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Steathly SGFC?
    #19283746 - 12/16/13 12:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

So, Ive read a lot about this famous SGFC, and im ready to make one.

However, i want to make a steathly one I can put in my small closet.

One idea i had was a double SGFC where i put one inside another but i think that would defeat the purpose of the SGFC.
do u guys have any ideas to make a steathly one?

Basically, I want to have the double SGFC so i can hide the light, a CFL, inside a black tupperwear container with SGFC holes then have a clear SGFC on the inside that has my cakes.

Any suggestions?

Trying to keep it Secret
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Re: Steathly SGFC? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #19283819 - 12/16/13 01:04 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Unfortunately, stealth and mycology are not good companions. Putting a SGFC in a small space will disrupt the natural air flow, thus reducing FAE and RH


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Re: Steathly SGFC? [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #19284175 - 12/16/13 02:23 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Hmmmm, that sucks.

How about a fan that pumps air into the small space?
would that work?


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Re: Steathly SGFC? [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #19284197 - 12/16/13 02:27 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Unfortunately, stealth and mycology are not good companions.




:whathesaid:
i'd look into truffles


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Re: Steathly SGFC? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #19284205 - 12/16/13 02:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

not really. A fan would mess up the natural air currants.

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Principle of operation

A properly made SGFC uses natural air currents to create high relative humidity (RH) and constant fresh air exchange (FAE).

The fresh air that flows in through the bottom holes rises up through the damp perlite assisting in evaporation. This evaporation is where you get your humidity.

Because humid air rises, it flows up and out the other holes, thus allowing more fresh air in through the bottom. This is how you get constant FAE without sacrificing humidity.

Some Things to Consider

The SGFC must not sit directly on a flat surface. It needs to be elevated. If not elevated, air can't flow in through the bottom and the whole system breaks down.

Running a fan in the room with your SGFC will also disrupt the natural currents.




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Re: Steathly SGFC? [Re: SpitballJedi] * 1
    #19284262 - 12/16/13 02:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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not really. A fan would mess up the natural air currants.

Basic Principles of the SGFC
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SpitballJedi said:
Principle of operation

A properly made SGFC uses natural air currents to create high relative humidity (RH) and constant fresh air exchange (FAE).

The fresh air that flows in through the bottom holes rises up through the damp perlite assisting in evaporation. This evaporation is where you get your humidity.

Because humid air rises, it flows up and out the other holes, thus allowing more fresh air in through the bottom. This is how you get constant FAE without sacrificing humidity.

Some Things to Consider

The SGFC must not sit directly on a flat surface. It needs to be elevated. If not elevated, air can't flow in through the bottom and the whole system breaks down.

Running a fan in the room with your SGFC will also disrupt the natural currents.







My SGFC is in a hollowed out portable dishwasher.  I have a small computer fan blowing air (slightly)out the bottom of the dishwasher to allow for air exchange.

These were grown in such a build:



So, I would have to disagree that a confined space SGFC isn't worth trying.  BTW, pans are supposed to be less forgiving than cubes as far as FAE.  :thumbup:


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Re: Steathly SGFC? [Re: MacMerdin]
    #19284273 - 12/16/13 02:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

pmp's will probly be your best bet, and nice fucking stuff mac!


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Re: Steathly SGFC? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #19284283 - 12/16/13 02:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I would definitely look into sclerota.

Enclosing a light and stuff in a tub could make it get too hot and enclosing it all would hinder FAE.

Look up a PMP

or cultivate sclerota.

IMO the sclerota is the better route.

Good luck.


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Re: Steathly SGFC? [Re: cronicr]
    #19284327 - 12/16/13 02:46 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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and nice fucking stuff mac!




Thanks.  I think I got lucky with how the air currents work in my set-up.  It is definitely not recommended but can be done as shown by my success.  Take care all and good luck.  :thumbup:


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Re: Steathly SGFC? [Re: MacMerdin]
    #19284454 - 12/16/13 03:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

read here.

If you can make a dishwasher or tub work then :thumbup: but for the most part most things have been tried and no one has found a really good replicable(and cost effective) solution for a "stealthy" SGFC.

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Re: Steathly SGFC? [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19284857 - 12/16/13 04:31 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

One thing I can say does happen with my setup is that I have to rehydrate the perlite every 7-10 days instead of every few weeks. 

But that's just a matter of putting the SGFC (cakes and all) in the tub and filling the tub up to the perlite level and draining.  A pretty good trade off for some stealthiness IMO. 

Take care.  :thumbup:


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Re: Steathly SGFC? [Re: MacMerdin]
    #19285184 - 12/16/13 05:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Steathly SGFC? [Re: MacMerdin]
    #19286035 - 12/16/13 09:19 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Thats a really cool FC McMerdin. Very clever. If I get a hold of a portable dishwasher, I will try that out.

But seeing your FC Mac, this looks promising. Just need some electronics to help with the FAE.

Here's my idea, just drew it up. Not sure if I should put shotgun holes in the outer FC, if that would help much.



Any thoughts on the drawing?

Thanks MS Paint
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Re: Steathly SGFC? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #19286069 - 12/16/13 09:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

if anything you're going to want to point the fan away from your sgfc because it will dry out your sub/cake pretty fast:thumbdown: as for the setup it doesnt look to promising :shrug: maybe if you droped the second tub and just put all that stuff in the closet.


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Re: Steathly SGFC? [Re: kinkaku]
    #19287046 - 12/17/13 03:51 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Thanks for the compliments.

Nice drawing.  It looks like you would be close to having a PMP (poor man's pod) which might be a better solution for you since you are already planning on the airstone.  Maybe look into the PMP and see if you like that method. 

Or a monotub might work for you.  Good luck.  :thumbup:


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Re: Steathly SGFC? [Re: MacMerdin]
    #19288367 - 12/17/13 12:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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One thing I can say does happen with my setup is that I have to rehydrate the perlite every 7-10 days instead of every few weeks. 

But that's just a matter of putting the SGFC (cakes and all) in the tub and filling the tub up to the perlite level and draining.  A pretty good trade off for some stealthiness IMO. 

Take care.  :thumbup:



Why do you go through all that trouble? Just mist the perlite heavily when you mist everything.


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Re: Steathly SGFC? [Re: TrentBoyett]
    #19288515 - 12/17/13 01:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quit trying to reinvent the wheel, save yourself a ton of money, and build a monotub.

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Basically, I want to have the double SGFC so i can hide the light, a CFL, inside a black tupperwear container with SGFC holes then have a clear SGFC on the inside that has my cakes.




So you want to risk burning your whole house down for a half ounce yield at best?

If you honestly have to be this stealthy, then you probably shouldn't be growing..where are you going to dry out your harvest? How are you going to explain yourself to your parents/roomies/whatever when they walk in on you sterilizing your substrate in the kitchen?


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Re: Steathly SGFC? [Re: redflackal]
    #19289137 - 12/17/13 03:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

^^^^  What he said  ^^^^

But, I myself use my SGFC in stealth mode because I live in a condo where if an emergency happens they can come in when I'm at work.  So no worries about cooking anything or drying and such.  :thumbup:

As far as the OP, he/she may have other reasons.

But, I reiterate, a monotub or pmp is probably the OPs better choices here.

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Why do you go through all that trouble? Just mist the perlite heavily when you mist everything.




It must be that I have broken both wrists in the past and find that that much misting tires them out.  It's just easier to chuck the tub in the tub and turn the water on.  :thumbup:


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