I think, for my sake and to share as I make my own path and especially discover more about the NAC and what role I'm to play (and that they're to play in my new life). Good vibes your way brother :smile:


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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: st1llnox]
    #19282067 - 12/16/13 01:03 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Green Arrow, I had no idea what that video was going to be and during my first little shrooms trip, me and a friend went to this lake behind a church flanked by forest and I fired up that song and BOOM, instantly realize it's an incredibly significant song from my past. Hearing that brought back a lot of memories and feelings and with a psychedelic profundity I'd never experienced before.

Also, before everyone +0's me in my first trip thread, I want to go on record here that I was trolling that shrooms "Are no DXM" but that was so freaking funny (or maybe it's the tail end of these cubenses) that I decided not to give any indication of trollery :datass:


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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: st1llnox]
    #19282623 - 12/16/13 06:52 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Green Arrow, I had no idea what that video was going to be and during my first little shrooms trip, me and a friend went to this lake behind a church flanked by forest and I fired up that song and BOOM, instantly realize it's an incredibly significant song from my past. Hearing that brought back a lot of memories and feelings and with a psychedelic profundity I'd never experienced before.

Also, before everyone +0's me in my first trip thread, I want to go on record here that I was trolling that shrooms "Are no DXM" but that was so freaking funny (or maybe it's the tail end of these cubenses) that I decided not to give any indication of trollery :datass:



Wow I'm really glad you ended up trying some cubies man.  I'm glad that you had a good trip in the end.  Make sure that if you didn't this time, next time get some :nitrous: to huff during the peaks.  Dont question it, just trust me on this one, I promise you will thank me. :datass:  Also if your thinking about the shamanistic aspect of things, and you really liked that video.  Look into protentiating your trip next time with syrain rue seeds, harmala helps bring the visions you see into focus.  Almost like a different lens for a microscope or camera.:zoom:
But it is true though, huh?  Psilocin blows DXM outta the water.Sushi and Spiderbites.Check out my trip playlist.  You may find some absolute gems on there.


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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: st1llnox]
    #19282649 - 12/16/13 07:10 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Well, now I've got something else to add to my bucket list.

Interesting thread!

Having read this, I'm even more excited for you now, st1ll!


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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: Into The Woods] * 1
    #19283855 - 12/16/13 01:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Mescaline is the trip of all trips


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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: plektheplek]
    #19283993 - 12/16/13 01:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

thanks again, Woods! :zomgzomgzomg: Maybe an arbitrarily-large dose of mescaline is just what the doctor (should have) ordered :lol:

I bet, plek, although Ayahuasca's gotta be pretty fucking intense too.


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Re: Native American Church -- Peyote-Dosing Shaman Stoners In My State [Re: st1llnox] * 1
    #19284030 - 12/16/13 01:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

IMO, OP needs religion just as much as he needs heroin...


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