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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Blau]
    #19283785 - 12/16/13 12:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

well here is the problem with your meat causes cancer theory... much like the gluten causes allergies theory.

people have been eating meat and wheat for much, much longer periods of time than a perceived "explosion" of these maladies have.

now, if you were to propose a theory in which the increase of meat in our diets, or the processing, or GMO's.... any reason which doesn't massively predate the epidemic then I wouldn't have a derisive objection.


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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #19283814 - 12/16/13 01:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

the human body literally is not built to thrive on a diet based in animal protein. again, looking at our teeth, we have flat, grinding teeth. our jaws can move laterally, as herbivores' jaws do. our intestines are considerably longer than our bodies, and considerably longer than the intestines of animals naturally inclined to a diet based in animal protein. why is this? because meat rots when it sits in the gut; these carnivorous animals have to push it out much faster than we'd need to get rid of plant matter. when we have meat and eggs in our system, it turns our bodies acidic. our bones leech out calcium to balance our pH; this leads to bone disease. not going to touch all of the bowel problems attributed to a diet based in animal protein, the research is easy to find.


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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Blau]
    #19283928 - 12/16/13 01:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

my stepdad and my good friends mom were both degree'd nutritionists. I asked both of them if you could only eat one thing for the rest of your life, what would the best food be?
they both answered #1 was breast milk.
but #2 was eggs.

I have read that missive about how herbivores have 13x the intestinal length of their body, while carnivores have 3x, but humans have on average 8x, which would be right in the middle.

why are we incapable of digesting cellulose?


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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #19284474 - 12/16/13 03:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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so if you got cancer you would be fine with just smoking weed?



In huge amounts :lol: Better use hemp oil, it seems.


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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #19285610 - 12/16/13 07:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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why are we incapable of digesting cellulose?





We lack both the enzymes to do so and a suitable digestive organ that would allow bacteria to do the job for us.


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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: johnm214]
    #19285649 - 12/16/13 07:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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why are we incapable of digesting cellulose?





We lack both the enzymes to do so and a suitable digestive organ that would allow bacteria to do the job for us.




that was my point.


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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Icelander]
    #19287034 - 12/17/13 03:41 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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just live long enough and - cancer.  But lifestyle for sure, emotional and physical very likely both will have an effect.  I made it over 60. That's pretty amazing really. But from this point on the quality of life will likely (is) decline dramatically.  Living long without some sort of miracle drug to reintroduce youth into the aging body is a sad deal.

Sad I say. :curbyourenthusiasm:

Fucking sad. :haha:

Laughably sad. :nicesmile:




Anabolic steroids!

--Improves quality and number of muscle fibers, including of the heart.
--Improves bone density and strength.
--Improves vascular strength.

in tiny dosages.

Courtesy of the life-extensionist party.:crazy:


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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Beanhead]
    #19287060 - 12/17/13 04:00 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The cure existed before the poison.. They didnt know what it was and forgot.. yet now have discovered and tries to hide it..


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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Blau]
    #19287082 - 12/17/13 04:17 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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cancer is more often than not a direct result of one's diet. the human species didn't start getting diseases like cancer, heart disease, stroke, and bone disease until we started eating the flesh of animals. our bodies were not made to, and that is precisely why the human body, after a certain point, is seemingly guaranteed to just start showing signs of serious illness. it's who we're eating.





This is pure unsubstantiated nonsense.  :lol:

My family tree has always been long lived (85-100) year old meat eaters and very healthy until the very end days.  All major meat eaters.  I worked in the natural foods industry for over 20 years and the sickest lot of them all were the strict vegan/vegetarians.

The problem is mostly grains and that we feed grains to meat instead of letting them eat grass that is high in Omega 3s. Grass fed meat is very good for you.


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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Icelander]
    #19291823 - 12/18/13 04:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I agree with the OP. Cancer is a symptom of a much larger problem - Our modern lifestyles.  Anything that weakens the immune system leads to an increased risk of cancer and the problem is there are so many "little" things that we are exposed to everyday.  Unbalanced diets, fast food, processed food, chemical additives like aspartame, lack of exercise, stress, drugs, hormones, pollution.

An article in a major British newspaper today reported a study that has found people living around areas where fracking takes place are likely to be exposed to chemicals that alter hormones and can cause cancer and birth defects.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/10520735/Fracking-chemicals-could-cause-infertility-cancer-and-birth-defects.html&nbsp;

Anyone who's ever had affordable dental work done is probably carrying round a mouthful of mercury. It may not seem like a problem on it's own, but it's just one of those things that weakens the immune system just a little bit more. 

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The problem is mostly grains and that we feed grains to meat instead of letting them eat grass that is high in Omega 3s. Grass fed meat is very good for you.




Yep. The grains are what we have added to our diet in recent years, not meat! A lot of people are gluten intolerant because our bodies do find wheat hard to break down, especially if the body is already weakened in some way. I basically follow the paleo diet at the moment which is low carb, meat, vegetables, nuts and seeds etc with no grains. That is what our ancestors would have eaten (or pretty similar!).


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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: PocketLady]
    #19291915 - 12/18/13 05:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I agree with the OP. Cancer is a symptom of a much larger problem - Our modern lifestyles.  Anything that weakens the immune system leads to an increased risk of cancer and the problem is there are so many "little" things that we are exposed to everyday.  Unbalanced diets, fast food, processed food, chemical additives like aspartame
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Within a few years after aspartame was finally (third time with Rumsfeld a charm) approved, brain cancer went up significantly.  Now watch the shills on here tow the party line and advise me why aspartame is not bad.  They will use the same bullshit that was used by GD Searle 30 years ago, it's partly a "harmless" amino acid, blah blah blah.  Yes and it's partly methyl ester, and methanol is clearly a toxin. 



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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #19292499 - 12/18/13 09:21 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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just live long enough and - cancer.




^^This .  Cancer is a direct result of our modern lifestyle, specifically our increased lifespans.  I think cancer will similarly be cured as part of the ongoing effort to increase lifespans even further.  Nanotechnology comes to mind a way to efficiently target only cancerous tissue for destruction, leaving very minimal side effects.  It's also possible that the efforts to eliminate genetic aging may reveal a way to shut off whatever processes cause cancer in the first place.  Of course, this is assuming that we all make it that far as a technological society.  If we do, I think cancer will be relatively easy.


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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Mr Person]
    #19292527 - 12/18/13 09:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'll be gone.  But staying here is not that interesting anymore unless with some really nice drugs.  If they could find a way to make it so you wouldn't build tolerance to drugs and eliminate side effects then I'd be interested in sticking around as long as my financial resources held out.  Lots of ifs I'm afraid.


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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Icelander]
    #19295120 - 12/18/13 08:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You wouldn't even need drugs when you can just stimulate the relevant areas of the brain.  Might still be side effects though, just different. You never know though.  If people like Ray Kurzweil are to be believed it could still happen in your lifetime. 

I'm not sure if he's updated his theories or not recently but last I heard he was saying we could hit a singularity by 2015 at the earliest.  Due to the supposedly exponential rate of progress it has a way of sneaking up on you then exploding right at the very end.


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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Mr Person]
    #19296427 - 12/19/13 03:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'm ready for the brave new world. :satansmoking:  Or an asteriod. :shrug:


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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Icelander]
    #19296698 - 12/19/13 05:58 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Icelander]
    #19319874 - 12/24/13 06:53 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I have my suspicions your gas tank and Kraptom and just more shields. A feeling of heroic bravery I myself utilize.

A safe procrastination.


Edited by Jaegar (12/24/13 06:54 AM)


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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Jaegar]
    #19319882 - 12/24/13 06:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I have my suspicions your gas tank and Kraptom and just more shields. A feeling of heroic bravery I myself utilize.

A safe procrastination.




Kraptom lol.


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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #19320324 - 12/24/13 09:49 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I don't believe cancer is genetic...




It certainly is genetic, damaged genes are exactly what causes cancer. And carcinogens damage genes, this is how lifestyle factors contribute to cancer.

I guess you mean it's not always hereditary. Some people are genetically predisposed to certain types of cancer, they are born with certain mutations which may or may not lead to the formation of cancers - but the fact they have these mutations already means their potentially cancerous cells have a head-start. We all have the potential to develop cancer, it's just a case of being exposed to enough carcinogens to sufficiently damage your DNA, i.e. living long enough. These carcinogens exist throughout nature, although it seems evident that we're being exposed to more of them and new man-made ones in advanced industrial societies.

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Eventually we'll take every disease and disorder out of the human genome. So I think that you're right in a way, but that the way in which you're right will become irrelevant over time.




I agree. The manipulation of the human genome will eliminate the threat of cancer. It would be foolish to bet against this happening eventually imo.


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Re: i don't think cancer will ever be cured [Re: Libertin]
    #19320383 - 12/24/13 10:04 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I don't believe cancer is genetic...




It certainly is genetic, damaged genes are exactly what causes cancer. And carcinogens damage genes, this is how lifestyle factors contribute to cancer.

I guess you mean it's not always hereditary. Some people are genetically predisposed to certain types of cancer, they are born with certain mutations which may or may not lead to the formation of cancers - but the fact they have these mutations already means their potentially cancerous cells have a head-start. We all have the potential to develop cancer, it's just a case of being exposed to enough carcinogens to sufficiently damage your DNA, i.e. living long enough. These carcinogens exist throughout nature, although it seems evident that we're being exposed to more of them and new man-made ones in advanced industrial societies.

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Eventually we'll take every disease and disorder out of the human genome. So I think that you're right in a way, but that the way in which you're right will become irrelevant over time.




I agree. The manipulation of the human genome will eliminate the threat of cancer. It would be foolish to bet against this happening eventually imo.




What's more foolish is to imagine that somehow the PTB will want cancer cured.  When you have genes "patented" for breast cancer and only one company can make the miracle cure based on that, do you think they would give away the Golden Goose?

If so, grow up.


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