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iSmokeTrees420


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Getting Started with an Experienced n00b
#19283907 - 12/16/13 01:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Experienced n00b, is that even possible? Yes, I am it. I have never grown these little buddies but have done my share of reading on this forum and several books in addition to once being a "premier" cultivator of herbs (growing something should help right?). I have the following books, "Mushroom Cultivator-A Practical Guide to Growing Mushrooms at Home-Paul Stamets and J. S. Chilton", "Growing Gourmet and Medicinal Mushrooms-Paul Stamets" and a few other lesser known titles. I am not blindly jumping into this operation, but I only have limited knowledge.
I have limited space due to living in employee housing and need to keep this under wraps as best as possible so I will be buying as much premade stuff as possible. I've read plenty of threads on this site, but none were quite like my situation. I live at 7800 feet with an ambient inside temperature of 74.
I am looking at 4qt Spawn Jars and Manure and using Mystery Pack. I know everyone has their preference, I just thought trying a little diversity would be fun. I'm also aware you could make the grain spawn jars at home, but with limited tools and space it just isnt feasible.
For the growing chamber I was looking at constructing Basic Growing Chamber. I have an old army footlocker that I was planning on doing all this in as it can be locked, will be undisturbed and dark when it needs to be. I was also planning on buying some fish fluorescent lights (for the 480nm blue and 6500k) so it can be in my locked box safely. I would be using the fish pump method for humidy.
While I dont expect spectacular results the first go round, I need enough to keep me with a steady supply as I like to explore my mind once a month or so. Due to limited space I was planning on only inoculating one jar at a time until it was no longer producing, then onto the next! Will my spore syringe be viable if I dont use it immediately? Or should I do all 4 at the same time, then just place them in different location in the growing chamber? Since the jars are sterilized before hand and I can keep the manure in my fridge I'm not so worried about storing those for awhile.
The proposed foot locker box is approx 18in tall, 18in deep, and 3.5/4 feet long. It is pressed wood so I would like to lay poly all around to keep contaminants out and keep moisture in, although a glass lid on the growing chamber would likely accomplish this as well.
This is where input is helpful. Has anyone used any of these products with success? Or, are there any ways I could improve my yield given my constraints listed above? I am going to go get the growing chamber supplies soon as snow is heading my way and I fear I will be trapped on the mountain for awhile (darn Camry). Also, no one happens to know a place in NV that sells LC without having to mail out for it?
Thanks in advance for not being a smartass and helping a shroom enthusiast on their first batch. I'll be doing some picts and a writeup once I get underway.
-------------------- Hank: Dale, get down here before someone gets hurt. Dale Gribble: Too late. I killed Shackleford! [the police gasp] Dale Gribble: No, no, correction - Shackleford wants a pizza.
Edited by iSmokeTrees420 (12/16/13 05:11 PM)
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silverstem
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Re: Getting Started with an Experienced n00b [Re: iSmokeTrees420]
#19283950 - 12/16/13 01:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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your gonna have problems maintaining FAE.. a 2 liter bottle is not recommended as a FC.. you dont need 3 syringes for 1 jar. 1 jar is not recommended for first timer. this is mainly because spore syringes contain mold spores because the fruits that produced the spores are more then likely to be fruited in open air. goodluck on your cultivation. i hope you change everything that you mentioned in your post because all experienced cultivators on this site will not agree with your methods.
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iSmokeTrees420


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Re: Getting Started with an Experienced n00b [Re: silverstem]
#19284153 - 12/16/13 02:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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So what is it that you recommend? I'm open for any advice that will help me with my endeavors. I know it is tough given my constraints, but I'm sure its been done in worse conditions.
I would only use 2cc (or so) of each syringe per jar, so I would have a nice mixture of different types with plenty left over for future grows. And the jars are airtight, so wouldnt it limit growth of unwanted organisms? only once it was transferred to the growing chamber would it be exposed to air. Would the bag method then be ideal for this situation?
-------------------- Hank: Dale, get down here before someone gets hurt. Dale Gribble: Too late. I killed Shackleford! [the police gasp] Dale Gribble: No, no, correction - Shackleford wants a pizza.
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Re: Getting Started with an Experienced n00b [Re: iSmokeTrees420]
#19284180 - 12/16/13 02:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Why use three diffrent syringes per jar? That won't accomplish you nothing but possibly problems. Stick to one strain per jar.
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iSmokeTrees420


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Re: Getting Started with an Experienced n00b [Re: iSmokeTrees420]
#19284182 - 12/16/13 02:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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And the FC would be a 5-10 gallon fish tank, not a 2L bottle. Not making the poor man's terrarium. Im making the basic edition. I want to keep reusing as much as possible as I plan on doing this for some time. I'm up for other ideas in that department too. I have only done reading on this topic, no real world experience so I can only go on what I've seen, not what ive done.
-------------------- Hank: Dale, get down here before someone gets hurt. Dale Gribble: Too late. I killed Shackleford! [the police gasp] Dale Gribble: No, no, correction - Shackleford wants a pizza.
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iSmokeTrees420


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Re: Getting Started with an Experienced n00b [Re: iSmokeTrees420]
#19284200 - 12/16/13 02:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yes. 4 jars, 4 strains. 1 per jar. I'm not that much of a n00b.
As Chris Carter says "C'mon Man"
-------------------- Hank: Dale, get down here before someone gets hurt. Dale Gribble: Too late. I killed Shackleford! [the police gasp] Dale Gribble: No, no, correction - Shackleford wants a pizza.
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Re: Getting Started with an Experienced n00b [Re: iSmokeTrees420]
#19284217 - 12/16/13 02:30 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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fish tanks are not good for fc's you need FAE... for your area may i suggest a small tote or maybe even a pitcher... make a mini sgfc.
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iSmokeTrees420


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Re: Getting Started with an Experienced n00b [Re: silverstem]
#19284301 - 12/16/13 02:42 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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-------------------- Hank: Dale, get down here before someone gets hurt. Dale Gribble: Too late. I killed Shackleford! [the police gasp] Dale Gribble: No, no, correction - Shackleford wants a pizza.
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Re: Getting Started with an Experienced n00b [Re: iSmokeTrees420]
#19284356 - 12/16/13 02:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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yes boss. except elevate the sgfc. so its not on a desk or flat surface. also i wouldnt recommend keeping it in anything.. its needs open air for fae.. stealth and mycology dont mix very well..
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iSmokeTrees420


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Re: Getting Started with an Experienced n00b [Re: silverstem]
#19284480 - 12/16/13 03:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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They only do housing inspections once a month with ample notice, so it would just need to able to hide away when the time comes for that. And these seem like they could easily be placed away for that one day a month.
As far as the grain jars from Out-grow, use those (1 strain per jar) and then transfer to the mini FC's using manure (since it comes in the package) instead of perlite once its fully colonized? How long with the syringes stay viable for? I have a fridge and freezer at my disposal. Just put a couple holes on the bottom of the FC, set on a metal mesh screen and elevate it so allow air flow? Or does it need to be slanted to assist in drainage or something?
Can't wait to have my own place again so i can cultivate what I choose when I choose....corporations come in and buy up places and switch up the whole program on ya.
And thanks for the tips!
-------------------- Hank: Dale, get down here before someone gets hurt. Dale Gribble: Too late. I killed Shackleford! [the police gasp] Dale Gribble: No, no, correction - Shackleford wants a pizza.
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Re: Getting Started with an Experienced n00b [Re: iSmokeTrees420]
#19285059 - 12/16/13 05:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Follow the teks, you can't go wrong. No substitutions means no surprises.....well, maybe some surprises lol. Pull up a SGFC tek in the searchbar. Start small, get some practical skills, then move up the ladder.
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Re: Getting Started with an Experienced n00b [Re: 1down5up]
#19285447 - 12/16/13 06:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
As far as the grain jars from Out-grow, use those (1 strain per jar) and then transfer to the mini FC's using manure (since it comes in the package) instead of perlite once its fully colonized? How long with the syringes stay viable for? I have a fridge and freezer at my disposal. Just put a couple holes on the bottom of the FC, set on a metal mesh screen and elevate it so allow air flow? Or does it need to be slanted to assist in drainage or something?
I'm losing you here - it sounds like you're thinking of substituting perlite in a SGFC for manure?
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iSmokeTrees420


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Re: Getting Started with an Experienced n00b [Re: mycomattie]
#19285660 - 12/16/13 07:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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yes. thats what im thinking.
-------------------- Hank: Dale, get down here before someone gets hurt. Dale Gribble: Too late. I killed Shackleford! [the police gasp] Dale Gribble: No, no, correction - Shackleford wants a pizza.
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Re: Getting Started with an Experienced n00b [Re: iSmokeTrees420]
#19285673 - 12/16/13 07:54 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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dont do that...
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Re: Getting Started with an Experienced n00b [Re: silverstem]
#19287204 - 12/17/13 05:13 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Dude, you should abandon all ideas you have about what you're going to do, and read some teks on here. They've been tried and tested by many members and once you read them through, they will make perfect sense to you, especially since you have all that background knowledge. Even so, the knowledge you have from reading has nothing on experience. Learn from others experience. It will save you alot of frustration. Also, when you run into problems and start asking for help, you're going to get the same thing over and over...you should've followed the tek.
A common mistake for all new cultivators is changing methods because they think they know better. I resisted the urge to do it, and it worked out pretty good for me.
I'm sending some good vibes your way...good luck
-------------------- ~~Everything is relative~~ A Simplified Overview of Mushroom Cultivation Strategies - RR says - EvilMushroom666's Take on BRF Cakes - Frank's list of goodies - Cronicr's Goodies No one is placed higher than another no matter race or creed or gender, we must teach forgiveness and compassion for all life. J.L.
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